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Post by eJm on Sept 6, 2023 15:28:17 GMT -5
I for one am shocked that the ratings pattern we all expected once WWE PPVs and college football went head to head has in fact happened as expected. It’s obvious now that it should be on another day of the week like… Erm…. Err…. Grapersanfday!
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 6, 2023 15:31:44 GMT -5
Yeah, Collision is going to get absolutely crushed this weekend and you'll have your people like see CM Punk was the only thing keeping AEW afloat! I don't think we can really have any meaningful discussion re: CM Punk as it pertains to Collision's ratings until January. There's also the Wild Card and Divisional Rounds of the NFL playoffs on Saturdays, too.
But yeah, football always hurts wrestling ratings. It hurts Raw on Mondays between MNF and the CFB National Championship game. People shouldn't be surprised it affects Collision, either.
Baseball playoffs start in a few weeks as well. It’s just going to be a tough stretch for a spell.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 6, 2023 15:34:44 GMT -5
This thread's going about as well as expected. Almost like clockwork the exact people in here who are only in here when the numbers are "Alarmingly low" and "Embarrassing" and never in here when they're good or nothing noteworthy happens with them. Every time the numbers cannot be ignored and it is a serious problem, and almost every next week, they normalize and this rhetoric goes away until the next time it happens.
The pattern is exhausting, Collision was put at a time where even if they HAD CM Punk, the numbers would look like this, in fact, THEY DID! Like basically they looked like this entirely as his bumps got less and less impactful for the show. His last week he was outdrawn by Keith Lee even
The show will need to rebuild and restructure especially if Punk's fans leave sure, but it's for the best given what CM Punk turned out to be. Just gotta cut the losses and buckle down and basically be aware that a lot of people are gonna be DVRing this show with College Football constantly running against it, let alone when a WWE PPV does
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 6, 2023 15:35:59 GMT -5
I for one am shocked that the ratings pattern we all expected once WWE PPVs and college football went head to head has in fact happened as expected. It’s obvious now that it should be on another day of the week like… Erm…. Err…. Grapersanfday! I actually think Saturday at 6 might've been a slightly better idea, mainly because it'd have avoided the prime time College Games.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 6, 2023 15:39:45 GMT -5
Does college football usually run that late? Those games tend to be during the afternoon. The feature game of the week, including Alabama v. Texas, tends to kickoff at 7:00 p.m. EST. It's going to do an absolutely monstrous rating and there's no question it will affect Collision's rating. Makes sense, though I was thinking from the perspective of the West Coast. It seems the game should only affect the Eastern and maybe Central time zones.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 6, 2023 16:21:52 GMT -5
The feature game of the week, including Alabama v. Texas, tends to kickoff at 7:00 p.m. EST. It's going to do an absolutely monstrous rating and there's no question it will affect Collision's rating. Makes sense, though I was thinking from the perspective of the West Coast. It seems the game should only affect the Eastern and maybe Central time zones. It'll run from 7:00 EST until probably 10:30 EST, so it'll affect East, Central, and Mountain, briefly, but not Pacific (assuming that Collision doesn't air live in those time zones, I was always under the impression that it did). But teams like USC and UCLA often play at 7:00 PST, so there will still be college football competition.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Sept 6, 2023 17:30:20 GMT -5
I for one am shocked that the ratings pattern we all expected once WWE PPVs and college football went head to head has in fact happened as expected. No show in AEW history has ever lost 48% of their viewership from the opening quarter to the last. It’s not just competition.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 6, 2023 17:42:30 GMT -5
I for one am shocked that the ratings pattern we all expected once WWE PPVs and college football went head to head has in fact happened as expected. No show in AEW history has ever lost 48% of their viewership from the opening quarter to the last. It’s not just competition. Yes, it was also the fact that there was curiosity over how they would handle the Punk situation. But the competition played a very large role as those folks had other things they planned on watching.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 6, 2023 17:45:25 GMT -5
No show in AEW history has ever lost 48% of their viewership from the opening quarter to the last. It’s not just competition. Yes, it was also the fact that there was curiosity over how they would handle the Punk situation. But the competition played a very large role as those folks had other things they planned on watching. I can believe that people bought the WWE PPV but tuned in to the very opening seconds of Collision to see if anything was said about Punk because all they'd be missing was Michael Cole talking and maybe an entrance or two during that time. We'll really need to see what next week's ratings say and where they are. The stories to ratings are in trends more than in one single show.
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Post by firsttimelongtime on Sept 6, 2023 17:51:47 GMT -5
No show in AEW history has ever lost 48% of their viewership from the opening quarter to the last. It’s not just competition. Yes, it was also the fact that there was curiosity over how they would handle the Punk situation. But the competition played a very large role as those folks had other things they planned on watching. The numbers are really unflattering when you dig in. Take the night of Summerslam: did 417k for the whole show but started out with 427k viewers. The q8 with Punk in the main event did 474k viewers. This week’s Collision started with a higher 472k viewers and ended with 244k viewers. Maybe making Danielson exclusive to Saturdays and booking everything around him like they did Punk will work. It would for me, AmDrag is one of my all time favorites. And I hope it does because if Collision is doing Powerslap numbers WBD won’t pay for it.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Sept 6, 2023 18:30:55 GMT -5
You know, when Collision was announced, and it was established that it was gonna be The Punk Show, I saw so many people online saying stuff like "oh, we're finally gonna have REAL wrestlers on a show like Ricky Starks, FTR, Darby Allin, Miro, and Hobbs!"
Funny thing is, all those guys are still in AEW. In fact, most of them were on this episode of Collision. So why didn't all these die-hard "real wrestling fans" not stick around and watch them?
