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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Dec 6, 2023 22:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Dec 6, 2023 22:39:07 GMT -5
one question I have about this lemonade is if it is mixed and sent to the stores or they make it in store
could be some batches that have an insane amount of caffeine in them but either way what a horrible way to go
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 6, 2023 22:50:19 GMT -5
Did they not make it clear that the lemonade was extra caffeinated? Seems odd that 2 people who generally avoided or limited caffeine intake would drink something like that
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 7, 2023 10:34:00 GMT -5
I think what's crazier is that they've refused to take this off the market. They must be making a lot of money off it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 7, 2023 11:35:14 GMT -5
Did they not make it clear that the lemonade was extra caffeinated? Seems odd that 2 people who generally avoided or limited caffeine intake would drink something like that I found this reddit post discussing it circa 2022. I don't know if they've changed it since then www.reddit.com/r/Panera/comments/wd1l1m/new_charged_lemonade_disclaimers_thoughts/I've also seen references that the dispensers list the calories and caffeine content. A large charged lemonade has 390 mg of caffeine in it! That is right at the recommended daily maximum for caffeine intake. 2 large drinks would be the equivalent of almost 4 cans of a 200mg energy drink. It is inevitable that these deaths have occurred regardless of what the warnings say with having something that high in caffeine be a self-serve unlimited refill drink. Another good article here www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/12/06/panera-caffeine-lawsuits-deaths-risks/
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 7, 2023 11:45:01 GMT -5
Okay having that much caffeine in a drink with free refills is insane. There's a reason why energy drinks are in relatively small cans.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 7, 2023 12:03:36 GMT -5
I wonder how many parents give these to their kids thinking it's just lemonade then wonder why Little Johnny is climbing the wall and pissing on the floor.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 7, 2023 12:21:15 GMT -5
I keep reading this as "Pantera's Lemonade" and it's throwing me off.
What a strange, strange story.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 7, 2023 13:50:09 GMT -5
I keep reading this as "Pantera's Lemonade" and it's throwing me off. What a strange, strange story. He never would have released it if he had treated his stepmother with respect.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 7, 2023 14:11:38 GMT -5
I keep reading this as "Pantera's Lemonade" and it's throwing me off. What a strange, strange story. This is a Vulgar Display of Lemons. And that’s also why it should be called “St. Louis Bread Company” nationwide.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 7, 2023 15:16:17 GMT -5
I think what's crazier is that they've refused to take this off the market. They must be making a lot of money off it. I was under the impression it had about the same amount of caffeine as coffee does. Do you want everyone to stop selling coffee? They might need better labels, but there’s no need to take them off of the market.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 7, 2023 15:25:16 GMT -5
stop putting caffeine in EVERYTHING!!!
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Post by Mecca on Dec 7, 2023 15:25:55 GMT -5
stop putting caffeine in EVERYTHING!!! I must be heavily caffeinated at all times to function in America.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 7, 2023 15:37:34 GMT -5
I think what's crazier is that they've refused to take this off the market. They must be making a lot of money off it. I was under the impression it had about the same amount of caffeine as coffee does. Do you want everyone to stop selling coffee? They might need better labels, but there’s no need to take them off of the market. I thought it was more, but a 30 oz Charged Lemonade has 390MG of caffeine. That's like 10MG under the suggested daily limit in one drink. If someone had two or three, that's like nearly 1200 MG of caffeine. Just seems like overkill. In addition to better labeling, they should consider changing the sizes they offer. My comment was more being surprised that they didn't pull it as a way of responding to the initial controversy.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 7, 2023 15:46:48 GMT -5
I was under the impression it had about the same amount of caffeine as coffee does. Do you want everyone to stop selling coffee? They might need better labels, but there’s no need to take them off of the market. I thought it was more, but a 30 oz Charged Lemonade has 390MG of caffeine. That's like 10MG under the suggested daily limit in one drink. If someone had two or three, that's like nearly 1200 MG of caffeine. Just seems like overkill. In addition to better labeling, they should consider changing the sizes they offer. My comment was more being surprised that they didn't pull it as a way of responding to the initial controversy. Oh, so it has the same per volume concentration as coffee? That’s overkill. Give it the same total amount as one of Starbucks’ espresso drinks. That should be sufficient as a “kick” to the lemonade.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 7, 2023 15:47:41 GMT -5
stop putting caffeine in EVERYTHING!!! They do it because it's addictive. They want people buying more and more of them.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Dec 7, 2023 15:53:44 GMT -5
This reminds me a lot of the original 4Loko that was linked to several deaths in the late 2000s. The issue isn't so much that the product itself is inherently dangerous, it's that the product is sold in such a manner that it doesn't clearly communicate what constitutes an appropriate serving. Original 4Loko had like 1000 calories in a can and an incredibly dangerous amount of caffeine and malt liquor to be drunk together. But a single can was "4 servings." So, when college kids would inevitably put back 3+ cans at a party, they were consuming 12+ servings and it was stopping peoples' hearts.
