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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 3, 2023 15:22:50 GMT -5
I couldn't give less of a shit about it continuing when the dude is never going to win the title. Dude should have gotten out of WWE when he had the chance, he just has a very noticeable ceiling and has for years... but it's an easy bag to get so I can't fault him for it. Why should he have gotten out? Because he didn’t win a world title yet? Because he hit a ceiling and has felt like he's done all he can do in the company after what 8 years there? A fresh start wouldn't have been a bad thing imo, especially because it's not "yet", he's never winning a world title, they've made that perfectly clear.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 3, 2023 16:51:23 GMT -5
I will never get this attitude. Thanks to EoE for always being the voice of reason when these threads come up. This is an especially weird case because the feud is continuing?
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Sept 3, 2023 17:43:15 GMT -5
CHOKE ARTISTS and LOSERS and DORKS and BITCHES.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 3, 2023 18:10:01 GMT -5
I will never get this attitude. Thanks to EoE for always being the voice of reason when these threads come up. This is an especially weird case because the feud is continuing? It really shouldn't, Shinsuke lost, in kayfabe there is no way in the blue hells he has earned or deserves another title shot, especially a record of choking that makes the early 1990s Buffalo Bills look clutch. Dude couldn't beat Seth, who had a wrecked back, and judging that he has failed many, many, many times before, there is nothing that suggests he can get the job done. The whole feud just feels like filler, and it's hard to get invested in it when the outcome looks like a foregone conclusion and Shinsuke has failed so many times before.
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Post by Error on Sept 3, 2023 18:29:04 GMT -5
Probably a LMS match since, ya know, Seth can't stand because of his back.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 3, 2023 20:25:07 GMT -5
I will never get this attitude. Thanks to EoE for always being the voice of reason when these threads come up. This is an especially weird case because the feud is continuing? It really shouldn't, Shinsuke lost, in kayfabe there is no way in the blue hells he has earned or deserves another title shot, especially a record of choking that makes the early 1990s Buffalo Bills look clutch. Dude couldn't beat Seth, who had a wrecked back, and judging that he has failed many, many, many times before, there is nothing that suggests he can get the job done. The whole feud just feels like filler, and it's hard to get invested in it when the outcome looks like a foregone conclusion and Shinsuke has failed so many times before. So we shouldn't have multi-match feuds anymore?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 3, 2023 21:03:25 GMT -5
My argument isn’t necessarily that it’s not bad booking for Nakamura to keep having these shots just to lose them, I’m just wanting to know why it’s meant to be an actual personal attack towards him.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 3, 2023 21:06:09 GMT -5
It really shouldn't, Shinsuke lost, in kayfabe there is no way in the blue hells he has earned or deserves another title shot, especially a record of choking that makes the early 1990s Buffalo Bills look clutch. Dude couldn't beat Seth, who had a wrecked back, and judging that he has failed many, many, many times before, there is nothing that suggests he can get the job done. The whole feud just feels like filler, and it's hard to get invested in it when the outcome looks like a foregone conclusion and Shinsuke has failed so many times before. So we shouldn't have multi-match feuds anymore? No, course not. Just with this feud, Rollins won the match decisively and Nakamura has such a wretched record in top title matches that it's hard to get excited for any more matches between them when you know he is going to bottle it.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 4, 2023 13:54:12 GMT -5
IDK he has good matches when given time. I don't care that he may not win if it means he has interesting matches like that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 4, 2023 19:57:19 GMT -5
So Seth offered him a rematch tonight, the dude is literally crippled and Adam Pearce told him not even to show up
And what does Shinsuke do? He just... says no, repeatedly, and then they get into a brawl that shows Seth literally can't fight and is in fact crippled due to his back issue
Nakamura passed up the easiest title match of all time for... reasons, I guess? Dude is actually the biggest choke artist of all time, completely asinine booking lol
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 4, 2023 22:52:06 GMT -5
So Seth offered him a rematch tonight, the dude is literally crippled and Adam Pearce told him not even to show up And what does Shinsuke do? He just... says no, repeatedly, and then they get into a brawl that shows Seth literally can't fight and is in fact crippled due to his back issue Nakamura passed up the easiest title match of all time for... reasons, I guess? Dude is actually the biggest choke artist of all time, completely asinine booking lol Does he take Cody's spot in Bitchhalla now, esp. since Cody beating Brock has freed him from Bitchhalla's grasp?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 4, 2023 23:13:35 GMT -5
The whole, "Why do you care when people lose over and over and over and over and over and over and think it ruins people's credibility?" viewpoint always completely baffles me. It's like I'm being told I'm wrong to care about story consistency and continuity.
