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Post by Chuck Conry on Aug 19, 2023 2:05:54 GMT -5
The best thing to do if they let him on TV is just to ignore it. WWE wouldn't address it until someone has to and even then I don't think something like this would be done live on TV.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 19, 2023 2:10:45 GMT -5
In New York he'd have to turn in all of his firearms. This is Florida so I don't know... maybe they give him meth and bullets >_> Meth bullets. Mullets. Well, I guess Florida already has that covered pretty well.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 19, 2023 2:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 19, 2023 2:19:59 GMT -5
The best thing to do if they let him on TV is just to ignore it. WWE wouldn't address it until someone has to and even then I don't think something like this would be done live on TV. Oh they aren't gonna bring it up if he's on TV But the crowd sure as hell will with this not being taped I also just think with everything we currently know, letting him go out there a day removed from this seems like a really bad idea.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 19, 2023 2:24:36 GMT -5
That's still identifying the gun though, isn't it? Whether I say someone is wearing an Adam Cole/MJF shirt or I just say someone was wearing a shirt with "Better Than You Baybay" written on it, I've still identified it. I think it's more like saying someone was driving a truck, when the options are car, truck, and moped. The vast majority of handgun owners own a semi automatic and the vast majority of those are black. Having the car details and video(?) is bigger. Unless Cash admits to it or there is video, with the details provided it's a weak case. Even in that instance, he still identified that Cash had a gun in the first place. The alternate hypothesis - that this dude decided to be an asshole for no apparent reason, guessed a few details about Cash and was helped by the police with the rest... feels less probable than what has been laid out.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Aug 19, 2023 3:27:21 GMT -5
The best thing to do if they let him on TV is just to ignore it. WWE wouldn't address it until someone has to and even then I don't think something like this would be done live on TV. Oh they aren't gonna bring it up if he's on TV But the crowd sure as hell will with this not being taped I also just think with everything we currently know, letting him go out there a day removed from this seems like a really bad idea. Maybe the bookers tried to keep him off the show and Cash pointed a gun at them?
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 19, 2023 4:22:07 GMT -5
There is absolutely zero chance of Edge being in AEW. I mean, come on. Maybe by All In is too soon,but I’d say it’s more likely than not he ends up in AEW soon. I could definitely see Edge eventually popping up in AEW, there’s maybe 3 or 4 people in wrestling that would shock me if they ever “jumped ship” at this point. But at All In? A week after a great final WWE match in his hometown to replace his buddy who is facing serious legal charges? That wouldn’t be the greatest look, and it would surprise me if Edge jumps at that one.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 19, 2023 4:53:34 GMT -5
Is it any worse than the people laughing it up and using it as an excuse to take jabs/meme it up at Punk/FTR bald, neither of whom have had any involvement in this at all (so far)? Can’t have it both ways, it’s either a serious incident or it’s not. Yes. I think trying to find ways to lessen pointing a pistol at someone because of your preferred place to watch wrestling is more bad than cracking jokes about your favorite wrestler. The people who earnestly believe that CM Punk will reach in to Tony Khan's chest and pull out his still-beating heart as a threat to keep him from punishing Cash at all are weird and the posts are cringy but it's an ignorable cringy that isn't trying to equivocate on a very serious problem because of the two wrestling company owners who have/are letting people get away with insane shit on the road in Florida, the one we're not talking about is a rapist. Also, people make jokes in every topic. Every single topic. Matt Riddle had serious allegations against him and there were two straight pages of people digging up his leaked nudes to comment on the size of his dick. His lawyer became a meme here for months because of how isnane every move was, and that was amid allegations that his victim had been blackballed from enhancement work. Humour is not some inherent sign you don't get the gravity of a situation, and honestly without the jokes sprinlled through this thread just becomes a f***ing miserable read.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 19, 2023 5:05:18 GMT -5
The Bucks are promoting the sit down interview with FTR on their Instagram Stories so they're under the impression that is still happening on Dynamite. They could have easily not posted anything and waited.
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Post by XIII on Aug 19, 2023 5:16:51 GMT -5
To be serious for a moment. Fortunately this didn’t escalate past what happened and since he doesn’t otherwise seem to have been in any trouble I think that dropping the titles, a 60-90 suspension along with anger management and firearm safety classes should be enough.
That said he’d be on a no tolerance policy for a good while after the suspension.
