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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 16, 2024 1:34:45 GMT -5
I mean... Dick Wolf stated that it was specifically designed to be that way, since most law dramas up until that point was from the Defense attorney's perspective. He wanted the prosecutors to be seen as "the good guys" which was unheard of until Law and Order. Yeah, it was a shift for the time, whreas now, the vast majority of these types of shows lionize the police's side of things, unless it's some outsider detective correcting their course or something, and even then, they are rarely portrayed as in the wrong, exactly, but that the perpetrator is just oh-so masterful. We don't really even get "good cop steers bad/flawed cops in the right direction" stuff as often as used to be the case, like In The Heat Of The Night, Beverly Hills Cop arguably, etc, that often these days, it feels like. I guess these kinds of things shift in trends, but it does get noticeable. People complain it "got woke" or relied too much on politics, it was always a heavily political show. Tons and tons of debate on abortion and the death penalty and religion and how it fits into the American criminal justice system. Once the show hits the year 2000, I become hyper aware of what things they are "ripping from the headlines", Britney Spears, Mel Gibson, Michael Jackson, Paul Bernado...which is when I became media aware, I hate the episodes that,I feel, the script is "911 is 911, with the 911 and the reason is 911 because of 911", which a period the show went through, but that was in the culture at the time. The show always seemed left in its politics and right in how it presents cops and the justice system, but that's a relic from pre-9/11 when not every last f***ing thing was about left vs. right.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 16, 2024 1:42:35 GMT -5
I feel like the thread title is moot and people are already just naming stuff they don't like Disco Stu...and Disco Music
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 16, 2024 1:43:55 GMT -5
I mean... Dick Wolf stated that it was specifically designed to be that way, since most law dramas up until that point was from the Defense attorney's perspective. He wanted the prosecutors to be seen as "the good guys" which was unheard of until Law and Order. Which Oliver pointed out...I just watched 3 hours of the OG series tonight and not the good episodes either, the ones with Milena Govich. And yeah, you're yelling, "Gun that f***er down Greene!!!" And I'm left as shit, which is also Oliver's point. The cops and DA are always on the side of good, which they are, in the universe of the show. It was a very good show, even the show has a liberal bent within it being total copaganda. How you get Oliver thinks it leads to right wing extremism out his piece, no idea. I hope the OP says why. John Oliver gets more right than wrong, but yeah that's a real bad take. Hard right wing extremism is more anti-law enforcement, and far more dangerous TO law enforcement, than anyone else.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 16, 2024 1:50:00 GMT -5
Which Oliver pointed out...I just watched 3 hours of the OG series tonight and not the good episodes either, the ones with Milena Govich. And yeah, you're yelling, "Gun that f***er down Greene!!!" And I'm left as shit, which is also Oliver's point. The cops and DA are always on the side of good, which they are, in the universe of the show. It was a very good show, even the show has a liberal bent within it being total copaganda. How you get Oliver thinks it leads to right wing extremism out his piece, no idea. I hope the OP says why. John Oliver gets more right than wrong, but yeah that's a real bad take. Hard right wing extremism is more anti-law enforcement, and far more dangerous TO law enforcement, than anyone else. Let's not derail this and get the perfectly fine thread locked for violating board rules...maybe I am misunderstanding you, you're saying the right is less for enforcement? We can take it to the Messages if necessary, I could be incorrect about what you're saying, and I don't want things to go off rails.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 16, 2024 2:00:55 GMT -5
John Oliver gets more right than wrong, but yeah that's a real bad take. Hard right wing extremism is more anti-law enforcement, and far more dangerous TO law enforcement, than anyone else. Let's not derail this and get the perfectly fine thread locked for violating board rules...maybe I am misunderstanding you, you're saying the right is less for enforcement? We can take it to the Messages if necessary, I could be incorrect about what you're saying, and I don't want things to go off rails. Sliiiiiiiiiiding into your DMs!
