Jade Cargill Thread: One Year Anniversary!

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

not particularly worried about the botch because shit can happen but I’m a little more iffy on the boo boo face before the match. I had predicted the witches would win and as soon as I saw Jade, I knew they were either losing or Jade was turning heel and they’d give up the titles lmao.

still a big fan but she has a lot to work on. hopefully these two can continue their longer matches and don’t have to win back the titles, they don’t need them as much as the other gals do

[Renslayer]

It turns out the rope jade tried the springboard from was loose. That's a bummer

[The Rick Jericho]

Jun 16, 2024 10:03:02 GMT -5 Renslayer said:

It turns out the rope jade tried the springboard from was loose. That's a bummer

Yeah, there is a video of the ref telling AJ the ropes are loose before his match.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Botches like the springboard happen all the time. It just seems like she (along with a lot of other green talent in WWE) have a hard time adjusting when something goes wrong. Those instincts aren't there. You can see Jade having to think through a lot of her spots so when something is off, it's easy for it to fall apart.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, because I tend to just watch the highlights as I don't watch WWE, but I root for Jade, why is she doing springboard clotheslines. She is a marble statue come to life, she should be booked like a giant, not someone who does Springboards. Is she normally given those spots?

[sassafrastaz]

Jun 16, 2024 11:58:15 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Botches like the springboard happen all the time. It just seems like she (along with a lot of other green talent in WWE) have a hard time adjusting when something goes wrong. Those instincts aren't there. You can see Jade having to think through a lot of her spots so when something is off, it's easy for it to fall apart.

I think a big part of that has to do with how they do things in developmental. I was blown away when I found out, amongst other things, that the wrestlers spend the better part of a week practicing their matches, so they have it down pat for when they do it on TV (at least in theory). I mean, that's fine when your recruits are just starting out and have no wrestling background (i.e. the majority of NIL recruits), but at a certain point, they have to learn to mostly call it in the ring, since that's how they do it on the main roster.

At some point in their training (and preferably before they reach TV), they should get put through situations where if something goes wrong or something unexpectedly comes up, they've practiced it enough that they'll be prepared if/when it happens. I'm pretty sure that's how someone like Rip Rogers does things with his advanced classes. As examples, something like shortly before a match, tell the wrestlers that their three-minute match is now ten because someone got hurt, or the exact opposite if the previous match(es) went too long. Or have a situation where one of, if not all of the ropes are broken, so you have to work around that.

This doesn't necessarily explain Jade, since a good chunk of her training came outside of WWE, but she has been in WWE for about nine months at this point. What have they been doing with her at the Performance Center as far as training is concerned, especially after Trips ripped how she was trained previously? Or is most of her training these days on-the-fly during house shows?

I do think Jade was done a disservice in AEW as far as being given opponents that were mostly of a certain level, causing her to plateau. She never got to face off against the likes of Jamie Hayter, Hikaru Shida, Riho, Toni Storm, Emi Sakura, Serena Deeb, Britt Baker...and she didn't get to face Kris Statlander until near the end of her AEW tenure.

Just as another example of AEW kind of dropping the ball on her...of her 13 matches on AEW Dark/Elevation, all of none of them went past the two-minute mark. Of all the times to have her do long matches to prepare for the future, that would have been the best, as the audience watching those was minimal compared to, say, Dynamite. Instead, she did squash after squash after squash.

I do wish her the best in WWE, even though the only WWE programming I watch is NXT, and even that on occasion can be a slog. I do think at the end of her AEW tenure she was better than given credit for, but as I said earlier, she plateaued.

[clc]

Jun 16, 2024 13:06:12 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, because I tend to just watch the highlights as I don't watch WWE, but I root for Jade, why is she doing springboard clotheslines. She is a marble statue come to life, she should be booked like a giant, not someone who does Springboards. Is she normally given those spots?

She's not really big enough to be a "giant". You can't get away with her doing an Andre-like move set when the roster is full of athletic girls that can do athletic stuff.

She really has not wrestled much, so it's hard to say what she is normally given. With the springboard, she probably was able to do it in practice and it was an unfortunate botch. I'm not going to hold a botched springboard against her unless she constantly keeps botching it.

But botched springboards aside, she really is simply not ready or good enough (yet) for the push they gave her. They billed her as the once in a lifetime generational athlete. That's a lot of hyperbole to live up to when you have a Bianca right there. A Charlotte over there. An Asuka round the corner, an IYO, a Becky, etc. She doesn't even have the promo ability to make up for the lack of ring experience. She has a great look and that's it. You can go to a fitness expo and randomly pull out 100 Jades. You could give some anavar to a cosplay model and make your own Jade in a few months. WWE really dug themselves in a hole with her. They can try and cover it with strong booking, but eventually people will see the emperor has no clothes.

