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Post by KME on Aug 19, 2023 6:50:49 GMT -5
Any time I hear about gun stuff in the US, I’m just completely baffled. Not even just the big stuff. I get that. Somebody wants to hurt/kill a bunch of people and the means to do so are readily available. But little stuff like this. You’re angry at somebody in traffic and you just so happen to have a firearm on you so may as well threaten somebody’s actual *life*? Like, genuinely, what the **** is that? Dude should spend some time in jail and (and this should go without saying, but I guess it’s pretty unlikely) never be allowed to own or carry a gun again. But he probably won’t. It's mental. I'm trying to imaginine the UK equivalent, say a Premierleague footballer doing it. Imagine the reaction to James Milner pulling out a gun in a road rage incident on the A23. I'm trying to see it from other sides but it's a struggle to wrap my head around it not being seen as a big deal, even by the courts. There is no UK equivalent though, because we don't have guns here, thats pretty much the point. Milly would presumably be off to prison because it's unheard of here, whereas it sounds like it's not that uncommon in Florida which both does and doesn't surprise me. James would be more likely to throw a bottle of Ribena anyway. it's hard to get your head around if you don't live in America because they're allowed to have guns, and when angry I'm sure plenty of people reach for them, show them off, even if they have no intention of using them, I have no idea how seriously you're meant to interpret someone flashing one (which I imagine is wildly different to actually pointing one?) as I have no reference point. You lose your temper big time over here and you're someone naturally aggressive you might scream at someone that you'll kill them, likely a totally meaningless phrase with no real threat behind it, despite how aggressive it sounds, you do it in America you do the same thing but flash an item that indicates you might be serious, even if the gesture is just as hollow. How the f*** do you interpret that? It's likely still just threatening behaviour and it's very difficult to say "but OMG he had a GUN!!!!!!!!" when guns are so normalised over there. It would be horrifying here because you'd ask yourself why someone even had a gun, them brandishing it couldn't possibly be just a rush of blood to the head, whereas in America that just not the case. The ease of which people these days are labelling someone a criminal before they've been convicted of anything is troubling though, and as I say I presume if he flashed it that's quite different to actually pointing it as the guy is alleging. There's potentially more to it than we've heard and you can't just make your decision based on what's been said so far, it's an insanely stupid thing to do and as someone that's been in court with people for crimes they committed and ones they didn't I can safely say no outsider would have been able to make a judgement on what happened or why on any of them. This isn't the Mason Greenwood thing, there isn't evidence that we can all see and hear and safely judge he's a piece of shit no matter what any court does or doesn't say, it's a bizarre incident with a story that doesn't make all that much sense and while MJF worded his tweet terribly he had a massive point with the not making assumptions thing, "believe every single witness and every single statement and every single police officer!" isn't a phrase to live your life by, people lie and it's fair enough to wait until the guy is actually found guilty of something before deciding to hang him for it. Whether he should be at All In is a morality thing and it's murky at best, I probably wouldn't have him there but if he's free to travel and enter and hasn't been convicted of anything in an incident where he didn't harm anybody I can see them wanting him to show up for work.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 19, 2023 7:12:08 GMT -5
It's mental. I'm trying to imaginine the UK equivalent, say a Premierleague footballer doing it. Imagine the reaction to James Milner pulling out a gun in a road rage incident on the A23. I'm trying to see it from other sides but it's a struggle to wrap my head around it not being seen as a big deal, even by the courts. There is no UK equivalent though, because we don't have guns here, thats pretty much the point. Milly would presumably be off to prison because it's unheard of here, whereas it sounds like it's not that uncommon in Florida which both does and doesn't surprise me. James would be more likely to throw a bottle of Ribena anyway. it's hard to get your head around if you don't live in America because they're allowed to have guns, and when angry I'm sure plenty of people reach for them, show them off, even if they have no intention of using them, I have no idea how seriously you're meant to interpret someone flashing one (which I imagine is wildly different to actually pointing one?) as I have no reference point. You lose your temper big time over here and you're someone naturally aggressive you might scream at someone that you'll kill them, likely a totally meaningless phrase with no real threat behind it, despite how aggressive it