THE QUEEN ......needs to go elsewhere.

[Ben Wyatt]

I've never been a huge Charlotte fan, but I always understood her value.  However, I think she's hit a point now where she's got nothing to really offer anymore.  There's nothing compelling about her from a character standpoint. She's accomplished everything there is kayfabe-wise (except winning MITB). Her in-ring work has dipped dramatically.  Summerslam wasn't all on her, but she looked like she was moving in quicksand and her boo boo face is something even Sasha would have found over-the-top. 

Gotta wonder if she'd benefit from going to AEW, Japan, Impact....anywhere else. 

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Charlotte in AEW is putting an evil on me so strong I will need to call several exorcists to my house

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 7, 2023 11:45:00 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Charlotte in AEW is putting an evil on me so strong I will need to call several exorcists to my house

I got it. NWA! Have her wrestle for Billy Boy

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

It honestly feels like we're reaching that point with the four horsewomen in general. Becky's off mostly feuding with legends these days, Bayley's doing her best to get Iyo and Dakota over and Charlotte just seems like she's run out of juice. I suspect 2024-2025 WWE women's wrestling is going to be way different in terms of lead characters.

[Renslayer]

Aug 7, 2023 11:40:38 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

I've never been a huge Charlotte fan, but I always understood her value.  However, I think she's hit a point now where she's got nothing to really offer anymore.  There's nothing compelling about her from a character standpoint. She's accomplished everything there is kayfabe-wise (except winning MITB). Her in-ring work has dipped dramatically.  Summerslam wasn't all on her, but she looked like she was moving in quicksand and her boo boo face is something even Sasha would have found over-the-top. 

Gotta wonder if she'd benefit from going to AEW, Japan, Impact....anywhere else. 

Charlotte and Britt baker is a deeply hilarious combination for a variety of reasons and now I wanna see it 😅😅

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 7, 2023 11:53:53 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

It honestly feels like we're reaching that point with the four horsewomen in general. Becky's off mostly feuding with legends these days, Bayley's doing her best to get Iyo and Dakota over and Charlotte just seems like she's run out of juice. I suspect 2024-2025 WWE women's wrestling is going to be way different in terms of lead characters.

Eh, 'least with the other 2, you have directions to go with them. Charlotte's booking and only character motivation has been "Me want title/Me defend title". She's never really had a blood feud, especially a non title one

[Fade]

Nah, she’s bound to still be one of the premier ladies. I agree the character and motivations can be dreadful but I think her biggest moment(s) are yet to come.

Don’t know contract details, but whenever it’s up, I wouldn’t completely rule out a jump to AEW. Not at all. But they’d probably have to break the bank for her.

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 7, 2023 12:00:44 GMT -5 Fade said:

Nah, she’s bound to still be one of the premier ladies. I agree the character and motivations can be dreadful but I think her biggest moment(s) are yet to come.

Don’t know contract details, but whenever it’s up, I wouldn’t completely rule out a jump to AEW. Not at all. But they’d probably have to break the bank for her.

What other big moments are there?

[XIII]

I think that Charlotte has one foot out of the door honestly. Between her doing bodybuilding competitions, constantly taking months off at a time, and how little effort she has put in during her latest return just screams that she is ready for a long sabbatical from wrestling in general.

We’ll see, but I’d just send her to Raw to put Rhea over again and that’s about it at the moment.

I’m sure that Khaaaaaaan would try to bring her in, but Adding Charlotte to the AEW women would be like pouring gasoline on a fire IMO.

[Legion]

Aug 7, 2023 12:03:46 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

Aug 7, 2023 12:00:44 GMT -5 Fade said:

Nah, she’s bound to still be one of the premier ladies. I agree the character and motivations can be dreadful but I think her biggest moment(s) are yet to come.

Don’t know contract details, but whenever it’s up, I wouldn’t completely rule out a jump to AEW. Not at all. But they’d probably have to break the bank for her.

What other big moments are there?

Breaking her dad's record.

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 7, 2023 12:12:05 GMT -5 Legion said:

Aug 7, 2023 12:03:46 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

What other big moments are there?

Breaking her dad's record.

14 main roster reigns in 8 years.  That's asinine

[RadcapRadsley]

Aug 7, 2023 12:12:01 GMT -5 XIII said:

I think that Charlotte has one foot out of the door honestly. Between her doing bodybuilding competitions, constantly taking months off at a time, and how little effort she has put in during her latest return just screams that she is ready for a long sabbatical from wrestling in general.

We’ll see, but I’d just send her to Raw to put Rhea over again and that’s about it at the moment.