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 16, 2024 2:27:04 GMT -5
I will say that, I understand people having issues with Taylor Swift due to not liking her music, the private jet usage, etc, but I feel like she doesn't really fit the thread's core premise that much because, well, the pushback has been so minor compared to her success. She had a hit film last year, is kicking the living shit out of just about everybody in album sales, her concerts do big business, etc. A bigger fall may yet be coming, but it's really clearly not here yet, so this feels like saying "soda makes me burp, no one drinks soda anymore" when that's really clearly not reflected in the metrics.
I guess I am just thinking more of stuff like Roseanne's self-destruction, or how some people like Armey Hammer even before his issues seemed unable to become THE guy like studios so clearly were pushing for because he just rubbed people the wrong way and didn't click with audiences as a big time leading man.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 16, 2024 5:34:11 GMT -5
John Oliver has MASSIVE go-away heat with me for both his dumb ass rant on how NBC’s Law And Order was somehow this sinister and eeeevil pipeline to hard right radicalism on his show, and for his lame performance as Zazu in 2019 Lion King. I mean, he didn't say that about Law & Order at all, he pointed out how it's "copaganda" which it absolutely is and I say that as a massive fan of the original show. Being Zazu, I dunno, maybe that did suck. I never bothered watching. Well guess what? That’s a bunch of bullshit. Copaganda is NOT a legit problem because there is no direct pipeline between a heroic police officer and people turning into crazed tough-on-crime nut jobs. I enjoy seeing altruistic detectives (Judy Hopps specifically) and I’m not going to be shamed out of that by anybody, period. Oliver, and frankly ANYBODY who even unironically SAYS the word “copaganda” can straight up kiss my f***ing ass. I like what I wanna like.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 16, 2024 5:36:23 GMT -5
I mean... Dick Wolf stated that it was specifically designed to be that way, since most law dramas up until that point was from the Defense attorney's perspective. He wanted the prosecutors to be seen as "the good guys" which was unheard of until Law and Order. Yeah, it was a shift for the time, whreas now, the vast majority of these types of shows lionize the police's side of things, unless it's some outsider detective correcting their course or something, and even then, they are rarely portrayed as in the wrong, exactly, but that the perpetrator is just oh-so masterful. We don't really even get "good cop steers bad/flawed cops in the right direction" stuff as often as used to be the case, like In The Heat Of The Night, Beverly Hills Cop arguably, etc, that often these days, it feels like. I guess these kinds of things shift in trends, but it does get noticeable. TOO BAD. That’s part of why I like Wolf’s material. If that’s an issue, then don’t watch it! Let us enjoy heroic cops in peace! This whole controversy is just culture war bullshit! Go watch some other crap!
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 16, 2024 10:06:23 GMT -5
John Oliver has MASSIVE go-away heat with me for both his dumb ass rant on how NBC’s Law And Order was somehow this sinister and eeeevil pipeline to hard right radicalism on his show, and for his lame performance as Zazu in 2019 Lion King. I mean, he didn't say that about Law & Order at all, he pointed out how it's "copaganda" which it absolutely is and I say that as a massive fan of the original show. Being Zazu, I dunno, maybe that did suck. I never bothered watching. His Zazu is fine. The "live action" Lion King is lesser than the animated version in just about every way (of course, all of the live action Disney remakes have been), but Oliver hardly stands out as a particulary bad performance. Plus, I accept that he's inspired casting, considering probably sounds more like Zazu ordering his morning breakfast than any other actor could come close to. As for L&O, it's made by Dick Wolf. Nuff said. The guy goes out of his way to depict Internal Affairs like cartoon villains. I also have very strong feelings about the repulsive person deified via being "the inspiration" for both Olivia Benson and Alexandra Cabot, but I won't get into that here. I'll just say, I haven't watched SVU or any Law and Order program since I found that out.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 16, 2024 10:08:48 GMT -5
I will say that, I understand people having issues with Taylor Swift due to not liking her music, the private jet usage, etc, but I feel like she doesn't really fit the thread's core premise that much because, well, the pushback has been so minor compared to her success. She had a hit film last year, is kicking the living shit out of just about everybody in album sales, her concerts do big business, etc. A bigger fall may yet be coming, but it's really clearly not here yet, so this feels like saying "soda makes me burp, no one drinks soda anymore" when that's really clearly not reflected in the metrics. I guess I am just thinking more of stuff like Roseanne's self-destruction, or how some people like Armey Hammer even before his issues seemed unable to become THE guy like studios so clearly were pushing for because he just rubbed people the wrong way and didn't click with audiences as a big time leading man. If anything, in terms of heat, Taylor Swift is John Cena; has a very vocal opposition, but is undoubtedly as over as you can get. A few people chanting Taylor Sucks is by no means "go away heat".
