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Post by CMWaters on Nov 4, 2023 16:18:18 GMT -5
Now I'm not calling for a full out return to classic face Bayley (though it might get a great pop as a one off), but with the return of Kairi Sane helping out Iyo Sky, and Bayley looking surprised by Kairi's appearance, would a face turn for Bayley with her being forcibly ousted from Damage CTRL (maybe have Dakota be conflicted on the sidelines until she's ring ready again). Would the crowds support Bayley again after so long as a heel?
Just something I'm wondering to mix things up a bit.
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Post by mistery on Nov 4, 2023 16:48:17 GMT -5
Ehhh probably not. The problem is that as commentary pointed out, Bayley was the one who chased KAIRI out of WWE in the first place. So if Bayley gets ousted, then it's likely out of revenge, and entirely justified.
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Post by 4real on Nov 5, 2023 8:30:53 GMT -5
Of course they would. At least in the U.K. anyway. We love Bayley!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 5, 2023 8:35:07 GMT -5
It’s worth a shot. By the time any face turn happens, it’s a four year run as a heel, and it’d be an entirely new face character because her entire face run was as the Hugger gimmick.
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Post by clc on Nov 5, 2023 8:39:44 GMT -5
Sure. Just have IYO and Kairi beat her so bad she becomes sympathetic. She does a Sgt Slaughter, I want my country back promo, goes on a Lex Express-like bus tour to hug all of her fans, and has a prophetic vision when the ghost of Billy Gunn visits her and tells her the good was right there with her all along and she's ready to return.
(and yeah in the UK she's getting cheered no matter what)
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 5, 2023 8:41:09 GMT -5
I only watch the PLEs so I can't tell - is Iyo still technically a heel? Because having her and Kairi betray Bayley might make her sympathetic
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 5, 2023 8:57:16 GMT -5
I only watch the PLEs so I can't tell - is Iyo still technically a heel? Because having her and Kairi betray Bayley might make her sympathetic I mean, Kairi did help her cheat Bianca out of a win, and Bianca is supposed to be the face, so there is that. And she did help jump Bianca on Smackdown before Bianca's match with Bayley.
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Post by gl83 on Nov 5, 2023 9:59:59 GMT -5
I only watch the PLEs so I can't tell - is Iyo still technically a heel? Because having her and Kairi betray Bayley might make her sympathetic I mean, Kairi did help her cheat Bianca out of a win, and Bianca is supposed to be the face, so there is that. And she did help jump Bianca on Smackdown before Bianca's match with Bayley. IYO also was the one that delivered the fatal blow in "pillmanizing" Bianca's leg that took her out all those months. Also, her and Kairi also kinda ganged up and beat Bianca down yesterday after the match, so she's very clearly a Heel. Would be funny if this does lead to Bayley turning Face, as she has been such a dick, that much like Sasha in 2020, only ended up turning Face because she got backstabbed and betrayed by an even bigger dick.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 5, 2023 10:33:33 GMT -5
It’s worth a shot. By the time any face turn happens, it’s a four year run as a heel, and it’d be an entirely new face character because her entire face run was as the Hugger gimmick.
Right. Plus a related bonus is that it might finally move her out of the Bianca's KOD-taker position she's been in for nearly three years now.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Nov 5, 2023 10:42:59 GMT -5
Ehhh probably not. The problem is that as commentary pointed out, Bayley was the one who chased KAIRI out of WWE in the first place. So if Bayley gets ousted, then it's likely out of revenge, and entirely justified. My problem is that Iyo and Kairi still come off like jerks regardless of whether or not Bayley turns face. Everyone hyped up Kairi to be the one who got Iyo out of Damage Control/save her and what do they have her do when she comes back? Be a heel that helps Iyo retain the title by attacking the opponent. I want face Iyo/Kairi, characters I can actually cheer for because they’re good and not just because their opponents are over pushed and tired. I have no sympathy for Iyo’s character right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 10:53:51 GMT -5
Ehhh probably not. The problem is that as commentary pointed out, Bayley was the one who chased KAIRI out of WWE in the first place. So if Bayley gets ousted, then it's likely out of revenge, and entirely justified. My problem is that Iyo and Kairi still come off like jerks regardless of whether or not Bayley turns face. Everyone hyped up Kairi to be the one who got Iyo out of Damage Control/save her and what do they have her do when she comes back? Be a heel that helps Iyo retain the title by attacking the opponent. I want face Iyo/Kairi, characters I can actually cheer for because they’re good and not just because their opponents are over pushed and tired. I have no sympathy for Iyo’s character right now. This is the fun of this story...it has no definitive sides yet because everyone or most that will be involved have been all jerks. Which is why it holds alot of intrigue because WWE can go alot of ways with this. KAIRI has a legit claim at getting her revenge on Bayley IYO has all the right to finally get out from Bayleys shadow which Bayley always casts over her even when she tells her not to get involved like at crown jewel Bayley has a bit of a claim that she has been IYO's most loyal friend...brought her back to the company when she was about to leave , helped her cash in etc
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Post by Stu on Nov 5, 2023 11:00:49 GMT -5
I just want to know how this can get us to an Asuka/Iyo/Kairi match at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 11:08:54 GMT -5
I just want to know how this can get us to an Asuka/Iyo/Kairi match at Wrestlemania. There are ways to get there but the first would be not having Asuka join the rumored Joshi murder squad. Then you have to find some way to reveal that KAIRI siding with IYO lastnight came with a caviat that KAIRI would get a shot at IYO's title Again it is possible but there are some hoops to jump through to get us there unless they really hold it off till Mania in 2025 and then it becomes far easier to craft the story from here untill than instead of only having a few months to get there.
