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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 18, 2023 15:20:14 GMT -5
Guys, I don’t know what makes you think we can actively talk about political parties in the thread, but it’s not happening here. Sorry. My fault, sorry. I didn't mean to start anything dodgy. No, that's okay, just be careful next time.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 18, 2023 15:22:11 GMT -5
People usually do come forward earlier to report abuse, but find themselves being blocked, ignored, and silenced by institutional protection of the rich and powerful Ironically, many of the abusers who claim that cancel culture exists, are the beneficiaries of it.See also, the "free speech absolutist" who spend tens of billions of dollars to turn one of the largest social media sites in the world into his own personal soapbox, while silencing those who hurt his feelings, up to and including whole media organizations.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 18, 2023 15:23:49 GMT -5
People usually do come forward earlier to report abuse, but find themselves being blocked, ignored, and silenced by institutional protection of the rich and powerful Ironically, many of the abusers who claim that cancel culture exists, are the beneficiaries of it.See also, the "free speech absolutist" who spend tens of billions of dollars to turn one of the largest social media sites in the world into his own personal soapbox, while silencing those who hurt his feelings, up to and including whole media organizations. "Things for me but not for thee" is a trademark personality trait of these sorts of people. They don't care about if it's complete hypocrisy. It's all about unlimited privilege for them and no one else.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 18, 2023 15:48:17 GMT -5
With Russell Brand he was protected by britain's brutal libel laws, which would be an absolute nightmare for any victim or advocate to navigate, which is why it's taken years of investigation from journalists and outlets familiar with the legal sword of damocles hanging over accusers here, who know how to navigate it with surgical precision. Take his american victim, she was faced with the prospect of having to go through the humiliating treatment so many rape victims are subjected to by law enforcement on both sides of the atlantic with no guarantee of a prosecution despite the evidence, let's not forget that Andrew Tate left messages admitting to rape in the UK and the legal system still effed that up. Then there's the horrors of a traumatised person facing being made into a public figure and dragged through the mud by his friends in the UK media, and maybe being sued for libel in a foreign land where every single detail would be laid out for all the world to see and poked through by uncaring solicitors who want to create as much doubt as possible and judges with 19th century attire and beliefs to match. Also lets not forget, as a cherry atop that dungheap sundae, she would be subjected to continual savage attacks by his cult of personality online, something that has become even more unhinged since he pivoted into the conspiracy space.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2023 16:40:55 GMT -5
It'll be amusing watching Fox News and Talk TV addressing this, since they'd have discredit their own boss to do it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 19, 2023 2:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 19, 2023 2:34:17 GMT -5
Okay, how about just banning his stupid ass entirely? He violates TOS on a continual basis anyway. Oh wait, it's because they're going to remonetize him just as soon as it blows over like they keep doing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 19, 2023 2:44:58 GMT -5
Okay, how about just banning his stupid ass entirely? He violates TOS on a continual basis anyway. Oh wait, it's because they're going to remonetize him just as soon as it blows over like they keep doing. I took a look at his YouTube page, and I feel like I need a shower. The man's trying to be Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, and Geeks + Gamers all rolled into one horrifying mockney package. It's almost a wonder he hasn't openly jumped on the transphobia wagon.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 19, 2023 2:59:52 GMT -5
They'll quietly remonetise him after a month or so despite nothing changing about his behaviour. They've gotten a headline that makes it look like they're doing something, that's all that matters, see Matt Walsh, Steven Crowder and so many others.
Only way demonetisation will stick is if he pivots to making pro-lgbtq+ content, YouTube love removing ads permanently from that.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 19, 2023 3:05:20 GMT -5
Okay, how about just banning his stupid ass entirely? He violates TOS on a continual basis anyway. Oh wait, it's because they're going to remonetize him just as soon as it blows over like they keep doing. I took a look at his YouTube page, and I feel like I need a shower. The man's trying to be Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, and Geeks + Gamers all rolled into one horrifying mockney package. It's almost a wonder he hasn't openly jumped on the transphobia wagon. He's been pretty smart in repeating alt-right talking points for his audience, while avoiding saying anything TOO consequential which would completely kill his career. He seems to have avoidied race-issues and trans-issues. I assume just in case he had a chance to salvage his television career at a later date. Although, persoanlly--the pro-Russian and pushing pro-Kremlin conspiracies should carry the same weight of consequence as being racist or transphobic, since you're literally supporting a regime that has murdered thousands of people in Ukraine.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 19, 2023 3:24:28 GMT -5
I took a look at his YouTube page, and I feel like I need a shower. The man's trying to be Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, and Geeks + Gamers all rolled into one horrifying mockney package. It's almost a wonder he hasn't openly jumped on the transphobia wagon. He's been pretty smart in repeating alt-right talking points for his audience, while avoiding saying anything TOO consequential which would completely kill his career. He seems to have avoidied race-issues and trans-issues. I assume just in case he had a chance to salvage his television career at a later date. Although, persoanlly--the pro-Russian and pushing pro-Kremlin conspiracies should carry the same weight of consequence as being racist or transphobic, since you're literally supporting a regime that has murdered thousands of people in Ukraine. I think it was more to protect his career as a stand-up comedian as he was engaged in a tour which was cancelled when this all broke and he seems like the type of guy who needs the type of validation he gets from a live audience that he'll never get from Rumble or YouTube. Venues won't be as eager to host a comedian who thinks the Bell Curve has good ideas. Also his comedy mates can forgive bad political takes, but being pals with a racist would impact them directly, so he'd lose access to parties and potential victims.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Sept 19, 2023 3:54:20 GMT -5