End of the day this character is a non-threat as he's positioned. Every time he's given a chance to ascend to the next level he gets his ass kicked. How am I supposed to be invested in that past a certain point?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 4, 2023 23:19:48 GMT -5
IDK he has good matches when given time. I don't care that he may not win if it means he has interesting matches like that. Does he though? To each their own but I thought that was a perfectly fine match but not on the level of most main events. He just isn't a top tier worker anymore. The dude is a Hall of Famer but there are so many guys who are having better matches now that he can't just be someone you send out to put on a show. He needs credibility or a hot angle or something. And this hasn't been that for me.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Sept 4, 2023 23:49:16 GMT -5
It really shouldn't, Shinsuke lost, in kayfabe there is no way in the blue hells he has earned or deserves another title shot, especially a record of choking that makes the early 1990s Buffalo Bills look clutch. Dude couldn't beat Seth, who had a wrecked back, and judging that he has failed many, many, many times before, there is nothing that suggests he can get the job done. The whole feud just feels like filler, and it's hard to get invested in it when the outcome looks like a foregone conclusion and Shinsuke has failed so many times before. So we shouldn't have multi-match feuds anymore? Yes. That's 100% the issue. If you remove: who the challenger is how Vince has historically presented him ala his history of bad booking including a Jinder Mahal feud that practically ruined him including never winning world title matches even after character changing heel turns floating along from heatless feud to heatless feud then climbing out of that in the past few weeks making him a credible threat again Seth's back issues plot thread giving Nakamura new life with vignettes and new badass manga-esque video packages and then he jobs out to one of the worst stomps ever and Seth taking 400 years to make the cover making Shinsuke look bad once again Then yes, it's 'we don't like multi-match feuds' absolutely. The extremist perspective without taking anything else from the last few years into account as far as storytelling, or presentation, is the culprit.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 5, 2023 0:15:42 GMT -5
Hey choked so badly that he said no instead of yes to get his rematch. I mean wow how much you must choke to confuse yes and no
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 5, 2023 0:54:54 GMT -5
Hey choked so badly that he said no instead of yes to get his rematch. I mean wow how much you must choke to confuse yes and no And then he lost via DQ to Ricochet Whole thing was completely f***ing baffling, like Vince-level weird booking decisions back to back.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Sept 5, 2023 1:09:59 GMT -5
Why should he have gotten out? Because he didn’t win a world title yet? Because he hit a ceiling and has felt like he's done all he can do in the company after what 8 years there? A fresh start wouldn't have been a bad thing imo, especially because it's not "yet", he's never winning a world title, they've made that perfectly clear. How many guys who that has been said about, have left WWE and won world titles in major companies? Or look remotely likely to do so? Jon Moxley and...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 5, 2023 1:15:04 GMT -5
Because he hit a ceiling and has felt like he's done all he can do in the company after what 8 years there? A fresh start wouldn't have been a bad thing imo, especially because it's not "yet", he's never winning a world title, they've made that perfectly clear. How many guys who that has been said about, have left WWE and won world titles in major companies? Or look remotely likely to do so? Jon Moxley and... I mean including AEW, Japan, AAA, and Impact there's more than Jon Moxley to that list, including Claudio who has won the ROH World Title twice now, or Cardona who has made a pretty big name for himself in multiple companies. And if you don't think Nakamura wouldn't immediately go back to Japan and win gold then idk, I don't agree, I think he absolutely would. I understand why he likely finishes his career in WWE, just wish we could have seen one last King of Strong Style run elsewhere, doesn't mean it'll happen, was just my own selfish wants, and that's fine if they don't happen, just a silly lament on the possibility lol
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Sept 5, 2023 1:21:32 GMT -5
tonight convinced me that this all ends with up bringing in someone to mentor and beat seth or breaks him down enough for someone else not named priest
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Post by Squirrel Master on Sept 5, 2023 1:42:46 GMT -5
As Nakamura kayfabe knew about Rollins’ back problems, WWE missed the opportunity to recreate Stan Hansen’s Boston Crab submission victory over Rick Martel, with Nakamura in the Hansen role. Quite the dramatic mmoment for sure...At least that’s how I would have booked it, with Nakamura going over. Seth could take such a loss with minimal damage to his good standing.
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