Charges Against Cash "Hair" Wheeler Dropped. (P60)

[The Captain]

May 18, 2024 10:36:19 GMT -5 Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite said:

To me it boils down to whether you believe he did it or not.

If I was falsely accused of a crime I didn't actually do, I'd be celebrating too when the charges got dropped.

Now if he actually did that foolishness, that's another story

Yeah I agree. If I was Cash and was falsely accused of doing something I didn't do, then I'd be out there celebrating, too. He'd be completely justified to make fun of the situation.

If he did what he was accused of, but there was a lack of evidence to really do anything about it, then he looks like an asshole.

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I feel like there HAD to be no gun for Cash to be making the "Bang Bang" gesture to make fun of it all

Or, he's the biggest f***ing moron on the planet to make light of that situation

I wanna lean the former because I don't wanna believe Cash is somehow dumber than Dax is...

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Also am I nuts or is 'not guilty' actually quite different from 'charges dropped'

Just to be a pedant for no reason

[Kalmia]

May 18, 2024 18:25:39 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Also am I nuts or is 'not guilty' actually quite different from 'charges dropped'

Just to be a pedant for no reason

Not guilty, charges dropped, and innocent are all different things.

For Cash's sake, I'm glad nothing came of this. Whether he did road rage with a gun or not, I hope this whole experience is a reminder not to do it in the future.

[The Captain]

May 18, 2024 18:40:47 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

May 18, 2024 18:25:39 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Also am I nuts or is 'not guilty' actually quite different from 'charges dropped'

Just to be a pedant for no reason

Not guilty, charges dropped, and innocent are all different things.

For Cash's sake, I'm glad nothing came of this. Whether he did road rage with a gun or not, I hope this whole experience is a reminder not to do it in the future.

Yeah, "not guilty" means that someone went through a trial and couldn't be proven guilty of committing a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecutors dropped the charges against Cash before even getting to a trial. Whatever the reasons for it, they decided to abandon the case, though I think if new, more decisive evidence came to light, they could re-file charges. A "not guilty" verdict would've been a lot more ironclad as even if new evidence came to light after an acquittal, they couldn't re-try Cash for the same crime as it'd be considered double jeopardy. That violates the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

Whether Cash did what he was accused of or not is only known to Cash and the other driver.

[markymark]

AEW star Cash Wheeler opens up about the situation with his arrest last year:

"It was a very rough patch. From August when I found out about it to May when everything finally got dismissed, as it should have been the whole time, it was a long stretch. There was a point in time when I couldn't think about life after May because I knew everything hinged on that - that was the be all, end all.

"I told my lawyers when it happened, I would not take any sort of plea deal, I would not plead guilty to any charge whatsoever, that I was not guilty and I was not gonna take any sort of plea. But on the flip of that, that means I face the full repercussions if they do find me guilty.

"I don’t know for sure (what the repercussions would have been) because it's based on priors and history and stuff like that, which I don't have, but the maximum for that if the judge sees fit is five years in prison. And I knew that, but also I knew that I didn't do it, and I was not gonna sit here and be like, 'I'll take any charge whatsoever to not go to jail', because if I do that, then this goes away, AEW has to get rid of me, I can never leave the country again… everything I've ever worked for over something that never happened.

"Just the way it all went about, I don't see how it ever got that far. I didn't even find out about it until a week after the fact. They never pulled me over and found anything, they never came to my house and searched, they never had a witness, a picture, a video - all they had was one guy's statement and that was it. I found out a week later that there was already an arrest warrant for me.

"The thing about coming into work - and I'm sure there were people that talked when I wasn't around and I'm sure there were people that had some whispers to say and whatever, but I never really wasted too much thought about that. I have to be able to compartmentalize these things. I come from a pretty rough upbringing, so I feel like I can handle a lot of pressure and stressful situations really well.

"So I did what I could with it. I knew that I was innocent and that’s the one thing that I think kept me from being too stressed out about it. But I'm taking all the precautions I can. I'm thinking, if it goes to trial, there's a good chance that somebody finds me guilty. So I did what I could.

"When we got back from Wembley, the day that I landed, I paid thousands of dollars out of pocket to drive to Tampa to take a polygraph test, which I passed. It doesn't matter to the masses - the general public's gonna have their thoughts and their beliefs, and the ones that wanna think I'm guilty are gonna think it no matter what, (and) the ones that wanna believe me, they believed me the whole time.