really? I thought a big company like Youtube would be up for all the lgbt stuff
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 19, 2023 3:57:06 GMT -5
really? I thought a big company like Youtube would be up for all the lgbt stuff They’d be up for bragging that they have inclusive creators. As long as they don’t actually talk about their issues, annoy people and make them lots of money.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 19, 2023 4:25:27 GMT -5
really? I thought a big company like Youtube would be up for all the lgbt stuff Only during pride month, the rest of the year they continually demonetise LGBTQ+ content while open homophobia gets a pass when the creator has over a million subs. www.vox.com/culture/2019/10/10/20893258/youtube-lgbtq-censorship-demonetization-nerd-city-algorithm-reportSmall LGBTQ creators get demonetised and hidden from view, and the appeals process is virtually non existent for smaller creators. They never get the chance to grow to the level their appeals would actually be considered, unless bigger creators take them on as a cause celebre, as nobody can see they exist, and they sure can't make money from YouTube and build a career from it. The deck is stacked gainst LGBTQ+ content, there's a reason the few creators who gained traction in the space are reliant on patreon and subscription services like Nebula to pay the bills.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 19, 2023 5:11:59 GMT -5
With Russell Brand he was protected by britain's brutal libel laws It's not just libel but privacy laws too. Cliff Richard won a lawsuit against BBC for the way they reported false claims against him. That can lead to ridiculous situations like the recent one with Huw Edwards where the it's reported but not names so every man working there is under suspicion. Which means if journalists do report something like this you know there's a strong case. It's all a mess. BBC and police protected Saville. Both then went too far the other way to make up for it and ruined several innocent men's lives (eg Paul Gambaccini). So we essentially have a situation where the guilty can use the past experiences of the innocent as a shield.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 19, 2023 8:05:48 GMT -5
really? I thought a big company like Youtube would be up for all the lgbt stuff They’d be up for bragging that they have inclusive creators. As long as they don’t actually talk about their issues, annoy people and make them lots of money. A bit like Disney, "Hey guys, we totally support LGBT! See, we have the pride flag as our Twitter logo!" while simultaneously making sure any LGBT scenes are small enough and inconsequential enough that they can easily be cut out for the Middle Eastern market.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 19, 2023 8:18:48 GMT -5
They’d be up for bragging that they have inclusive creators. As long as they don’t actually talk about their issues, annoy people and make them lots of money. A bit like Disney, "Hey guys, we totally support LGBT! See, we have the pride flag as our Twitter logo!" while simultaneously making sure any LGBT scenes are small enough and inconsequential enough that they can easily be cut out for the Middle Eastern market. Or in Cartoon Network's case, just cutting out the entire context of a Steven Universe episode so that the Russian Government doesn't get mad. Basically, stay in your lane and we'll swerve in when we need to self congratulate. And then we'll put a oil slick on the road and cause your journey to be hell until it ends.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 19, 2023 11:00:35 GMT -5
A bit like Disney, "Hey guys, we totally support LGBT! See, we have the pride flag as our Twitter logo!" while simultaneously making sure any LGBT scenes are small enough and inconsequential enough that they can easily be cut out for the Middle Eastern market. Or in Cartoon Network's case, just cutting out the entire context of a Steven Universe episode so that the Russian Government doesn't get mad. Basically, stay in your lane and we'll swerve in when we need to self congratulate. And then we'll put a oil slick on the road and cause your journey to be hell until it ends. A youtube channel that reviews movies used the term passive progressive to describe them, and it's a great phrase lol
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Sept 19, 2023 13:20:12 GMT -5
This guy has been a prick in plain sight his whole career. I'm still mystified that his career even survived the Andrew Sachs incident, or the fact that his first response to it was to call the girl in question a "satanic slut" That's not strictly true. Georgina Baillie was actually part of a burlesque group called "Satanic Sluts" under the stage name "Voluptua" - it was an actual thing, not a name used to insult her. Interestingly, she's been asked about the recent accusations and she's not sure. She did mention Brand paid for her to go to rehab after their thing, and her relationship with him was entirely consensual at the time. I suppose it's understandable she isn't as quick to condemn him. People can only speak from their experiences regarding other people. It must be difficult when she credits him with helping her get clean & sober. I'm not having a go here, but I did want to clear this up.
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Post by Rise on Sept 19, 2023 14:20:35 GMT -5
This guy has been a prick in plain sight his whole career. I'm still mystified that his career even survived the Andrew Sachs incident, or the fact that his first response to it was to call the girl in question a "satanic slut" That's not strictly true. Georgina Baillie was actually part of a burlesque group called "Satanic Sluts" under the stage name "Voluptua" - it was an actual thing, not a name used to insult her. Interestingly, she's been asked about the recent accusations and she's not sure. She did mention Brand paid for her to go to rehab after their thing, and her relationship with him was entirely consensual at the time. I suppose it's understandable she isn't as quick to condemn him. People can only speak from their experiences regarding other people. It must be difficult when she credits him with helping her get clean & sober. I'm not having a go here, but I did want to clear this up. I think she did a reasonable job of answering the questions she was asked given her history with him. She was honest about her own experience but got the point across that the evidence is compelling against him, just not her personal experience
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