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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 7, 2023 13:48:50 GMT -5
Breaking her dad's record. 14 main roster reigns in 8 years. That's asinine It's a crazy amount of time to be on top of a division. I think it's longer than all of Austin, Rock and Foley's entire full-time WWE runs.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 7, 2023 15:03:19 GMT -5
It honestly feels like we're reaching that point with the four horsewomen in general. Becky's off mostly feuding with legends these days, Bayley's doing her best to get Iyo and Dakota over and Charlotte just seems like she's run out of juice. I suspect 2024-2025 WWE women's wrestling is going to be way different in terms of lead characters. Bianca and Rhea are definitely not going anywhere any time soon, aside from that idk, you'd think Stratton, Roxanne and Cora would be the new core group of girls they're building but the main roster sure loves ruining the momentum of any woman that isn't in immediately loved by HHH
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 7, 2023 15:34:24 GMT -5
The problem has been the same for 2-3 years. She needs time away from the title picture. And I don't mean disappearing for a couple months at a time before immediately being re-inserted into the title stuff. The second she's back it immediately goes stale again. I mean 6-12 months worth of actually being on TV and doing other stuff. Like maybe take an NXT call-up under her wing (Stratton? Roxanne?) and they can tag for a bit then one turns on the other and feud for a couple months. That's just a random idea but really anything to keep her away from the title.
All the other top women have done non-title related stuff at times but I can't remember the last time Charlotte was on TV and not either champion or challenger. Her character though (and seemingly real life too based on interviews she's done) has no interest in doing non-main event/title stuff.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Aug 7, 2023 15:55:47 GMT -5
HHH is not going to allow a Flair to sign with AEW or even be out of WWE's sights he is way too emotionally invested in the family (Ric was on the verge of an AEW appearance before DSoTR exposed his sex pest behavior but I assume that was the period when HHH's power was at its nadir).
I like the idea of her mentoring an NXT call-up. Another option is an odd couple tag-team with someone like Shotzi. I wouldn't even mind her feuding with the remaining two horsewomen as long as it wasn't for the title.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 15:58:39 GMT -5
Breaking her dad's record. 14 main roster reigns in 8 years. That's asinine
I mean, Ric had 9 reigns in the span of a decade or so and that was during the territories era.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 7, 2023 16:34:34 GMT -5
Nevermind a memorable defense, name me a memorable feud she had that *wasn't* for a title. Ok, how about this: name me a title feud she had that was anything close to good? Maybe Becky's failed heel turn? That's one out of 8 or so years on the roster. The other part is that she desperately needs to alter her moveset, including scaling back her moonsault of doom to the outside. That thing looks crappy far more often than not these days It's good she got rid of the Andrade double moonsault, but the front flip clothesline rarely looks good either. I think even Charlotte knew that moonsault to the outside at Summerslam whiffed by a mile because the one she hit on both Bianca and Asuka in the ring actually landed clean and properly for a change.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 7, 2023 17:07:21 GMT -5
She just feels like one of the most limited characters they have right now. I don't know how much is on Charlotte and how much is on the booking but there's just very little wiggle room with how she can be used right now.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 7, 2023 17:10:25 GMT -5
Charlotte really just feels like she's entirely there for the paycheck anymore. Every now and then you get her actually trying like the Rhea match but the past two or three years you can just see her staring at the calendar most of the time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 7, 2023 17:16:41 GMT -5
They should use her like Orton (or currently Brock) or going back farther, like HBK or Undertaker. You quit booking her for title programs all the time and have her be kinda her own thing. Make her a "boss" to be defeated. Right now if somebody feuded with Charlotte and actually won the feud, it would probably feel bigger than winning a midcard title and a bit lesser than winning a world title. And that's OK. That doesn't mean that Charlotte never gets another title match. It just creates some space and lets the scene breathe without her presence. I'd argue the same needs to happen to Roman when he finally loses the titles in 2027. Right. Like I said earlier, has she ever had a feud that didn't involve the title? (I guess you can technically count Lacey before that went to hell, but I'm 95% sure one of them was going to be champ headed into that Mania). Have her cost a babyface the title. Have a heel take her out before one of her sabbaticals. Either way, she needs a feud based on some kind of hatred instead of "me want belt/me defend belt because me Queen" I think it was pretty obvious that Lacey was 100% booked to beat Asuka at the Rumble before her pregancy.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 7, 2023 17:17:22 GMT -5
It honestly feels like we're reaching that point with the four horsewomen in general. Becky's off mostly feuding with legends these days, Bayley's doing her best to get Iyo and Dakota over and Charlotte just seems like she's run out of juice. I suspect 2024-2025 WWE women's wrestling is going to be way different in terms of lead characters. Eh, 'least with the other 2, you have directions to go with them. Charlotte's booking and only character motivation has been "Me want title/Me defend title". She's never really had a blood feud, especially a non title one There was a blood feud with Paige, it just really, really sucked, though most of it wasn't on Charlotte herself.