sounds, you do it in America you do the same thing but flash an item that indicates you might be serious, even if the gesture is just as hollow. How the f*** do you interpret that? It's likely still just threatening behaviour and it's very difficult to say "but OMG he had a GUN!!!!!!!!" when guns are so normalised over there. It would be horrifying here because you'd ask yourself why someone even had a gun, them brandishing it couldn't possibly be just a rush of blood to the head, whereas in America that just not the case. The ease of which people these days are labelling someone a criminal before they've been convicted of anything is troubling though, and as I say I presume if he flashed it that's quite different to actually pointing it as the guy is alleging. There's potentially more to it than we've heard and you can't just make your decision based on what's been said so far, it's an insanely stupid thing to do and as someone that's been in court with people for crimes they committed and ones they didn't I can safely say no outsider would have been able to make a judgement on what happened or why on any of them. This isn't the Mason Greenwood thing, there isn't evidence that we can all see and hear and safely judge he's a piece of shit no matter what any court does or doesn't say, it's a bizarre incident with a story that doesn't make all that much sense and while MJF worded his tweet terribly he had a massive point with the not making assumptions thing, "believe every single witness and every single statement and every single police officer!" isn't a phrase to live your life by, people lie and it's fair enough to wait until the guy is actually found guilty of something before deciding to hang him for it. Whether he should be at All In is a morality thing and it's murky at best, I probably wouldn't have him there but if he's free to travel and enter and hasn't been convicted of anything in an incident where he didn't harm anybody I can see them wanting him to show up for work. If they were both driving at the time, it would likely be something more aggressive than “flashing” the gun (which is still pretty damn aggressive) since it would have to be him holding it up to or out of his window.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Aug 19, 2023 7:14:43 GMT -5
It's mental. I'm trying to imaginine the UK equivalent, say a Premierleague footballer doing it. Imagine the reaction to James Milner pulling out a gun in a road rage incident on the A23. I'm trying to see it from other sides but it's a struggle to wrap my head around it not being seen as a big deal, even by the courts. There is no UK equivalent though, because we don't have guns here, thats pretty much the point. Milly would presumably be off to prison because it's unheard of here, whereas it sounds like it's not that uncommon in Florida which both does and doesn't surprise me. James would be more likely to throw a bottle of Ribena anyway. it's hard to get your head around if you don't live in America because they're allowed to have guns, and when angry I'm sure plenty of people reach for them, show them off, even if they have no intention of using them, I have no idea how seriously you're meant to interpret someone flashing one (which I imagine is wildly different to actually pointing one?) as I have no reference point. You lose your temper big time over here and you're someone naturally aggressive you might scream at someone that you'll kill them, likely a totally meaningless phrase with no real threat behind it, despite how aggressive it sounds, you do it in America you do the same thing but flash an item that indicates you might be serious, even if the gesture is just as hollow. How the f*** do you interpret that? It's likely still just threatening behaviour and it's very difficult to say "but OMG he had a GUN!!!!!!!!" when guns are so normalised over there. It would be horrifying here because you'd ask yourself why someone even had a gun, them brandishing it couldn't possibly be just a rush of blood to the head, whereas in America that just not the case. The ease of which people these days are labelling someone a criminal before they've been convicted of anything is troubling though, and as I say I presume if he flashed it that's quite different to actually pointing it as the guy is alleging. There's potentially more to it than we've heard and you can't just make your decision based on what's been said so far, it's an insanely stupid thing to do and as someone that's been in court with people for crimes they committed and ones they didn't I can safely say no outsider would have been able to make a judgement on what happened or why on any of them. This isn't the Mason Greenwood thing, there isn't evidence that we can all see and hear and safely judge he's a piece of shit no matter what any court does or doesn't say, it's a bizarre incident with a story that doesn't make all that much sense and while MJF worded his tweet terribly he had a massive point with the not making assumptions thing, "believe every single witness and every single statement and every single police officer!" isn't a phrase to live your life by, people lie and it's fair enough to wait until the guy is actually found guilty of something before deciding to hang him for it. Whether he should be at All In is a morality thing and it's murky at best, I probably wouldn't have him there but if he's free to travel and enter and hasn't been convicted of anything in an incident where he didn't harm anybody I can see them wanting him to show up for work. The number one rule in gun safety is "don't present a gun unless you're willing to use it immediately." Dude allegedly made a deadly threat over some stupid traffic bullshit, that's not a cultural thing that's being an absolute asshole.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 19, 2023 7:54:56 GMT -5