Same holds true here. One single cup full of "charged lemonade" isn't a big deal, but Panera's whole brand is built on people sitting in there for hours at a time and doing work. So drinking 4 of those is incredibly dangerous. And it's definitely foreseeable that the average customer would drink more than one in a sitting.
Normally, I'm skeptical of these kinds of lawsuits, but I think Panera probably has some issues here.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 7, 2023 16:01:35 GMT -5
This reminds me a lot of the original 4Loko that was linked to several deaths in the late 2000s. The issue isn't so much that the product itself is inherently dangerous, it's that the product is sold in such a manner that it doesn't clearly communicate what constitutes an appropriate serving. Original 4Loko had like 1000 calories in a can and an incredibly dangerous amount of caffeine and malt liquor to be drunk together. But a single can was "4 servings." So, when college kids would inevitably put back 3+ cans at a party, they were consuming 12+ servings and it was stopping peoples' hearts. Same holds true here. One single cup full of "charged lemonade" isn't a big deal, but Panera's whole brand is built on people sitting in there for hours at a time and doing work. So drinking 4 of those is incredibly dangerous. And it's definitely foreseeable that the average customer would drink more than one in a sitting. Normally, I'm skeptical of these kinds of lawsuits, but I think Panera probably has some issues here. People also probably think it's fine for kids cause it's lemonade... If you click any of those reddit links, I found a post where workers were talking about how it's made at the store so if it's improperly mixed you can end up with even higher caffeine concentrations. But hey man who cares lets down 1500 mgs and get to work.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 7, 2023 16:35:34 GMT -5
If it's something that has to be made in-store and improperly doing it can be dangerous, if not outright lethal, maybe they should stop doing that.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Dec 7, 2023 16:38:52 GMT -5
This reminds me a lot of the original 4Loko that was linked to several deaths in the late 2000s. The issue isn't so much that the product itself is inherently dangerous, it's that the product is sold in such a manner that it doesn't clearly communicate what constitutes an appropriate serving. Original 4Loko had like 1000 calories in a can and an incredibly dangerous amount of caffeine and malt liquor to be drunk together. But a single can was "4 servings." So, when college kids would inevitably put back 3+ cans at a party, they were consuming 12+ servings and it was stopping peoples' hearts. Same holds true here. One single cup full of "charged lemonade" isn't a big deal, but Panera's whole brand is built on people sitting in there for hours at a time and doing work. So drinking 4 of those is incredibly dangerous. And it's definitely foreseeable that the average customer would drink more than one in a sitting. Normally, I'm skeptical of these kinds of lawsuits, but I think Panera probably has some issues here. i wish people could go back and experience original 4loko but in a safe way because holy f*** that shit was napalm in a can. i remember when it came out and none of us could believe it was even legal
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