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Post by bearned on Aug 19, 2023 5:32:49 GMT -5
Yes. I think trying to find ways to lessen pointing a pistol at someone because of your preferred place to watch wrestling is more bad than cracking jokes about your favorite wrestler. The people who earnestly believe that CM Punk will reach in to Tony Khan's chest and pull out his still-beating heart as a threat to keep him from punishing Cash at all are weird and the posts are cringy but it's an ignorable cringy that isn't trying to equivocate on a very serious problem because of the two wrestling company owners who have/are letting people get away with insane shit on the road in Florida, the one we're not talking about is a rapist. Also, people make jokes in every topic. Every single topic. Matt Riddle had serious allegations against him and there were two straight pages of people digging up his leaked nudes to comment on the size of his dick. His lawyer became a meme here for months because of how isnane every move was, and that was amid allegations that his victim had been blackballed from enhancement work. Humour is not some inherent sign you don't get the gravity of a situation, and honestly without the jokes sprinlled through this thread just becomes a f***ing miserable read. I’m not saying people shouldn’t make jokes about this if they want. But if you are getting on a high horse about dumb posts on the internet not taking it seriously cos they love FTR, then surely you should be equally upset about posts on the internet making fun of the situation. It’s a double standard to me but anyways, it’s just dumb stuff on the internet - it’s not that important I guess.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 19, 2023 5:34:19 GMT -5
I'm trying to imaginine the UK equivalent, say a Premierleague footballer doing it. Gazza at the Raoul Moat siege I cannot believe this just got referenced on this forum, Holy shit. What a time to be alive Well, here is my most important contribution to this thread. Congratulations to Ospreay and Jericho because if Hair Gun is still wrestling, that is now the match I am skipping to get a drink and go for a piss break
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 19, 2023 5:59:43 GMT -5
Did CM Punk give him muffins earlier in the day? (So sorry if this joke was already made... I'm not reading 32 pages back to catch-up)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 19, 2023 6:12:54 GMT -5
The people who earnestly believe that CM Punk will reach in to Tony Khan's chest and pull out his still-beating heart as a threat to keep him from punishing Cash at all are weird and the posts are cringy but it's an ignorable cringy that isn't trying to equivocate on a very serious problem because of the two wrestling company owners who have/are letting people get away with insane shit on the road in Florida, the one we're not talking about is a rapist. Also, people make jokes in every topic. Every single topic. Matt Riddle had serious allegations against him and there were two straight pages of people digging up his leaked nudes to comment on the size of his dick. His lawyer became a meme here for months because of how isnane every move was, and that was amid allegations that his victim had been blackballed from enhancement work. Humour is not some inherent sign you don't get the gravity of a situation, and honestly without the jokes sprinlled through this thread just becomes a f***ing miserable read. I’m not saying people shouldn’t make jokes about this if they want. But if you are getting on a high horse about dumb posts on the internet not taking it seriously cos they love FTR, then surely you should be equally upset about posts on the internet making fun of the situation. It’s a double standard to me but anyways, it’s just dumb stuff on the internet - it’s not that important I guess. You can make a joke about something and still fundamentally take it seriously. Gun violence can be a serious thing for you, even something you have actual traumatic experience with, and still crack a joke about it. You can't say it's not a big deal that he waved a gun around while rushing through traffic and take it seriously because the implication of that statement is "I'm not taking it seriously". It's not a double standard if they're completely different types of thing.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 19, 2023 6:15:46 GMT -5
Yeah this that 06 Wheeler Mane My lil' grappler, gone of tequila, the wrestler walk around like Superman Somebody calm him down, he 'bout to shoot the man Yeah this that '06 Wheeler Mane CM Punk won't be still, We'll play Living Color loud as the music can You don't like Bret Hart? Catch an Uber then Yeah, marks, let's go
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Post by Killah Ray on Aug 19, 2023 6:18:07 GMT -5
After realizing how bad the situation is and how obviously nothing is gonna happen to Cash, are we really going all but but WWE now? Smh….