It's mental. I'm trying to imaginine the UK equivalent, say a Premierleague footballer doing it. Imagine the reaction to James Milner pulling out a gun in a road rage incident on the A23. I'm trying to see it from other sides but it's a struggle to wrap my head around it not being seen as a big deal, even by the courts. There is no UK equivalent though, because we don't have guns here, thats pretty much the point. Milly would presumably be off to prison because it's unheard of here, whereas it sounds like it's not that uncommon in Florida which both does and doesn't surprise me. James would be more likely to throw a bottle of Ribena anyway. it's hard to get your head around if you don't live in America because they're allowed to have guns, and when angry I'm sure plenty of people reach for them, show them off, even if they have no intention of using them, I have no idea how seriously you're meant to interpret someone flashing one (which I imagine is wildly different to actually pointing one?) as I have no reference point. You lose your temper big time over here and you're someone naturally aggressive you might scream at someone that you'll kill them, likely a totally meaningless phrase with no real threat behind it, despite how aggressive it sounds, you do it in America you do the same thing but flash an item that indicates you might be serious, even if the gesture is just as hollow. How the f*** do you interpret that? It's likely still just threatening behaviour and it's very difficult to say "but OMG he had a GUN!!!!!!!!" when guns are so normalised over there. It would be horrifying here because you'd ask yourself why someone even had a gun, them brandishing it couldn't possibly be just a rush of blood to the head, whereas in America that just not the case. Going "I don't have a cultural reference point for this" and then going "It's normal there whatever it doesn't mean as much" in the same post is a really bad call. You kinda undermine whatever you're trying to say here in both directions.
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Post by uewfigfed on Aug 19, 2023 8:23:30 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how driving can bring that kind of behaviour out of people smfh and I was hoping they’d win wembley too. Now that’s out the window
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Post by Killah Ray on Aug 19, 2023 8:31:17 GMT -5
It's mental. I'm trying to imaginine the UK equivalent, say a Premierleague footballer doing it. Imagine the reaction to James Milner pulling out a gun in a road rage incident on the A23. I'm trying to see it from other sides but it's a struggle to wrap my head around it not being seen as a big deal, even by the courts. There is no UK equivalent though, because we don't have guns here, thats pretty much the point. Milly would presumably be off to prison because it's unheard of here, whereas it sounds like it's not that uncommon in Florida which both does and doesn't surprise me. James would be more likely to throw a bottle of Ribena anyway. it's hard to get your head around if you don't live in America because they're allowed to have guns, and when angry I'm sure plenty of people reach for them, show them off, even if they have no intention of using them, I have no idea how seriously you're meant to interpret someone flashing one (which I imagine is wildly different to actually pointing one?) as I have no reference point. You lose your temper big time over here and you're someone naturally aggressive you might scream at someone that you'll kill them, likely a totally meaningless phrase with no real threat behind it, despite how aggressive it sounds, you do it in America you do the same thing but flash an item that indicates you might be serious, even if the gesture is just as hollow. How the f*** do you interpret that? It's likely still just threatening behaviour and it's very difficult to say "but OMG he had a GUN!!!!!!!!" when guns are so normalised over there. It would be horrifying here because you'd ask yourself why someone even had a gun, them brandishing it couldn't possibly be just a rush of blood to the head, whereas in America that just not the case. The ease of which people these days are labelling someone a criminal before they've been convicted of anything is troubling though, and as I say I presume if he flashed it that's quite different to actually pointing it as the guy is alleging. There's potentially more to it than we've heard and you can't just make your decision based on what's been said so far, it's an insanely stupid thing to do and as someone that's been in court with people for crimes they committed and ones they didn't I can safely