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Post by grungesmurf on Jan 16, 2024 10:19:53 GMT -5
Jennifer Aniston Johnnny depp Steve Harvey Cedric the Entertainer
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 16, 2024 10:23:07 GMT -5
I’m sorry, but that topic strikes a severe emotional nerve with me.
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Post by fortknox on Jan 16, 2024 10:51:45 GMT -5
Dustin Diamond. From his "stand up", which was just him bitching about people, to his run in Celebrity Fit Club and finally his tell all book, which was him bitching about his co stars, throwing wild accusations, and talking about how mean they were to him.
I'm someone that use to watch Saved By The Bell religiously but, thanks to him I quit watching it cold turkey. Only in the last few years after his death have I started to watch it again.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 16, 2024 10:54:53 GMT -5
Wow my Koko B. Ware reference got 1984’d.
And before anyone protests I was defending Koko.
Alas, mods I get it.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 16, 2024 12:12:01 GMT -5
Does Michael Richards still have it or do people just not care
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 16, 2024 12:33:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a shift for the time, whreas now, the vast majority of these types of shows lionize the police's side of things, unless it's some outsider detective correcting their course or something, and even then, they are rarely portrayed as in the wrong, exactly, but that the perpetrator is just oh-so masterful. We don't really even get "good cop steers bad/flawed cops in the right direction" stuff as often as used to be the case, like In The Heat Of The Night, Beverly Hills Cop arguably, etc, that often these days, it feels like. I guess these kinds of things shift in trends, but it does get noticeable. TOO BAD. That’s part of why I like Wolf’s material. If that’s an issue, then don’t watch it! Let us enjoy heroic cops in peace! This whole controversy is just culture war bullshit! Go watch some other crap! This thread is literally somewhere to discuss people's negative reactions. No one had mentioned anyone else, no one has implied anyone is wrong for liking anything. These are just individuals talking about themselves and broader trends. It's not the place to take things personally and lash out, that's the kind of thing you'd expect a mod to crack down on. Up to this point everything had been incredibly civil so its not like it was everyone bitching, arguing, creating problems. If you disagree, take your own advice and step back, if it's a triggering situation, step back maybe have a check with someone that a message isn't a little bit much. There has been a rethink on media recently that is part of a discussion of how and why Wolff makes shoes the way he does. That's not talking about anyone here or anywhere else, no one is calling for any rise ups or real world anything, its just a form of media that is changing and people perceive as being less popular. Everyone just needs to chill, it's talking about shows not calling for a march in the streets.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jan 16, 2024 13:38:27 GMT -5
move away from where the topic is heading/has been for the last page or so, this goes for everyone.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 16, 2024 16:47:35 GMT -5
RAID Shadow Legends. It feels like nobody actually likes it and yet Plarium have gotten ahead by spamming ads everywhere and paying content creators big money to spruik it since any advertising costs get covered by the fact that Plarium is a subsidiary of a gambling company. So you get obvious shills in comments sections and such but the vast majority treat it like a pimple that hasn't been popped.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 16, 2024 17:08:01 GMT -5
Kevin Hart, Amy Schumer, Melissa McCarthy... Sadly I am the same with MM, and I don't even want to, necessarily. She seems like a nice person and I otherwise like her. But...9 times out of 10, you know what you're going to get when you see she's in something, and it got old a WHILE back.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 16, 2024 17:33:38 GMT -5
Tangentially related to wrestling but Ronnie Radke seems to be there.
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