I’m sure that Khaaaaaaan would try to bring her in, but Adding Charlotte to the AEW women would be like pouring gasoline on a fire IMO.

The only question I have now about whether someone goes to AEW is how will it effect Toni Storm's Norma Desmondesque new charecter. And honestly Charlotte in AEW might be the kind of torture that charecter needs.

[theironyuppie]

It's tricky. For a while I thought the issue was that she was just being given short transitional reigns to bolster other women, but her last two reigns have been fairly long and still weren't memorable as a whole. The Mania match with Rhea was incredible, but nothing else she's been in this year has come remotely close. (Her other two really good matches in the last couple of years were Becky at Survivor Series 2021 and Naomi in their Smackdown main event last year. Ronda at Backlash was very entertaining, but helped by being a gimmick match.) I was thinking too that the Summerslam triple-threat focusing so much on Bianca and her 'injury' meant that we didn't really get the usual Big Match Charlotte where she makes you believe that winning the match is the most important thing in the world to her.

On the bright side, I'd argue that crowds have generally stayed strong for her in a way they haven't always for Bayley and Becky in recent times.

[BRV]

It's pretty clear they're just biding their time to get her to 16 championship reigns, just like her father, but when you look back on both her victories and reigns, have any of them been memorable? And on top of that, of her 14 championship reigns, six have lasted less than a month, including three that lasted less than a week.

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 7, 2023 12:40:47 GMT -5 BRV said:

It's pretty clear they're just biding their time to get her to 16 championship reigns, just like her father, but when you look back on both her victories and reigns, have any of them been memorable? And on top of that, of her 14 championship reigns, six have lasted less than a month, including three that lasted less than a week.

Nevermind a memorable defense, name me a memorable feud she had that *wasn't* for a title. Ok, how about this: name me a title feud she had that was anything close to good? Maybe Becky's failed heel turn? That's one out of 8 or so years on the roster. 

The other part is that she desperately needs to alter her moveset, including scaling back her moonsault of doom to the outside. That thing looks crappy far more often than not these days

[theironyuppie]

Aug 7, 2023 13:04:48 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

Aug 7, 2023 12:40:47 GMT -5 BRV said:

It's pretty clear they're just biding their time to get her to 16 championship reigns, just like her father, but when you look back on both her victories and reigns, have any of them been memorable? And on top of that, of her 14 championship reigns, six have lasted less than a month, including three that lasted less than a week.

Nevermind a memorable defense, name me a memorable feud she had that *wasn't* for a title. Ok, how about this: name me a title feud she had that was anything close to good? Maybe Becky's failed heel turn? That's one out of 8 or so years on the roster. 

The other part is that she desperately needs to alter her moveset, including scaling back her moonsault of doom to the outside. That thing looks crappy far more often than not these days

It's good she got rid of the Andrade double moonsault, but the front flip clothesline rarely looks good either.

[Push R Truth]

They should use her like Orton (or currently Brock) or going back farther, like HBK or Undertaker. You quit booking her for title programs all the time and have her be kinda her own thing. Make her a "boss" to be defeated. Right now if somebody feuded with Charlotte and actually won the feud, it would probably feel bigger than winning a midcard title and a bit lesser than winning a world title. And that's OK.

That doesn't mean that Charlotte never gets another title match. It just creates some space and lets the scene breathe without her presence. I'd argue the same needs to happen to Roman when he finally loses the titles in 2027.

[Ben Wyatt]

Aug 7, 2023 13:37:24 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

They should use her like Orton (or currently Brock) or going back farther, like HBK or Undertaker. You quit booking her for title programs all the time and have her be kinda her own thing. Make her a "boss" to be defeated. Right now if somebody feuded with Charlotte and actually won the feud, it would probably feel bigger than winning a midcard title and a bit lesser than winning a world title. And that's OK.

That doesn't mean that Charlotte never gets another title match. It just creates some space and lets the scene breathe without her presence. I'd argue the same needs to happen to Roman when he finally loses the titles in 2027.

Right. Like I said earlier, has she ever had a feud that didn't involve the title? (I guess you can technically count Lacey before that went to hell, but I'm 95% sure one of them was going to be champ headed into that Mania). 

Have her cost a babyface the title. Have a heel take her out before one of her sabbaticals. Either way, she needs a feud based on some kind of hatred instead of "me want belt/me defend belt because me Queen"

[Sparkybob]

It's always going to be a problem when someone is pushed so fast to the top, you eventually run out of steam (sadly more of an issue for women than Men). Sheamus was able to hang around and find a niche outside of world title programs, women sadly don't have that.

Maybe a Flair/Lynch tag team run or smth is worth it.

[lildude8218]

Zelina? She can drive a tank though.