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Post by mistery on Nov 5, 2023 12:47:13 GMT -5
I don't really think a face turn is in the cards here for Bayley, if just for the fact that it isn't how WWE is portraying this. At all. People seem to forget that Bayley was the one who ordered Bianca's leg pillmanized in that attack. You didn't see Iyo yelling "put Bianca's leg in the chair and I'll pillmanize it", but Bayley sure as hell did. It was just convenient for Iyo.
It doesn't help that this morning on The Bump, they were openly stating that Iyo doesn't trust Bayley. And rightfully so. Despite Bayley helping Iyo out, it's more likely she just wants the title to remain with Damage CTRL than she is in actually having Iyo's best interests at heart (do remember that she has constantly ignored Iyo's requests to stay out of her way). Along with Bayley's long history of turning on her "friends".
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 5, 2023 12:49:05 GMT -5
Maybe but it's always weird to see heels turning heels on their fellow heels. Bayley has definitely been the more heelish heel of the group but Kairi went far more of out her way to screw Bianca. So you can try but not sure it will work.
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Post by mistery on Nov 5, 2023 13:05:51 GMT -5
Maybe but it's always weird to see heels turning heels on their fellow heels. Bayley has definitely been the more heelish heel of the group but Kairi went far more of out her way to screw Bianca. So you can try but not sure it will work. Honestly I don't think KAIRI screwing over Bianca is going to be as poorly received as people think it will. While Bianca is their top babyface booking wise, actual audience wise its pretty clear her reactions have varied from great to incredibly bad. You could tell that Bianca fell back into her awful habits in the ring last Friday as well as yesterday. She's booked at the same level Charlotte Flair is, where she's so dominant the vast majority of the time, that whenever she does face a setback, everyone is like "thank god".
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Post by clc on Nov 5, 2023 13:12:14 GMT -5
All the women on Smackdown are heels. Some might get cheered, but everyone has been behaving heel-like for quite some time. They tell us Bianca is a face, and she gets cheered, but her EST gimmick is a heel gimmick. The only thing that makes her a face is she does not ever cheat. They try to tell us Charlotte is a face too, but that is laughable. Come to think of it, Raw's women are all heels too with the exception of Raquel.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 5, 2023 13:38:09 GMT -5
All the women on Smackdown are heels. Some might get cheered, but everyone has been behaving heel-like for quite some time. They tell us Bianca is a face, and she gets cheered, but her EST gimmick is a heel gimmick. The only thing that makes her a face is she does not ever cheat. They try to tell us Charlotte is a face too, but that is laughable. Come to think of it, Raw's women are all heels too with the exception of Raquel. OK, to your theory, what makes Shotzi a heel?
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Post by mistery on Nov 5, 2023 13:55:00 GMT -5
All the women on Smackdown are heels. Some might get cheered, but everyone has been behaving heel-like for quite some time. They tell us Bianca is a face, and she gets cheered, but her EST gimmick is a heel gimmick. The only thing that makes her a face is she does not ever cheat. They try to tell us Charlotte is a face too, but that is laughable. Come to think of it, Raw's women are all heels too with the exception of Raquel. OK, to your theory, what makes Shotzi a heel? She ran over Robert Stone in a tank and never apologized for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 14:13:23 GMT -5
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