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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 18, 2023 9:31:48 GMT -5
Something I find troublesome is when so many come out and say that this was really well known and nothing was seemingly done. Remember the Cosby thing was brought to many peoples' attention by Hannibal Burress-that's where I first heard of it anyway, otherwise this is a story filled with those who supposedly knew about it and others who have been name checked and again, nothing is happening to them as of right now It all comes down to covering one's own ass from a legal standpoint. If you know about something but can't prove it, you're almost guaranteed to end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit. Once something becomes public, especially in a situation like this where the people making the claims are confident they have enough evidence to stave off retaliation, it becomes a lot easier to speak about. Brand will have a harder time trying to sue every comic who has shared tales of his scumbaggery when there appears to be mountains of evidence attesting to the things he's done.
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Post by ejm olmos on Sept 18, 2023 9:36:04 GMT -5
Absolutely vile.
Boy that movie Death on the Nile that came out a year or two ago really had a pair on their hands when they cast Brand and fellow accused creep Armie Hammer.
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Post by thechase on Sept 18, 2023 10:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 18, 2023 10:04:46 GMT -5
Interestingly, Errol Musk was a prominent member of the Progressive Party, the only real white opposition to apartheid in the South African parliament. With that in mind, you would have hoped that Elon would know better than to start buying into white genocide bullshit. I mean, Errol still bought an emerald mine after leaving the Progressive Party and had two kids with a step-daughter 40 years his junior. It's not like he's a paragon of virtue either. And Musk's grandfather was a founder of the Canadian equivalent of the Nazi party. He also admired South Africa's apartheid and that's how the Musk family ended up there.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 18, 2023 10:32:15 GMT -5
And the Met have received another allegation against Brand, this one from 2003, which is not the same year as any of the previous allegations.
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Post by Renslayer on Sept 18, 2023 10:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2023 11:34:35 GMT -5
Absolutely vile. Boy that movie Death on the Nile that came out a year or two ago really had a pair on their hands when they cast Brand and fellow accused creep Armie Hammer. Brand has yet to explain how being outside the mainstream media is compatible with making a movie with a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 18, 2023 11:44:18 GMT -5
And the Met have received another allegation against Brand, this one from 2003, which is not the same year as any of the previous allegations. So people have asked, in bad faith obviously, why these things don’t come up around the timeframe? Well, it’s basically to do with the fact that people in those situations never know they’re not the only one until a bigger amount of people step forward. And as we’ve seen countless times, when the floodgates open…
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 18, 2023 12:09:24 GMT -5
Guys, I don’t know what makes you think we can actively talk about political parties in the thread, but it’s not happening here. Sorry.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2023 12:21:34 GMT -5
Guys, I don’t know what makes you think we can actively talk about political parties in the thread, but it’s not happening here. Sorry. It hasn't existed since 1975. It's about as active as the Vietnam War.
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Post by salz4life on Sept 18, 2023 12:33:55 GMT -5
And the Met have received another allegation against Brand, this one from 2003, which is not the same year as any of the previous allegations. So people have asked, in bad faith obviously, why these things don’t come up around the timeframe? Well, it’s basically to do with the fact that people in those situations never know they’re not the only one until a bigger amount of people step forward. And as we’ve seen countless times, when the floodgates open… I used to be one of those people that asked why did the assaulted people take so long to come forward. Just some simple reading and thought led me to understanding why. People that continue to ask those questions don't seem to understand THEY are one of the reasons.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2023 12:43:16 GMT -5
People usually do come forward earlier to report abuse, but find themselves being blocked, ignored, and silenced by institutional protection of the rich and powerful
Ironically, many of the abusers who claim that cancel culture exists, are the beneficiaries of it.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 18, 2023 12:43:30 GMT -5
And the Met have received another allegation against Brand, this one from 2003, which is not the same year as any of the previous allegations. So people have asked, in bad faith obviously, why these things don’t come up around the timeframe? Well, it’s basically to do with the fact that people in those situations never know they’re not the only one until a bigger amount of people step forward. And as we’ve seen countless times, when the floodgates open… And victims see recent things like MeToo, Bill Cosby, Masterson, and Larry Nassar, and victims get the courage to speak up. Because if those monsters can be brought to justice, maybe the one who did it to them can be brought to justice.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 18, 2023 12:47:04 GMT -5
People that continue to ask those questions don't seem to understand THEY are one of the reasons. I think in many cases – probably the overwhelming majority – they understand perfectly well. Their reasons for acting the way they do may not be uniform, be it victim-blaming or outright not believing the accusations, but it's too simple a concept for them not to understand at a certain point.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 18, 2023 12:49:34 GMT -5
And the Met have received another allegation against Brand, this one from 2003, which is not the same year as any of the previous allegations. So people have asked, in bad faith obviously, why these things don’t come up around the timeframe? Well, it’s basically to do with the fact that people in those situations never know they’re not the only one until a bigger amount of people step forward. And as we’ve seen countless times, when the floodgates open… Much lie with Cosby and Sabille, the victims DID come forward at the time. No one took it seriously.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 18, 2023 12:58:57 GMT -5
So people have asked, in bad faith obviously, why these things don’t come up around the timeframe? Well, it’s basically to do with the fact that people in those situations never know they’re not the only one until a bigger amount of people step forward. And as we’ve seen countless times, when the floodgates open… I used to be one of those people that asked why did the assaulted people take so long to come forward. Just some simple reading and thought led me to understanding why. People that continue to ask those questions don't seem to understand THEY are one of the reasons. I had moments where I was the same way in the past, I won’t lie. Heck, SpeakingOut involved a few people I had met whilst training in wrestling who were nothing but nice to me when I met them, whether through shows or in actual training but there comes a point where you think that there’s less motivation for someone to lie about what they went through than there is to just pretend all is fine or not be involved with not much explaination.
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Sept 18, 2023 13:39:32 GMT -5
Guys, I don’t know what makes you think we can actively talk about political parties in the thread, but it’s not happening here. Sorry. My fault, sorry. I didn't mean to start anything dodgy.
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Post by ejm olmos on Sept 18, 2023 13:48:33 GMT -5
I wonder which celebrities will destroy their reputations by writings letters in his defense. I mean Mila Kunis did star with him in Forgetting Sarah Marshall…
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 18, 2023 14:20:56 GMT -5
Something I find troublesome is when so many come out and say that this was really well known and nothing was seemingly done. Remember the Cosby thing was brought to many peoples' attention by Hannibal Burress-that's where I first heard of it anyway, otherwise this is a story filled with those who supposedly knew about it and others who have been name checked and again, nothing is happening to them as of right now I think it all depends on how much they knew. I can think of a couple of occasions (both work and social) where there's been a guy all of the women have been told to stay away from. So we knew something was up, but nobody ever said what. It's usually assumed that the guy says awful things or might get a bit handsy and although these are both awful and should be dealt with, they're not on the level of rape. There's also the problem that although the vast majority of people would agree rape is wrong, there are a lot of people out there that think innuendo and a hand in the wrong place is nothing to punish a guy over. It's just banter! He doesn't mean anything by it! I may be speaking from bitter experience here.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 18, 2023 14:34:24 GMT -5
Guys, I don’t know what makes you think we can actively talk about political parties in the thread, but it’s not happening here. Sorry. It hasn't existed since 1975. It's about as active as the Vietnam War. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t matter. It’s still too deep into the political weeds.
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