Convoy
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Post by Convoy on Nov 28, 2023 12:59:26 GMT -5
I find this hilarious since there has been so much discourse lately on AEW moving away from their workrate roots towards more sports entertainment/storytelling vibes. And my favorite, the constant idea that "NJPW style" goes against the idea of "storytelling", nevermind that NJPW had usually done a lot of the strongest storytelling in the industry. All because to many people "storytelling" apparently only means long in-ring promos and skits that end with someone staring off-camera. You nailed it here. If people think New Japan lacks storytelling, they have no clue about their insanely strong history of telling stories, and more than likely won't bother to learn about that anyway. In nearly 25 years of watching NJPW I've never needed to be a native speaker to follow their product.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 28, 2023 13:13:46 GMT -5
Man if we get QT Marshall: NWA Champion in Billy Pumpkins NWA Coke N MAGA Extravaganza I’d lose my shit laughing so hard
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 28, 2023 13:30:22 GMT -5
And my favorite, the constant idea that "NJPW style" goes against the idea of "storytelling", nevermind that NJPW had usually done a lot of the strongest storytelling in the industry. All because to many people "storytelling" apparently only means long in-ring promos and skits that end with someone staring off-camera. You nailed it here. If people think New Japan lacks storytelling, they have no clue about their insanely strong history of telling stories, and more than likely won't bother to learn about that anyway. In nearly 25 years of watching NJPW I've never needed to be a native speaker to follow their product. It’s not easy to digest but NJPW has nailed some beautiful stories. Channels helped illustrate that like Showbuckle or their own recount/recap series. The post prior to yours mocked the cultural difference but it is there.
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Post by markymark on Nov 28, 2023 13:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 28, 2023 13:38:05 GMT -5
It’s ironic cuz the qtv thing sucked shit.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2023 13:38:30 GMT -5
Also confirmed that AEW saw QT as a producer/coach and he saw himself as someone who should be wrestling more
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Post by Mecca on Nov 28, 2023 13:39:32 GMT -5
QT Marshall advocates for more entertainment based wrestling....the rest of the room responds, you should leave then.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2023 13:41:45 GMT -5
oh pure Wrestling Purists, Tony and QT saw their relationship change for the worse because QTV segments stopped airing. Wrestling Purist said the belief was that Punk didn't want QTV on Collision and that QT thought as much and didn't believe TK when he said it was his decision
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Post by Facetious on Nov 28, 2023 13:43:07 GMT -5
Also confirmed that AEW saw QT as a producer/coach and he saw himself as someone who should be wrestling more TK: Who do you propose to be the man to spearhead the more entertainment style? QT:
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 28, 2023 13:44:43 GMT -5
I'm honestly not going to knock QT as a talent: the guy can go in the ring, and when they wanted him to be an underdog he did a solid job, then when they wanted him to be a scumbag midcard heel he did his job well, too; I know not everyone enjoyed QTV, for example, but the guy got crowd reactions and for his position on the card did good work once he was in or around the ring. He didn't set the world on fire or anything, but he's good at what he does and if he wants to explore more of what he could possibly achieve in the ring, more power to him. That said, if he's the one who's saying "more NJPW style" as a way to say "less storytelling", that's just asinine on his part, but I wonder if that's the reporter saying it, instead.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2023 13:50:44 GMT -5
I'm honestly not going to knock QT as a talent: the guy can go in the ring, and when they wanted him to be an underdog he did a solid job, then when they wanted him to be a scumbag midcard heel he did his job well, too; I know not everyone enjoyed QTV, for example, but the guy got crowd reactions and for his position on the card did good work once he was in or around the ring. He didn't set the world on fire or anything, but he's good at what he does and if he wants to explore more of what he could possibly achieve in the ring, more power to him. That said, if he's the one who's saying "more NJPW style" as a way to say "less storytelling", that's just asinine on his part, but I wonder if that's the reporter saying it, instead. I feel like the idea is more that you should get over based on what story you can do in the ring, over what you can do on the mic. Which I think AEW was originally built on. Not that the mic work isn't important, but I think to TK the All Out match for Miro/Hobbs would do more to get them over than any segment they did.
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Post by markymark on Nov 28, 2023 13:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 28, 2023 13:55:30 GMT -5
I'm honestly not going to knock QT as a talent: the guy can go in the ring, and when they wanted him to be an underdog he did a solid job, then when they wanted him to be a scumbag midcard heel he did his job well, too; I know not everyone enjoyed QTV, for example, but the guy got crowd reactions and for his position on the card did good work once he was in or around the ring. He didn't set the world on fire or anything, but he's good at what he does and if he wants to explore more of what he could possibly achieve in the ring, more power to him. That said, if he's the one who's saying "more NJPW style" as a way to say "less storytelling", that's just asinine on his part, but I wonder if that's the reporter saying it, instead. I feel like the idea is more that you should get over based on what story you can do in the ring, over what you can do on the mic. Which I think AEW was originally built on. Not that the mic work isn't important, but I think to TK the All Out match for Miro/Hobbs would do more to get them over than any segment they did. The Deadlock podcasts talks about this a lot: whenever they talk about a Russo-era WWF/WCW/TNA show, something they clearly get tired of is that " every match needs an angle or story surrounding it", and I get what they're saying; this is a wrestling show, and sometimes the way to get someone over is through letting them wrestle in wrestling matches, shock of shocks. Even then, though, the best do that by bringing something of themselves to each match they're featured in; they use their expressions, the way they win or lose matches, things they yell at the camera or crowd, etc., to communicate something about where they are in a given character arc. A lot of people seem conditioned to think that without a promo or backstage segment that a match without a preexisting feud surrounding it makes no sense, but something like the Continental Classic is a way to disprove that, I think: the way each guy approaches the tournament is an opportunity for them to tell the crowd something about themselves through their matches and the way they work them.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2023 13:57:59 GMT -5
The irony is... I actually think AEW has gotten a lot better in recent months with telling stories while having good matches. They got away from it admittedly, but I think a lot of matches AEW has had have been built around emotion
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2023 13:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Nov 28, 2023 14:09:17 GMT -5
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Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Nov 28, 2023 14:32:26 GMT -5
I now can't shake the thought that this look wasn't a silly over the top heel look but a "see I can look like a megastar" combo of tan and 2020 Roman teeth
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 28, 2023 14:51:48 GMT -5
This is a crazy story. Between the trades, reddit and here I've heard and contributed to a huge lists of critisms of aew in recent months. Some valid, some ridicioulous, many overblown but through them all I can't remember reading one person saying AEW was becoming too much like NJPW.
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Nov 28, 2023 14:58:11 GMT -5
Someone here said those QTV segments were like Raw guest host era segments and it was so spot on.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2023 15:01:35 GMT -5
on the Wrestling Purists show, Ibou basically confirmed the following again.
1.Point blank QT is leaving because he thinks he should be on tv more and thinks his style would help get babyfaces over
2.Tony valued QT as an executive and a coach. Felt he did a great job with formatting, giving advice to talent, and in training but he did not view QT as someone who should be on TV.
3.There are no plans for AEW to switch to a New Japan like show but QT made the comparison because he felt AEW was too much like New Japan in that they were putting matches out to be great matches rather than to tell stories
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