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Post by markymark on Dec 1, 2023 15:25:15 GMT -5
Surprising this is coming from Nemeth, who gained goodwill after Punk banned him from Collision and how he stood up to Hugh Morrus and was the first to find out Joey Ryan was a big time pos.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 1, 2023 15:27:59 GMT -5
To me, it is like how I feel about Mel Gibson. He directed and starred at my favorite movies and still watch to thos day, but would I have a drink with him? Definitely not. We have to understand that you can be a great performer, actor, athlete etc and still be a completely deplorable person. Kevin Spacey in a nutshell. Hell, at this point though, Flair can't even fall back on any of that. He's not a good promo anymore and he'd fall apart like silly putty if he took a major bump. He has nothing to offer AND is a deplorable person. |
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Post by Mecca on Dec 1, 2023 15:29:27 GMT -5
We have to understand that you can be a great performer, actor, athlete etc and still be a completely deplorable person. Kevin Spacey in a nutshell. Hell, at this point though, Flair can't even fall back on any of that. He's not a good promo anymore and he'd fall apart like silly putty if he took a major bump. He has nothing to offer AND is a deplorable person. Ric's getting the benefit because of who he use to be. It's like people don't want to shit on George Washington. |
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 1, 2023 16:18:07 GMT -5
In general I see it both ways.
A: He said nothing wrong really. He's a character in a show where people invade people's houses, and basically attempt to murder people all the time. So old man wanting assumingly consensual sex from young adults is on the better side of things, once you get over the basic grossness of old person sex.
B: Ric Flair however has lead a life where he's been accused of some really awful things so any mention of sex is a reminder of those accusations.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 1, 2023 16:41:29 GMT -5
Surprising this is coming from Nemeth, who gained goodwill after Punk banned him from Collision and how he stood up to Hugh Morrus and was the first to find out Joey Ryan was a big time pos.
Goddamit Nemeth you were one of the good ones. |
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Post by jb80 on Dec 1, 2023 16:42:09 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone is surprised he has support from other wrestlers. He's been a dirt bag for decades but I don't think that has hurt his standing among his peers unless we are talking Shane Douglas or Teddy Long.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 1, 2023 16:48:01 GMT -5
Yeah, again it's the disconnect between wrestlers and fans. Wrestlers are going to have a very different relationship with one another than us. Not excusing anything, but wrestlers are not the best moral compasses or judges of characters. Not usually anyways. Maybe it has something to do with the trust they put in one another in the ring or something, feel like I could do an essay on that alone but the point is even the wrestlers who we think are good, decent folk are going to have a different relationship with one another.
Again, Flair is a sick and deplorable person in my mind and I want him gone asap, but I'm not going to sit here and be surprised either at fellow wrestlers coming to his defense either. Nor am I going to suddenly be not a fan of Nemeths. The world is very dumb.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 1, 2023 16:53:10 GMT -5
Surprising this is coming from Nemeth, who gained goodwill after Punk banned him from Collision and how he stood up to Hugh Morrus and was the first to find out Joey Ryan was a big time pos.
Most wrestlers have a massive blind spot when it comes to Ric Flair. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 1, 2023 17:13:28 GMT -5
Surprising this is coming from Nemeth, who gained goodwill after Punk banned him from Collision and how he stood up to Hugh Morrus and was the first to find out Joey Ryan was a big time pos.
Less surprising when you remember Ric is quite close with Ryan's big brother. And, well... Most wrestlers have a massive blind spot when it comes to Ric Flair. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 1, 2023 17:18:02 GMT -5
In general I see it both ways. A: He said nothing wrong really. He's a character in a show where people invade people's houses, and basically attempt to murder people all the time. So old man wanting assumingly consensual sex from young adults is on the better side of things, once you get over the basic grossness of old person sex. B: Ric Flair however has lead a life where he's been accused of some really awful things so any mention of sex is a reminder of those accusations. That's the issue really. Why go there and remind people? If it's felt he really has to in charachter then why be so creepily age specific? Just stick to the vaguer partying and picking up schtick. Christian is much younger and a bigger scumbag on screen but even he knows that middle-aged widows are a more suitable target for his affections. |
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 1, 2023 17:38:26 GMT -5
Nemeth also did a documentary about addiction and sexual assault in wrestling so it's especially disappointing from him.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 1, 2023 19:10:40 GMT -5
But it's NOT the bottom line is it, Steve? Like, not even close? |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 1, 2023 19:58:10 GMT -5
I didn't think Flair could surprise me any more, but I did not expect him to drag down either as many or these specific talent down with him.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 1, 2023 20:03:41 GMT -5
I’m guessing the mindset of some of these wrestlers is
“It’s in the past, he’s been called out and paid punishment (sued?), why hold it against him if he hasn’t done it recently”.