say no outsider would have been able to make a judgement on what happened or why on any of them. This isn't the Mason Greenwood thing, there isn't evidence that we can all see and hear and safely judge he's a piece of shit no matter what any court does or doesn't say, it's a bizarre incident with a story that doesn't make all that much sense and while MJF worded his tweet terribly he had a massive point with the not making assumptions thing, "believe every single witness and every single statement and every single police officer!" isn't a phrase to live your life by, people lie and it's fair enough to wait until the guy is actually found guilty of something before deciding to hang him for it. Whether he should be at All In is a morality thing and it's murky at best, I probably wouldn't have him there but if he's free to travel and enter and hasn't been convicted of anything in an incident where he didn't harm anybody I can see them wanting him to show up for work. Believe it or not threatening to shoot someone and brandishing a gun while doing it isn’t normal behavior over here. It is also a very traumatic experience and the victim could in fact have severe mental consequences for a good while after this. I know the media portrayal of Americans is that everyone and their grandmother are walking around with gun holsters on their hips but that just simply isn’t the case.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 19, 2023 8:31:20 GMT -5
I get the concern when it comes to Cash but man, WWE is super hot right now and is run by a potential rapist. I just don't have the same energy to care about this stuff anymore. It is what it is. People do bad things and for the most part it doesn't matter. He's going to be on Collision and Dynamite and All In. 95% of wrestling fans won't care. There won't be a backlash. Sponsors won't care. Hell, we are all making jokes about this which we didn't do for Jeff Hardy or Riddle or Jimmy Uso or any of those guys. This is the reality of the situation. I think people expect more from AEW when it comes to these types of issues. Saying “but WWE” doesn’t make AEW look better to anyone that’s seriously bothered by this behavior (which should be everyone). I would encourage you to reread my post. I'm not saying "but WWE" I'm saying and purely speaking for myself that I no longer have the same energy to care about these cases because I have seen so many people get away with things like this across the industry and it's hard to muster the same moral outrage when it does nothing each time. And I don't think I'm alone there given the relative ease with which wrestling fans generally move on from these controversies and that's true across all companies. And I don't think people should expect more from AEW at this stage. It's a wrestling company. Hell, when Manchester United who is a much larger entity in the world of sports is prepared to welcome back a probable rapist, why would we expect anything more from wrestling. They have a line somewhere (see BJ Whitmer and Jimmy Havoc) but they still employ Jeff Hardy (DUI) and Darby Allin/Jay Lethal (Speaking Out allegations). They welcomed back CM Punk after assaulting his coworkers. I'm just saying I don't expect AEW to treat this like a big deal and I am too tired to devote too much of my mental energy to being upset about this. It is what it is.
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Post by gentlemengreg1 on Aug 19, 2023 8:33:10 GMT -5
Here is a friendly reminder.
None of us in this thread actually knows what happened on the night of the alleged incident/crime.
If course it’s natural to speculate but many of you are making grandiose statements about Wheeler which is not warranted at this time in my opinion.
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Post by SneakMan on Aug 19, 2023 9:05:34 GMT -5
Here is a friendly reminder. None of us in this thread actually knows what happened on the night of the alleged incident/crime. If course it’s natural to speculate but many of you are making grandiose statements about Wheeler which is not warranted at this time in my opinion. I mean there’s a statement from the witness… Also it happened at 10am.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 19, 2023 9:13:29 GMT -5
Hair is a moron. You gotta be better than that sometimes. Also is anyone else feeling the AEW rosters tweets rubbing me the wrong way especially MJF who went nuclear on LuFisto but is asking for patience on a dude who flashed a gun.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 19, 2023 9:19:50 GMT -5
Here is a friendly reminder. None of us in this thread actually knows what happened on the night of the alleged incident/crime. If course it’s natural to speculate but many of you are making grandiose statements about Wheeler which is not warranted at this time in my opinion. My thing is, whether he is ultimately exonerated under the law of Florida or not, it’s uncontroverted that he was driving around brandishing a gun two weeks before the biggest show in the company’s history. It’s inappropriate to comment on the criminality of his conduct this early in the process, but I don’t think it’s inappropriate to call him a f***ing moron for even getting himself into the situation in the first place.