Answer: they never gave a damn about any of them to begin with. They liked guys like FTR and Starks because they were in Punk's orbit. So now that Punk is gone, they don't care about any of these guys.
You can even see this in other metrics. If you look at the quarterly ratings of Collision episodes where Punk was in a segment before the main event, there's always a marked 50-60k drop as soon as Punk's segment ends. On YouTube, Punk-related Collision videos regularly get 800k+, while every other video struggles to break 300k.
One side of the coin says "wow, look how big a draw Punk is!" The other side says "there's a very large portion of Punk fans that do not care at all about anything AEW-related that doesn't have Punk in it". And are those the fans you wanna cater to? The fans that only care about one guy, and who will leave the moment that guy is gone? Because Punk was always gonna leave, eventually. Either he was gonna retire in AEW, or he was gonna leave for one reason or another, and they were always gonna leave with him.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 6, 2023 18:36:23 GMT -5
WBD has not been known for their top notch decision making so I wouldn't be too surprised if they thought having a Dynamite esque show on Saturday would do just as well or even close to it when faced with this level of competition. But it is what it is. The real solution of WBD is serious about giving AEW a second two hour show in primetime is to have them go on either TNT or TBS on Thursday nights at 8 PM. And even when basketball is on, you can have it go on after and get a good sized lead in or just move it to one of your sister networks. Obviously Monday/Tuesday/Friday are difficult with WWE competition so it seems like the best route.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 6, 2023 18:41:49 GMT -5
Saturday is a crappy day, but it's not like AEW exactly has a lot of options either. Tuesday and Thursday are the only other real options. With Tuesday, you're reenacting the NXT vs AEW "war" of 2019. And with Thursday, you're directly competing with a friendly company and either force them to move timeslots yet again and/or torch that relationship outright.
And that's also not considering whatever original programming TBS or TNT would already possibly air in those slots.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 18:42:52 GMT -5
WBD has not been known for their top notch decision making so I wouldn't be too surprised if they thought having a Dynamite esque show on Saturday would do just as well or even close to it when faced with this level of competition. But it is what it is. The real solution of WBD is serious about giving AEW a second two hour show in primetime is to have them go on either TNT or TBS on Thursday nights at 8 PM. And even when basketball is on, you can have it go on after and get a good sized lead in or just move it to one of your sister networks. Obviously Monday/Tuesday/Friday are difficult with WWE competition so it seems like the best route. Does Dynamite do okay when it does not have the Big Bang lead in? I have always wondered how much of a buffer that is considering they seem to keep most of that audience. With the lead in in mind is there another tv property under their umbrella they could slot before Collision with that much care free watching appeal?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 6, 2023 18:44:44 GMT -5
WBD has not been known for their top notch decision making so I wouldn't be too surprised if they thought having a Dynamite esque show on Saturday would do just as well or even close to it when faced with this level of competition. But it is what it is. The real solution of WBD is serious about giving AEW a second two hour show in primetime is to have them go on either TNT or TBS on Thursday nights at 8 PM. And even when basketball is on, you can have it go on after and get a good sized lead in or just move it to one of your sister networks. Obviously Monday/Tuesday/Friday are difficult with WWE competition so it seems like the best route. Does Dynamite do okay when it does not have the Big Bang lead in? I have always wondered how much of a buffer that is considering they seem to keep most of that audience. Yes, the Big Bang Theory lead in mattered a bit when they first moved but has since had little correlation with the Dynamite number. There was one show a few weeks ago where Dave noted they had one of the lowest ratings for a Big Bang Theory episode coming in and the Dynamite show did a great rating. But obviously if you have a March Madness or NBA game, there will be some folks who stick around and boost your number a bit (see SmackDown that followed the NFL a few years ago).
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Sept 6, 2023 19:05:30 GMT -5
I for one am shocked that the ratings pattern we all expected once WWE PPVs and college football went head to head has in fact happened as expected. No show in AEW history has ever lost 48% of their viewership from the opening quarter to the last. It’s not just competition. I feel like there were some extenuating circumstances last week that could explain that anomaly, but that’s just me.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 6, 2023 22:43:51 GMT -5
I genuinely don't think these numbers mean much of anything in a vaccum. Punk being fired was big news, that had just broken before that show aired. I'm sure that a lot of people tuned in to see how it would be addressed, then flipped back over to watching the battle of the Carolinas. Nothing about that screams that people tuned out because they were outraged that Punk got fired, or something. More that they tuned in to see the fallout, but had other things to watch afterwards. If the Collision number stays 100,000ish lower than "usual" come January, then I think it will be fair to say that Punk was an inordinate "draw." agree to disagree...There is too much here with all of this to just brush it aside as we always do with AEW. I’d say people definitely tuned in to see the fallout of Punk getting fired and seeing if it was mentioned. I find it highly improbable people tuned out because they thought Punk would be on and then learned Punk was gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 23:17:49 GMT -5
agree to disagree...There is too much here with all of this to just brush it aside as we always do with AEW. I’d say people definitely tuned in to see the fallout of Punk getting fired and seeing if it was mentioned. I find it highly improbable people tuned out because they thought Punk would be on and then learned Punk was gone. Oh yeah I just meant the ratings not Punk's effect on them...There likely were some people mad that may have shut the TV off but they will be back next week... I just don't know what you do with Collision or Rampage either for that matter right now in a traditional TV standpoint to pull more attention. A major part of that show was cut that included the "real world" title angle and the Owen Hart tourney ramifications and everything... Certainly more advertising wouldn't hurt i guess especially since WBD appears to be pretty satisfied even through the turmoil.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 23:38:56 GMT -5
I did find it hilarious that Dave decided it necessary to point this out
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 7, 2023 0:36:03 GMT -5
I can't be that shocked that Dennis Rodman in 2023 didn't really move a needle lol
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