"But yeah I paid thousands out of pocket to take a polygraph. Just like Meet The Parents. They put something on your palm so if you sweat too much it falls off. They read your pulse. They put the fingertips on there. They put pads under your butt, pads under your feet, pads under your elbow, breath strap, heart monitor. They can read if you take bigger breaths, if your breath starts getting rapid, they can get your heart rate. If you're clenching your feet or pressing down through your toes, they register that. If your arms are too tense they register that.

"It's just something, 'I'm willing to do this just to show…' It's like an hours-long process. It's the same 10 questions but they ask them in different orders, and they ask you four times. And you've got to sit there, and every question is asked, and then they have to wait 30 seconds to register, and then you just go through it all again. It doesn't matter what he's asking, every time he starts to talk, I feel my stomach just drops. But I was willing to go through it. And again, it's not gonna change everybody's opinion, but I did everything I could on my end to make sure the people that did believe in me... having to tell him (Dax Harwood), I was like, 'How do I break this news?'

"I found out about a week after the incident happened, maybe a little bit more than a week, and I didn't tell anybody until I got to work and I told HR and I told him. It was in the Carolinas and my mom rode with me, and I didn't tell my mom.

"The guy in charge of my case, he falls off the map for weeks so I can't even turn myself in. So like, I'm trying to do all this without telling my family. He (Dax) knows, legal knows, and that's it. So I'm trying to get answers and I can't get anybody to answer me for weeks, and I'm like, 'What do I do?' I don't wanna get pulled over because if I do there's a warrant out for me. Like, I'm trying to work with you guys here.

"Finally they called me back and we arranged for me to turn myself in, so that's when I start calling my family. I called my Mom and I said, 'Hey, I need you to know, I'm gonna get arrested tonight, here's the whole story, I'll tell you more when I get out, but I don't know when that's gonna be'.

"There's bodycam footage I'm sure. I met them at the police station and my lawyer's there, they read me my rights and they handcuff me. They're trying to talk to me about wrestling in the car ride over, and I'm like, 'Guys, I don't wanna answer questions about Ricky Steamboat, I'm sorry'."

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[Johnny Flamingo]

May 18, 2024 19:05:05 GMT -5 The Captain said:

May 18, 2024 18:40:47 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

Not guilty, charges dropped, and innocent are all different things.

For Cash's sake, I'm glad nothing came of this. Whether he did road rage with a gun or not, I hope this whole experience is a reminder not to do it in the future.

Yeah, "not guilty" means that someone went through a trial and couldn't be proven guilty of committing a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecutors dropped the charges against Cash before even getting to a trial. Whatever the reasons for it, they decided to abandon the case, though I think if new, more decisive evidence came to light, they could re-file charges. A "not guilty" verdict would've been a lot more ironclad as even if new evidence came to light after an acquittal, they couldn't re-try Cash for the same crime as it'd be considered double jeopardy. That violates the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

Whether Cash did what he was accused of or not is only known to Cash and the other driver.

Also add that a case dismissed with prejudice also means they can’t try the case again.

Also this was a relatively quick case.

From experience I was falsely accused of a very serious crime. Mine took 4 years to be dismissed (with prejudice) and 5 years in total before it was officially sealed.

My lawyer told me that getting them to dismiss with prejudice was very important as it means that you can’t be accused again or have the case brought up again. As he put it, with prejudice is the prosecutors/investigation essentially saying that there is no evidence to point to a crime having been committed but that the accusations were also not credible.

I didn’t celebrate though, I went home to my wife as soon as I found out and we cried together for a bit. Can’t describe the emotional toll it puts on a family. Even knowing you are completely innocent doesn’t help. You live in constant stress/anxiety until it’s over.

Edit: I do want to add that if anyone has to go through that experience please get mental help/counseling for both yourself and your family.