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Post by SneakMan on Aug 19, 2023 9:21:12 GMT -5
Not mine but holy shit
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 19, 2023 9:31:07 GMT -5
I think people expect more from AEW when it comes to these types of issues. Saying “but WWE” doesn’t make AEW look better to anyone that’s seriously bothered by this behavior (which should be everyone). I would encourage you to reread my post. I'm not saying "but WWE" I'm saying and purely speaking for myself that I no longer have the same energy to care about these cases because I have seen so many people get away with things like this across the industry and it's hard to muster the same moral outrage when it does nothing each time. And I don't think I'm alone there given the relative ease with which wrestling fans generally move on from these controversies and that's true across all companies. And I don't think people should expect more from AEW at this stage. It's a wrestling company. Hell, when Manchester United who is a much larger entity in the world of sports is prepared to welcome back a probable rapist, why would we expect anything more from wrestling. They have a line somewhere (see BJ Whitmer and Jimmy Havoc) but they still employ Jeff Hardy (DUI) and Darby Allin/Jay Lethal (Speaking Out allegations). They welcomed back CM Punk after assaulting his coworkers. I'm just saying I don't expect AEW to treat this like a big deal and I am too tired to devote too much of my mental energy to being upset about this. It is what it is. Saying you don’t have the energy to care about it and pointing out why WWE and other places are worse seems like a diplomatic, polite way of trying to make AEW not look so bad without handwaving the behavior entirely.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 19, 2023 9:59:34 GMT -5
I would encourage you to reread my post. I'm not saying "but WWE" I'm saying and purely speaking for myself that I no longer have the same energy to care about these cases because I have seen so many people get away with things like this across the industry and it's hard to muster the same moral outrage when it does nothing each time. And I don't think I'm alone there given the relative ease with which wrestling fans generally move on from these controversies and that's true across all companies. And I don't think people should expect more from AEW at this stage. It's a wrestling company. Hell, when Manchester United who is a much larger entity in the world of sports is prepared to welcome back a probable rapist, why would we expect anything more from wrestling. They have a line somewhere (see BJ Whitmer and Jimmy Havoc) but they still employ Jeff Hardy (DUI) and Darby Allin/Jay Lethal (Speaking Out allegations). They welcomed back CM Punk after assaulting his coworkers. I'm just saying I don't expect AEW to treat this like a big deal and I am too tired to devote too much of my mental energy to being upset about this. It is what it is. Saying you don’t have the energy to care about it and pointing out why WWE and other places are worse seems like a diplomatic, polite way of trying to make AEW not look so bad without handwaving the behavior entirely. I'm not saying anyone is worse! I have also pointed out a ton of instances of AEW coming up incredibly short here. This is not directed solely at you but we all need to try to assume the best from each other here.
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Post by deezy on Aug 19, 2023 10:11:01 GMT -5
Not mine but holy shit Punk's expression in this is cracking me up for some reason,😄. Bald is looking like this is a everyday thing in the life of FTR. Lol
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Post by thechase on Aug 19, 2023 10:57:05 GMT -5
For Botchamania, can we get a Law and Order ending for all involved in this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 11:01:30 GMT -5
Regarding the Edge talk...Obviously he wouldn't be able to do use Edge (WWE has that mark right?)
so does he just use Adam Copeland or Sexton Hardcastle?