That may seem harsh, but I am only comparing her to the unrealistic standard that WWE told us to compare her to.

[PHD-FENDERBAUM]

This is who she is and some of said exactly this...she is all sizzle no steak.

She is barely if at all any different than she was in AEW with the same level of high level protected booking...if they want that 1 on 1 match with Bianca at Mania she has to sink or swim sooner than later by getting put in matches where she has to be able to perform at a supreme high level and if they have no confidence in that then she needs her ass sent to NXT for the long haul.

[King Devitt: What Plants Crave]

Jun 16, 2024 10:37:50 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Jun 16, 2024 10:03:02 GMT -5 Renslayer said:

It turns out the rope jade tried the springboard from was loose. That's a bummer

Yeah, there is a video of the ref telling AJ the ropes are loose before his match.

Yup, came to say the same thing, since I noticed it right before Cody's music hit.

[Ryushinku]

The springboard was botched, but the AJ, Sami, and particularly Priest matches all had issues with the ropes as well.

After that, she got up and ran through her moves without a problem, and the finish went as planned.

Can't defend the tapping bit, though, that was pretty baffling considering she'd been in submission moves before. Real brain fart moment. I think they should have Baszler make a big issue of it, that she and Stark are owed the belts instead.

[longtimelurker29]

Jun 17, 2024 4:03:37 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

The springboard was botched, but the AJ, Sami, and particularly Priest matches all had issues with the ropes as well.

After that, she got up and ran through her moves without a problem, and the finish went as planned.

Can't defend the tapping bit, though, that was pretty baffling considering she'd been in submission moves before. Real brain fart moment. I think they should have Baszler make a big issue of it, that she and Stark are owed the belts instead.

I think Shayna had the hold in too tight and Jade was trying to tell her it was too tight but it looked like a tap out.

[lionheart21]

Jun 17, 2024 6:56:17 GMT -5 longtimelurker29 said:

Jun 17, 2024 4:03:37 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

The springboard was botched, but the AJ, Sami, and particularly Priest matches all had issues with the ropes as well.

After that, she got up and ran through her moves without a problem, and the finish went as planned.

Can't defend the tapping bit, though, that was pretty baffling considering she'd been in submission moves before. Real brain fart moment. I think they should have Baszler make a big issue of it, that she and Stark are owed the belts instead.

I think Shayna had the hold in too tight and Jade was trying to tell her it was too tight but it looked like a tap out.

Didn’t help that the commentary called attention to it.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

[A Little Doo Doo]

Jun 17, 2024 10:51:02 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Bad news for the Shayde shippers.

[Feargus McReddit]

Jun 17, 2024 4:03:37 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

The springboard was botched, but the AJ, Sami, and particularly Priest matches all had issues with the ropes as well.

After that, she got up and ran through her moves without a problem, and the finish went as planned.

Can't defend the tapping bit, though, that was pretty baffling considering she'd been in submission moves before. Real brain fart moment. I think they should have Baszler make a big issue of it, that she and Stark are owed the belts instead.

Still super weird that, like, nobody sorted out the ropes problem after the first match it affected.

I've been to indie shows where any moment after a match they can tweak the ropes to make them tighter so I don't know what possible excuse WWE had.

[06vwgti]

Did WWE hire Michael Nakazawa to handle the ring rope maintenance?

[asuka007]

Jun 17, 2024 6:56:17 GMT -5 longtimelurker29 said:

Jun 17, 2024 4:03:37 GMT -5 Ryushinku said:

The springboard was botched, but the AJ, Sami, and particularly Priest matches all had issues with the ropes as well.

After that, she got up and ran through her moves without a problem, and the finish went as planned.

Can't defend the tapping bit, though, that was pretty baffling considering she'd been in submission moves before. Real brain fart moment. I think they should have Baszler make a big issue of it, that she and Stark are owed the belts instead.

I think Shayna had the hold in too tight and Jade was trying to tell her it was too tight but it looked like a tap out.

The commentators drawing attention to it did not help either.

["Magic" Mark Hurr]

Jun 16, 2024 14:44:59 GMT -5 sassafrastaz said:

Jun 16, 2024 11:58:15 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Botches like the springboard happen all the time. It just seems like she (along with a lot of other green talent in WWE) have a hard time adjusting when something goes wrong. Those instincts aren't there. You can see Jade having to think through a lot of her spots so when something is off, it's easy for it to fall apart.

I think a big part of that has to do with how they do things in developmental. I was blown away when I found out, amongst other things, that the wrestlers spend the better part of a week practicing their matches, so they have it down pat for when they do it on TV (at least in theory). I mean, that's fine when your recruits are just starting out and have no wrestling background (i.e. the majority of NIL recruits), but at a certain point, they have to learn to mostly call it in the ring, since that's how they do it on the main roster.