[Susan "Poison" Candy]

Cash after finding out the charges are dropped:

[ChitownKnight]

If none of this happened and Cash was actually falsely accused then I think we all owe him a big apology

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Sept 20, 2024 9:47:39 GMT -5 ChitownKnight said:

If none of this happened and Cash was actually falsely accused then I think we all owe him a big apology

Hmm I suppose I should really apologise huh












On second thought no

[ChitownKnight]

Sept 23, 2024 7:50:20 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Sept 20, 2024 9:47:39 GMT -5 ChitownKnight said:

If none of this happened and Cash was actually falsely accused then I think we all owe him a big apology

Hmm I suppose I should really apologise huh




As long as you haven’t accused him of anything he didn’t do, you have no reason to apologize







On second thought no

[ChitownKnight]

Sept 23, 2024 8:38:41 GMT -5 ChitownKnight said:

Sept 23, 2024 7:50:20 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Hmm I suppose I should really apologise huh










On second thought no

As long as you haven’t accused him of anything he didn’t do, you have no reason to apologize

[Feargus McReddit]

I still think it's weird that, like, nothing came out about it video wise from the public. Not to go into stereotypes but it's Florida, it's a white guy waving around a gun in anger, likely in a public place and nobody recorded it on a camera? Especially if it's someone somewhat well known as a member of a TV wrestling tag team because I've seen lesser known people get caught doing weird things.

Thinking about it, maybe my reasons were why nobody recorded it...

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Sept 23, 2024 9:05:33 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I still think it's weird that, like, nothing came out about it video wise from the public. Not to go into stereotypes but it's Florida, it's a white guy waving around a gun in anger, likely in a public place and nobody recorded it on a camera? Especially if it's someone somewhat well known as a member of a TV wrestling tag team because I've seen lesser known people get caught doing weird things.

Thinking about it, maybe my reasons were why nobody recorded it...

The fact that it got as far as him being arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a firearm without so much as a shred of evidence is kind of silly. At this point, I'd sooner believe somebody made the story up entirely.

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 23, 2024 10:02:18 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Sept 23, 2024 9:05:33 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

I still think it's weird that, like, nothing came out about it video wise from the public. Not to go into stereotypes but it's Florida, it's a white guy waving around a gun in anger, likely in a public place and nobody recorded it on a camera? Especially if it's someone somewhat well known as a member of a TV wrestling tag team because I've seen lesser known people get caught doing weird things.

Thinking about it, maybe my reasons were why nobody recorded it...

The fact that it got as far as him being arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a firearm without so much as a shred of evidence is kind of silly. At this point, I'd sooner believe somebody made the story up entirely.

Like, we live in a world where people give TMZ random videos from former child actors and reality TV stars, nobody had a video of a pro wrestler doing something stupid with a gun? In Florida?

Like you said, it's silly it got that far for essentially nothing except a (admittedly fun at the time to do) "Cash's got a gun" chant at Wembley.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Okay fine, I apologise for implicating Hair in the Pentagon Papers leaks

I also apologise for photoshopping Dax into the moon landing

[polarbearpete]

Sept 23, 2024 10:11:33 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Sept 23, 2024 10:02:18 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

The fact that it got as far as him being arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a firearm without so much as a shred of evidence is kind of silly. At this point, I'd sooner believe somebody made the story up entirely.

Like, we live in a world where people give TMZ random videos from former child actors and reality TV stars, nobody had a video of a pro wrestler doing something stupid with a gun? In Florida?

Like you said, it's silly it got that far for essentially nothing except a (admittedly fun at the time to do) "Cash's got a gun" chant at Wembley.

Seems pretty unlikely someone would be filming a nondescript wrestler driving around in his car.

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 23, 2024 11:23:46 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Seems pretty unlikely someone would be filming a nondescript wrestler driving around in his car.

TMZ is full of random phone clips of celebrities driving in their cars or doing random stuff so no way you can rule it out.

[Schizo]

Sept 23, 2024 11:31:06 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Sept 23, 2024 11:23:46 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Seems pretty unlikely someone would be filming a nondescript wrestler driving around in his car.

TMZ is full of random phone clips of celebrities driving in their cars or doing random stuff so no way you can rule it out.

Except Cash Wheeler isn’t a high profile celebrity, he’s not even a low profile celebrity, outside of AEW, he’s just some shmuck. Pretty sure if TMZ were to cover his story, 99% of the viewers would just be “who?”. Not much of a headline grabber

[Feargus McReddit]

Sept 23, 2024 11:39:09 GMT -5 Schizo said:

Sept 23, 2024 11:31:06 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

TMZ is full of random phone clips of celebrities driving in their cars or doing random stuff so no way you can rule it out.

Except Cash Wheeler isn’t a high profile celebrity, he’s not even a low profile celebrity, outside of AEW, he’s just some shmuck. Pretty sure if TMZ were to cover his story, 99% of the viewers would just be “who?”

TMZ literally covered the Cash Wheeler arrest. It was where the mugshot came from.