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Post by schma on Aug 7, 2023 17:29:17 GMT -5
It's crazy, she's a generational talent but I find her tiresome. All credit to her, when she's on, she's one of the best. I think people have hit the nail on the head though that she is always in the title picture. If she is not champ, she is defending. I think the only time she wasn't after one of the singles titles was when she was tag champ and even then she was still kinda after the title. Her feud with Becky was one of the best things going that year (though sadly it went way longer than it should have and ended with a whimper). Apart from that the only memorable feud I can think of was when she was trading the title with Sasha during her 'undefeated in PPVs' thing, which was silly because she kept losing on regular tv.
I remember New Day even cracking a joke about how quickly she was racking up title wins.
Someone she respects needs to take her aside and explain that it is not just about being the main event or the champion. She needs a story she can do away from the belt.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 7, 2023 17:37:30 GMT -5
It's crazy, she's a generational talent but I find her tiresome. All credit to her, when she's on, she's one of the best. I think people have hit the nail on the head though that she is always in the title picture. If she is not champ, she is defending. I think the only time she wasn't after one of the singles titles was when she was tag champ and even then she was still kinda after the title. Her feud with Becky was one of the best things going that year (though sadly it went way longer than it should have and ended with a whimper). Apart from that the only memorable feud I can think of was when she was trading the title with Sasha during her 'undefeated in PPVs' thing, which was silly because she kept losing on regular tv. I remember New Day even cracking a joke about how quickly she was racking up title wins. Someone she respects needs to take her aside and explain that it is not just about being the main event or the champion. She needs a story she can do away from the belt. Legit the only non-Rumble non-title PPV match I can recall her ever having is the one with Trish.
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Post by Legion on Aug 7, 2023 17:46:31 GMT -5
Breaking her dad's record. 14 main roster reigns in 8 years. That's asinine I never said it was a good thing, just you asked what's left. The answer is that.
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Post by bob on Aug 7, 2023 17:54:18 GMT -5
job her out for the remainder of her contract
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Post by Instant Classic on Aug 7, 2023 18:00:50 GMT -5
I’d love to see her go to AEW and win the title like how Ric did in 91 winning the WWF title.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 7, 2023 19:09:39 GMT -5
*shrugs* I still like her...
(Looks out on the horizon to see if the next "Bray Wyatt sucks" thread is looming since one usually follows the other)
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 7, 2023 19:50:36 GMT -5
Honestly, I think she's been exposed as having had that "chosen one" armour, which now feels like a millstone around her and the company's neck.
It was inevitable that she would embrace her father's legacy - all you need to do is look at her to know she's Ric's daughter. However, women's wrestling being what it's been on and off over the last 20 years, there's a bit of a Shakespeare's Sister (the Virginia Woolf passage, not the early 90s music duo) to her body of work - similar to Natalya, she's been limited somewhat by being among the best in a very mixed bag of competitors and hamstrung by having to work down to the level of lesser talents. And in both cases, they are saddled with legacies they may not have worked fully within. Yes, Nattie may have been stretched somewhat by her grandfather, but she was a daughter of a daughter in a clan from which she ended up being the only woman wrestler.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Aug 7, 2023 20:00:28 GMT -5
Honestly, I think she's been exposed as having had that "chosen one" armour, which now feels like a millstone around her and the company's neck. It was inevitable that she would embrace her father's legacy - all you need to do is look at her to know she's Ric's daughter. However, women's wrestling being what it's been on and off over the last 20 years, there's a bit of a Shakespeare's Sister (the Virginia Woolf passage, not the early 90s music duo) to her body of work - similar to Natalya, she's been limited somewhat by being among the best in a very mixed bag of competitors and hamstrung by having to work down to the level of lesser talents. And in both cases, they are saddled with legacies they may not have worked fully within. Yes, Nattie may have been stretched somewhat by her grandfather, but she was a daughter of a daughter in a clan from which she ended up being the only woman wrestler. The early 90's music duo are sooooo underrated. The fact that Siobhan Fahey left Bananarama b/c she wanted to do more with her music and then did THIS is highly commendable. Sorry for the derailment, everyone may resume shitting all over Charlotte
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 7, 2023 21:02:13 GMT -5
Breaking her dad's record. 14 main roster reigns in 8 years. That's asinine I don't like to throw around like pure, unleaded nepotism accusations. Charlotte's very talented, she definitely worked hard for what she can do and for the place she got, she was definitely a project from day one but there's no denying the effort she put in to live up to that expectation. But nobody can provide one genuine reason beyond her last name why she should have that many title reigns or why she should have that push. It can't be a big moment if all you have going for it is "Oh right because her dad did the thing yeah okay". That's meaningless. That's padding at its most egregious. Her last name is the only hook there and if she was Charlotte Smith it wouldn't even be on anyone's radar. If she's not actually worth that record, then giving her that record is utterly undeserved.
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Post by jm on Aug 7, 2023 21:08:06 GMT -5
Charlotte in AEW???
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