Everyone wanted an alternative to them with wrestling, can we get an alternative to how they handle moral situations as well? I thought how they handled Speaking Out and BJ was a good indicator, but ultimately those were people at the bottom of the totem pole, and this was the first upper card star to possibly face consequences. But it looks like he just like if he were in the E is gonna get Uso’d…
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 19, 2023 6:27:59 GMT -5
I get the concern when it comes to Cash but man, WWE is super hot right now and is run by a potential rapist. I just don't have the same energy to care about this stuff anymore. It is what it is. People do bad things and for the most part it doesn't matter. He's going to be on Collision and Dynamite and All In. 95% of wrestling fans won't care. There won't be a backlash. Sponsors won't care. Hell, we are all making jokes about this which we didn't do for Jeff Hardy or Riddle or Jimmy Uso or any of those guys. This is the reality of the situation. I think people expect more from AEW when it comes to these types of issues. Saying “but WWE” doesn’t make AEW look better to anyone that’s seriously bothered by this behavior (which should be everyone).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 19, 2023 6:30:53 GMT -5
After realizing how bad the situation is and how obviously nothing is gonna happen to Cash, are we really going all but but WWE now? Smh…. Everyone wanted an alternative to them with wrestling, can we get an alternative to how they handle moral situations as well? I thought how they handled Speaking Out and BJ was a good indicator, but ultimately those were people at the bottom of the totem pole, and this was the first upper card star to possibly face consequences. But it looks like he just like if he were in the E is gonna get Uso’d… We do not know if "obviously nothing" is going to happen to Cash Wheeler, a taped Rampage card rundown is not telling of that either with the situation still ongoing and AEW being apparently blindsided as it is I'd wait until later today, if he's not removed by showtime I'd consider it an extremely headscratching move given he's given them every single reason, but until then I don't really feel comfortable saying they're going "All but WWE now", as you have said, they have punished, and released wrestlers and staff before, but there's likely a bit to work out with this situation, and I hope by the end of today, there's an official statement from AEW on the matter and they aren't gonna try and push through this without doing anything.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 19, 2023 6:35:12 GMT -5
After realizing how bad the situation is and how obviously nothing is gonna happen to Cash, are we really going all but but WWE now? Smh…. Everyone wanted an alternative to them with wrestling, can we get an alternative to how they handle moral situations as well? I thought how they handled Speaking Out and BJ was a good indicator, but ultimately those were people at the bottom of the totem pole, and this was the first upper card star to possibly face consequences. But it looks like he just like if he were in the E is gonna get Uso’d… I don't want a company that wins out on WWE by technicality of not having decades of time to shore up the inventory of skeletons in their closet, or a company where 'Yeah they're doing the shit we grill WWE for, but at least Tony didn't sexually assault women' is meant to be the bar. I think AEW's already got some sketchy stuff going on, but this is really concrete and unambiguous in how f***ed up a situation it is and what's going on with it. And hell, beyond moral stuff, clearly Cash just. Needs help. Part of how AEW can be better is by addressing those needs and pushing him to have to get that help instead of letting him fester. If Cash has flashed this gun once it's very likely he's done it or contemplated doing it before, and could do it again. Same way that WWE should have actually done something about Jimmy Uso's DUIs for his safety and longevity if nothing else, hey maybe one way you can prove you care about the wrestlers and take care of them is to help Cash work through whatever the f*** needs to be done for him to not take out guns when he's angry so that there's no risk that he does this again, that anyone gets hurt, that he flashes his piece to the wrong person and ends up shot himself over it. If you care about AEW and think it's better, you should be ready to hold them to that standard instead of letting them win the "Less evilest guy" award. It's the difference between aspiring to change things for the better, and aspiring to become the one who gets to do all the sleazy shit and get away with it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 19, 2023 6:36:48 GMT -5
I get the concern when it comes to Cash but man, WWE is super hot right now and is run by a potential rapist. I just don't have the same energy to care about this stuff anymore. It is what it is. People do bad things and for the most part it doesn't matter. He's going to be on Collision and Dynamite and All In. 95% of wrestling fans won't care. There won't be a backlash. Sponsors won't care. Hell, we are all making jokes about this which we didn't do for Jeff Hardy or Riddle or Jimmy Uso or any of those guys. This is the reality of the situation. I think people expect more from AEW when it comes to these types of issues. Saying “but WWE” doesn’t make AEW look better to anyone that’s seriously bothered by this behavior (which should be everyone). There's still not even a guarantee he will in fact stay booked either. I would say if AEW lets this go on without any sort of statement given how far it's carried, and let alone lets him go out there a day later, it won't look great after all the recent Punk shenanigans. You gotta put your foot down somewhere and not create a rhetoric that anyone can get away with stuff anymore, it's way too back to back to ignore it imo Needless to say I get Wembley is a big card and these guys are a big deal for the company but at this point do FTR/Bucks later, strip the belts, put them in like a big ladder match with the Bucks and several other tag teams, and let them go nuts, you can do the rematch with whoever wins (Or if it's The Bucks anyway) at like Full Gear or something. I think it's fair to say plenty of fans won't care if Cash is there, and there is a chance the match just happens anyway, but they're really playing with fire imo. Especially if he lied to them, which is a whole other wrinkle to this that doesn't even count the crime, it's that AEW seemed to find out THAT DAY.
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