Totorob101
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Post by Totorob101 on Sept 3, 2023 5:25:08 GMT -5
Im not surprised and honestly id prefer Shinsuke to be champion as a babyface then as a dastardly heel but i guess he wont be winning any of the big titles at this point. But on the whole he has a very good WWE career, winning multiple single titles, tag titles, NXT and the Royal Rumble so to say he hasnt been pushed well isnt quite true.
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Post by 4real on Sept 3, 2023 6:12:39 GMT -5
Not exactly sure what people were expecting. Nakamura is washed really no matter how much HHH tries he still hasn’t recovered from years of poor booking. Seth is still hot and I’m not saying I never want to see Nakamura as champion but I’m over it and it doesn’t bother me if he never wins a major title in WWE.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Sept 3, 2023 7:46:16 GMT -5
"Hey Muta, wanna fly out to Payback and sit in the crowd so you can watch Shinsuke Nakamura lose?"
And WWE toyed with my emotions further by giving him that badass Manga video package. We could have done SO MUCH with this version of Shinsuke.
It's just very disappointing.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 3, 2023 7:47:46 GMT -5
I thought Seth should have lost to Finn at Summerslam and he definitely should have lost to Shinsuke here. Seth just doesn't need the title and both of those guys did.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 3, 2023 7:49:03 GMT -5
I couldn't give less of a shit about it continuing when the dude is never going to win the title. Dude should have gotten out of WWE when he had the chance, he just has a very noticeable ceiling and has for years... but it's an easy bag to get so I can't fault him for it. Im under the impression that he’s happy to just get the bag of cash, and surf.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 3, 2023 8:11:35 GMT -5
I had no belief that Shinsuke would win and he shouldn't have.
I always looked at British Bulldog as the guy with the most PPV title shots to never actually win the big belt but Nakamura has surpassed him.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 3, 2023 8:17:19 GMT -5
I would like to think that if a company books someone to choke this many times, it wouldn't be fine. That doesn't answer the question, though. I'm just trying to apply common sense here. If someone being booked to lose matches is implied to be a punishment, why is it only a punishment in WWE and not literally anywhere else? Adam Cole has had three AEW Championship matches in his run there and he's lost all three, so let's start calling him a choke artist. Same with Bryan Danielson, with an additional time limit draw. I don't know for certain that they're ever winning that belt, so let's do it. I mean, it only took two shots with Nakamura, so it's only fair, right? Performative outrage aside... Is it a follow-up thing? Is it that him losing means he's gonna be cycled out, possibly off of TV entirely, to facilitate the next challenger? That's the only thing I can think of that might separate WWE from other promotions in similar situations, their struggles in following up in satisfying ways. Because otherwise all we're going on is speculation and gut feelings. I compared Bryan to the Toronto Maple Leafs when a thread was started showing concern about how many big matches he was losing (not just AEW Championship matches) in AEW, and his feud with MJF suffered in that people knew that he wasn't going to get vengance for Regal nor win the title. I was far from being the only one to show concern that Bryan was losing too many big matches, IE all of them, and that he was too selfless. With Cole, the story was more than the belt. There was the question of "can Cole win?", but there was also the question "will Cole and MJF stay friends?" and related to that, "will Cole do what he was almost always done and take the low road?". Also Cole, unlike Bryan, has shown that he can get the job done in AEW with him winning the Owen Hart last year. We also know Cole would have won at Wembley if he had took advantage of Roddy Strong taking Max to Dick Kick City, but he decided he wanted to win without cheating and that his friendship with MJF was more important than picking up a tainted victory, which in the past Adam would have no problem with. By contrast, the story with Shinsuke was all about him being able to get it done, and just like 5 years ago, in similar circumstances, Shinsuke failed to get it done once again. While the MJF/Cole story feels like something that we haven't seen before and we have no idea where it's going, we know where the story with Shinsuke is going to lead, and it's a story we have seen before, and it's also a follow up thing, because after Shinsuke loses, where does he go from this? So yes, it is the follow up and getting people to care about what Shinsuke does next.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 3, 2023 8:49:33 GMT -5
I couldn't give less of a shit about it continuing when the dude is never going to win the title. Dude should have gotten out of WWE when he had the chance, he just has a very noticeable ceiling and has for years... but it's an easy bag to get so I can't fault him for it. Why should he have gotten out? Because he didn’t win a world title yet?
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Post by clc on Sept 3, 2023 8:52:35 GMT -5
The bad back story was added to make us think maybe Shinsuke can win. He couldn't win against a crippled Seth. Seth waiting a few moments before pinning him doubly made Shinsuke look bad.