At some point in their training (and preferably before they reach TV), they should get put through situations where if something goes wrong or something unexpectedly comes up, they've practiced it enough that they'll be prepared if/when it happens. I'm pretty sure that's how someone like Rip Rogers does things with his advanced classes. As examples, something like shortly before a match, tell the wrestlers that their three-minute match is now ten because someone got hurt, or the exact opposite if the previous match(es) went too long. Or have a situation where one of, if not all of the ropes are broken, so you have to work around that.

This doesn't necessarily explain Jade, since a good chunk of her training came outside of WWE, but she has been in WWE for about nine months at this point. What have they been doing with her at the Performance Center as far as training is concerned, especially after Trips ripped how she was trained previously? Or is most of her training these days on-the-fly during house shows?

I do think Jade was done a disservice in AEW as far as being given opponents that were mostly of a certain level, causing her to plateau. She never got to face off against the likes of Jamie Hayter, Hikaru Shida, Riho, Toni Storm, Emi Sakura, Serena Deeb, Britt Baker...and she didn't get to face Kris Statlander until near the end of her AEW tenure.

Just as another example of AEW kind of dropping the ball on her...of her 13 matches on AEW Dark/Elevation, all of none of them went past the two-minute mark. Of all the times to have her do long matches to prepare for the future, that would have been the best, as the audience watching those was minimal compared to, say, Dynamite. Instead, she did squash after squash after squash.

I do wish her the best in WWE, even though the only WWE programming I watch is NXT, and even that on occasion can be a slog. I do think at the end of her AEW tenure she was better than given credit for, but as I said earlier, she plateaued.

Pretty much summed up my overall thoughts. It's like a one step forward, one step back. She may have that "light switch" moment one day where it will feel like night and day, so I'll never count her out. I know it has to affect her somewhat seeing how much of a beast in the ring Bianca and some of the women can be. I'd be intimidated have to follow what she can do. But that lends to how we saw her booked in AEW.

Really do need that Bianca vs Grace match though.

[Hypnosis]

Jun 17, 2024 15:56:11 GMT -5 "Magic" Mark Hurr said:

Jun 16, 2024 14:44:59 GMT -5 sassafrastaz said:

I think a big part of that has to do with how they do things in developmental. I was blown away when I found out, amongst other things, that the wrestlers spend the better part of a week practicing their matches, so they have it down pat for when they do it on TV (at least in theory). I mean, that's fine when your recruits are just starting out and have no wrestling background (i.e. the majority of NIL recruits), but at a certain point, they have to learn to mostly call it in the ring, since that's how they do it on the main roster.

At some point in their training (and preferably before they reach TV), they should get put through situations where if something goes wrong or something unexpectedly comes up, they've practiced it enough that they'll be prepared if/when it happens. I'm pretty sure that's how someone like Rip Rogers does things with his advanced classes. As examples, something like shortly before a match, tell the wrestlers that their three-minute match is now ten because someone got hurt, or the exact opposite if the previous match(es) went too long. Or have a situation where one of, if not all of the ropes are broken, so you have to work around that.

This doesn't necessarily explain Jade, since a good chunk of her training came outside of WWE, but she has been in WWE for about nine months at this point. What have they been doing with her at the Performance Center as far as training is concerned, especially after Trips ripped how she was trained previously? Or is most of her training these days on-the-fly during house shows?

I do think Jade was done a disservice in AEW as far as being given opponents that were mostly of a certain level, causing her to plateau. She never got to face off against the likes of Jamie Hayter, Hikaru Shida, Riho, Toni Storm, Emi Sakura, Serena Deeb, Britt Baker...and she didn't get to face Kris Statlander until near the end of her AEW tenure.

Just as another example of AEW kind of dropping the ball on her...of her 13 matches on AEW Dark/Elevation, all of none of them went past the two-minute mark. Of all the times to have her do long matches to prepare for the future, that would have been the best, as the audience watching those was minimal compared to, say, Dynamite. Instead, she did squash after squash after squash.

I do wish her the best in WWE, even though the only WWE programming I watch is NXT, and even that on occasion can be a slog. I do think at the end of her AEW tenure she was better than given credit for, but as I said earlier, she plateaued.

Pretty much summed up my overall thoughts. It's like a one step forward, one step back. She may have that "light switch" moment one day where it will feel like night and day, so I'll never count her out. I know it has to affect her somewhat seeing how much of a beast in the ring Bianca and some of the women can be. I'd be intimidated have to follow what she can do. But that lends to how we saw her booked in AEW.

Really do need that Bianca vs Grace match though.

[Renslayer]