Does he TNA a'fy it and go with "BORDER" or "BRIM"? (Sorry Brimstone)
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Post by Killah Ray on Aug 19, 2023 11:25:29 GMT -5
Hair is a moron. You gotta be better than that sometimes. Also is anyone else feeling the AEW rosters tweets rubbing me the wrong way especially MJF who went nuclear on LuFisto but is asking for patience on a dude who flashed a gun. Yeah Shawn Dean who is normally a great guy came off as a huge dick in his tweet as well…
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 11:34:50 GMT -5
I know we have a full on war going on in these boards right now, myself included on the side of really disliking punk but if there was ever something to not just jump to the defense of someone, it is anything involving a gun especially unprovoked. I would like to believe that this is one of those rare times where we can sit back and wonder what the f*** was this dude doing, especially with how much is on the line in his life and career right now. Imagine if that happened to you. This can easily be one of the very few times where we can agree on something. The wrestleshow is the wrestleshow. This is real life shit. Like, I kinda compare it to the issue people raise of Vince and his rape allegations versus why people talk about CM Punk so much/why there's a "Tony Khan is a bitch" thread but not a Vince once. The shit that really, really matters? Not a tenth as controversial. Down at the real core of it, there's stuff that people disagree with way way the f*** less and it's typically the stuff that's serious enough to really be worth that. This is the kind of shit people can agree from across a whole lot of viewpoints, ideas, tastes, and sensibilities. Not everyone, but it is definitely bringing a lot of people together and the thread where Rick Styles and I have liked more of one another's posts than probably anywhere else since the night we thought the Saudis inked a WWE buyout. Moth, after taking a day and thinking about it I wanted to properly address you statement instead of coming off as I have occasionally in the past as condescending. First and foremost the issue for me with you and your ilk (HAD TO haha) was never truly personal. Your brevity above highlights that. My ignorance, pettiness, and frustration routinely came from a place of confusion instead of malice. I recently finished an assisted a 3 month bid...My first one here in nearly 2 decades and had no clue during that process why I was even banned...At the time I didn't feel like I was even communicating with anyone directly. During that time I sat for a few weeks trying to figure out what the heck I even said this time, out of everything, that would have irked someone.... About halfway through I reached out to a few people over the last 2 decades or so that I have spoken to via X and asked them if they can just have my account deleted. I felt like this place had obviously passed me by and that my opinion, even ignorant, didn't matter. The day after my ban lifted I logged in with the intent on deleting my account and walking away...I saw something though...It sounds weird but as someone who does consider themselves a fan (albeit hyper critical) of AEW (i own merch, figures, the game etc) I always felt like I wasn't allowed to participate here if my opinion didn't meet the status quo. I've never been a team rah-rah guy and at points you had to be. What I saw was that the veil had seemingly lifted and that others I had issues with regarding my opinion were more willing to both listen and accept those criticisms...That is a huge door that I felt was previously closed before and in a lot of ways rightfully so with how I was acting as well... A lot happened during those 3 months...I was promoted at the firm I work at...My mother died unexpectedly and my son started autism school...There was no way I was holding onto that irritation from here.... Anyways...Im here...one last shot at the only place online I have ever really felt is a true part of my day to day process...The past is just that...my block list is empty...and I do not need an explanation from the mods for their decisions...I understand it in a lot of ways even if it could have been done more gracefully. Remember though I am, at heart, a Dick...My beloved Momma named me Richard for a reason. I implore everyone to tell me when I am being stupid...That is how we learn just maybe not in every response? haha Onto 2024 fan and thanks for letting me get that out
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 19, 2023 11:51:28 GMT -5
I would encourage you to reread my post. I'm not saying "but WWE" I'm saying and purely speaking for myself that I no longer have the same energy to care about these cases because I have seen so many people get away with things like this across the industry and it's hard to muster the same moral outrage when it does nothing each time. And I don't think I'm alone there given the relative ease with which wrestling fans generally move on from these controversies and that's true across all companies. And I don't think people should expect more from AEW at this stage. It's a wrestling company. Hell, when Manchester United who is a much larger entity in the world of sports is prepared to welcome back a probable rapist, why would we expect anything more from wrestling. They have a line somewhere (see BJ Whitmer and Jimmy Havoc) but they still employ Jeff Hardy (DUI) and Darby Allin/Jay Lethal (Speaking Out allegations). They welcomed back CM Punk after assaulting his coworkers. I'm just saying I don't expect AEW to treat this like a big deal and I am too tired to devote too much of my mental energy to being upset about this. It is what it is. Saying you don’t have the energy to care about it and pointing out why WWE and other places are worse seems like a diplomatic, polite way of trying to make AEW not look so bad without handwaving the behavior entirely. That’s what I’m basically trying to say. I can totally get down on the idea that it can be irritating to some people that some of the aew madness is more annoying to other people but it is hard to even consider it at face value when everything screams “aew did this, let me put on my armor”. I’ve spent way too much f***ing money on this product to have the wool pulled over my eyes by the enlightened centrist brigade, I just wanna watch some goddamn wrestling. I want these people to stop.
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