I guess no WWE world title for Shinsuke ever. He's in good company with the likes of Ted Dibiase, Rick Rude, Mr Perfect, Vader, and of course...Lex Luger!
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 3, 2023 8:59:17 GMT -5
I don't think WWE hated Roddy Piper, or Jake Roberts, or Scott Hall, or (if we're not counting the time he bought the championship from Andre) Ted Dibiase. As much as it might suck when your guy doesn't hold the top belt, I think it adds to the allure of the championship that some of the best wrestlers ever came super-close but never actually attained it. I agree and it shouldn't be one where everybody who gets over or is a good performer gets the title, because not only does that make the title mean less, but it makes your big guys mean less because you don't HAVE those same megastars- something which EVERY sport hinges on for marketing purposes. Case in point, football media desperately trying to make Mbappe/Haaland the new Messi/Ronaldo because having those mega names sells better than the previous era where you rarely saw someone win 2 Ballon Dors, 3 was GOAT-tier. Or how boxing and MMA tend to sell best when there's a few mega names in each division having dominant runs, rather than ultra-even competitive divisions with the title changing often. Having a smaller crop of super-elite guys is always better for marketing. That said, when Jinder, Swagger, etc. have held a World Title, or even guys like in all honesty, Balor or Owens, who for me are midcard-upper midcard talent, it does become hard to understand why Nakamura's not had a similar run.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 3, 2023 9:17:23 GMT -5
The bad back story was added to make us think maybe Shinsuke can win. He couldn't win against a crippled Seth. Seth waiting a few moments before pinning him doubly made Shinsuke look bad. I guess no WWE world title for Shinsuke ever. He's in good company with the likes of Ted Dibiase, Rick Rude, Mr Perfect, Vader, and of course...Lex Luger! None of them had a defeat as bad as Nakamura had when he lost against Jinder Mahal after that racist promo. There was no excuse not to have Shinsuke destroy Mahal.
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Post by clc on Sept 3, 2023 9:18:44 GMT -5
Yeah, all those greats to "never had the belt" were in the old Hogan era. There was one belt, and it was usually around The Hulkster.
For Nakamura to not have won a world level belt in the era of multiple belts, 2 shows, and short runs is less forgivable. Especially given how popular he was when Jinder just had to be champ for some reason. Then Jinder went full racist, and still came out the winner of their feud. Then they right the ship with the Rumble win. But rather than win the title at Wrestlemania they decided a 3 month long story about punching testicles would make for better TV.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 3, 2023 10:19:59 GMT -5
I couldn't give less of a shit about it continuing when the dude is never going to win the title. Dude should have gotten out of WWE when he had the chance, he just has a very noticeable ceiling and has for years... but it's an easy bag to get so I can't fault him for it. Im under the impression that he’s happy to just get the bag of cash, and surf. Same. And if that's the case, good for him. As long as he's comfortable and happy, that's kinda all that matters
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Post by J is Justice on Sept 3, 2023 10:23:38 GMT -5
The problem is Seth hasn't held the belt for five million years yet. He's got to at least hold it for that long or people won't take his reign seriously, and we might actually get invested in title matches again where we think anyone can win!!!
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 3, 2023 10:37:36 GMT -5
Im under the impression that he’s happy to just get the bag of cash, and surf. Same. And if that's the case, good for him. As long as he's comfortable and happy, that's kinda all that matters You can be glad that he's happy in the WWE and still be disappointed that he hasn't won a top title, looks like yesterday will be the only time he will main event a WWE PPV and is going to go down as the kayfabe biggest bottle job in WWE history. That's where I'm at.
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Post by mc74 on Sept 3, 2023 10:55:31 GMT -5
I've pretty much accepted long ago that Nakamura was never going to win a world title. He'll have his title reigns in the upper mid-card and some matches at the main event level, but when it comes to feuds like this, he's meant to put over the top talent. That's the role WWE has for him.
Would've preferred him to have at least one world title run to his name, but it is what it is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 3, 2023 10:55:44 GMT -5
A real shot in the balls to all the Nakamura fans. Expert Jones over here... Yeah, but the scientific term is “yambag”.
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Post by XIII on Sept 3, 2023 12:21:05 GMT -5
Call him SLAPNUTS because he keeps on choking.
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Post by Garyspivey on Sept 3, 2023 13:07:53 GMT -5
Call him SLAPNUTS because he keeps on choking. I thought that was his gimmick with AJ
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 3, 2023 13:17:50 GMT -5
Expert Jones over here... Yeah, but the scientific term is “yambag”. Yeah! I sawhr it! Shoulda worn a cup!
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