And also the whole
“Yeah I know he’s a bad guy, but at least he’s honest about it”.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 1, 2023 20:05:11 GMT -5
Nemeth also did a documentary about addiction and sexual assault in wrestling so it's especially disappointing from him. Yeah that post is the one where this thread took a plunge into just raw misery porn because the one guy you'd think might actually not suck off Ric's legacy is the one who's been such a strong voice in the business. f***ing atrocious. |
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Dec 1, 2023 21:18:31 GMT -5
Stuff like this is what always makes me laugh when wrestlers mock fans as marks and “the dirtsheets” etc because genuinely a good portion of wrestlers are f****** bigger marks than the biggest wrestling nerds online
Jericho and Miro both defending him doesn’t surprise me going by some of their previous comments or stuff they’ve done (Chris is just a pure carnie, Miro just seems like a dumbass in all honesty)
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Post by Mecca on Dec 2, 2023 1:06:08 GMT -5
In general I see it both ways. A: He said nothing wrong really. He's a character in a show where people invade people's houses, and basically attempt to murder people all the time. So old man wanting assumingly consensual sex from young adults is on the better side of things, once you get over the basic grossness of old person sex. B: Ric Flair however has lead a life where he's been accused of some really awful things so any mention of sex is a reminder of those accusations. That's the issue really. Why go there and remind people? If it's felt he really has to in charachter then why be so creepily age specific? Just stick to the vaguer partying and picking up schtick. Christian is much younger and a bigger scumbag on screen but even he knows that middle-aged widows are a more suitable target for his affections. Ric has never been able to come to terms with his age or stepping aside etc. In Japan Riki Chosu redid the Sekigun stable..he went from being the lead star the first time around to being a manager mouthpiece the second timr because he was much older. WCW brought the horsemen back in what 98? Flair refused to step back like Chosu did. So at basically 50 years old Flair was out there acting like the party all night playboy. He's never been able to accept that it isn't 1986 anymore when it comes to those things. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Dec 2, 2023 3:16:35 GMT -5
Ric Flair is so lame and the wrestlers coming to his defense trying to pretend he's still cool and not a total embarrassment are hilarious.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Dec 2, 2023 4:59:27 GMT -5
I already know the mob is coming for my head on this one, but if this is truly a place for discussion then all sides deserve equal volume.
Let me get these out of the way.
- I don't know Ric Flair personally. Never worked with him, never met him, never seen him in real life.
- I don't condone the stuff he is alleged to have done. It's not ok and my heart goes out to anyone he is said to have affected.
- How you, or anyone else feels about what Ric did is valid and fair and I'm not entitled to take that from you or anyone else.
But reading post after post after post of people not only holding Ric's past against him it's bled into people shitting on his friends for supporting him?
Has it occurred to anyone that his friends/peers just like the guy? Surely you guys have people in your life who have some pretty messed up pasts who you still love and talk to. Hell, I've done things I wish I never did. There's probably people in this thread itself who've done worse things than what Ric did. Some of these guys (Austin being the one in my mind) have probably had conversations with Ric about this stuff and might know more about how Ric feels than you guys do.
Personally I don't really care and it doesn't affect me or my family so I have no vested interest in what Ric Flair does or doesn't do, nor what a group of people on a wrestling forum think about him but I'm also the type of person who stands on what they believe and the toxic groupthink and piggybacking of weird negativity not only in this thread but others is lame to me.
I guess I just hate how certain people in public view have to endure so much shit-talking just because they're on TV. Some deserve it but sometimes it's just like, "uncle". What kind of progressive conversation is anyone going to have if we just keep posting screens of his literal friends supporting him and people on here just flatly being like "Wait what how come you don't hate this man you've known for years on end just like I do even though I don't know shit about him or the situation".
Idk. Maybe I'm the weird one. Sorry if this rubs anyone the wrong way, that's not my intention. I've been in a position not that long ago where a private area of my life (a messy divorce, don't jump to conclusions) became a public matter, so I've seen first hand how hurtful the comments of others can be.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 2, 2023 5:18:38 GMT -5
I already know the mob is coming for my head on this one, but if this is truly a place for discussion then all sides deserve equal volume. Let me get these out of the way. - I don't know Ric Flair personally. Never worked with him, never met him, never seen him in real life. - I don't condone the stuff he is alleged to have done. It's not ok and my heart goes out to anyone he is said to have affected. - How you, or anyone else feels about what Ric did is valid and fair and I'm not entitled to take that from you or anyone else. But reading post after post after post of people not only holding Ric's past against him it's bled into people shitting on his friends for supporting him? Has it occurred to anyone that his friends/peers just like the guy? Surely you guys have people in your life who have some pretty messed up pasts who you still love and talk to. Hell, I've done things I wish I never did. There's probably people in this thread itself who've done worse things than what Ric did. Some of these guys (Austin being the one in my mind) have probably had conversations with Ric about this stuff and might know more about how Ric feels than you guys do. Personally I don't really care and it doesn't affect me or my family so I have no vested interest in what Ric Flair does or doesn't do, nor what a group of people on a wrestling forum think about him but I'm also the type of person who stands on what they believe and the toxic groupthink and piggybacking of weird negativity not only in this thread but others is lame to me. I guess I just hate how certain people in public view have to endure so much shit-talking just because they're on TV. Some deserve it but sometimes it's just like, "uncle". What kind of progressive conversation is anyone going to have if we just keep posting screens of his literal friends supporting him and people on here just flatly being like "Wait what how come you don't hate this man you've known for years on end just like I do even though I don't know shit about him or the situation". Idk. Maybe I'm the weird one. Sorry if this rubs anyone the wrong way, that's not my intention. I've been in a position not that long ago where a private area of my life (a messy divorce, don't jump to conclusions) became a public matter, so I've seen first hand how hurtful the comments of others can be. Idk man, there’s a line where I can tolerate bad behavior from a friend and it falls way before “forcing a flight attendant to grab your dick.” Dude’s a piece of shit and deserves all the criticism he gets and should be ostracized from the business. and his buddies kissing his ass deserve to be clowned on. |
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