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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 20, 2024 21:52:12 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 20, 2024 21:56:47 GMT -5
Hopefully they find a method that works for them that doesn’t lead to top ranked talents sitting on their ranks like an egg not getting their title shots.
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Post by ace on Jan 20, 2024 21:58:13 GMT -5
He got mad people thought a child beating D tier talent on a C show getting a title shot was a joke…and this dork decided to add more math.
System sucked before. It will suck again. What’s the point of being #1 contender when you aren’t next in line? If you have to do this (and you don’t) don’t do rankings based on kayfabed weighting of match results. Have a system where a pool of people are either qualified for title contender-ship or need wins to get qualified.
That makes match results more important in a way that is easy to understand, separates the haves from the have nots, and is an easy story to get behind someone trying to work their way into the contenders pool
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 20, 2024 22:00:34 GMT -5
I think it'll be more solid without DARK and Elevation to pad stats, you'll have to work and get more wins across the TV shows.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 20, 2024 22:01:38 GMT -5
I loved the rankings and I feel like the booking started to lose focus when it went away. I'm excited.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 20, 2024 22:05:22 GMT -5
Hopefully they find a method that works for them that doesn’t lead to top ranked talents sitting on their ranks like an egg not getting their title shots. Yeah, I mentioned it in the collision thread but I’ll try to explain it better here, but for this to work the have to establish better ground rules with it. Like if there’s blood feud going on, can the champ bypass the number one contender to defend against someone else. Or does being #1 for 1 week guarantee you a shot, or do you need to hold the ranking? Shit like that needs to be properly laid out
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 20, 2024 22:09:08 GMT -5
Hopefully they find a method that works for them that doesn’t lead to top ranked talents sitting on their ranks like an egg not getting their title shots. Yeah, I mentioned it in the collision thread but I’ll try to explain it better here, but for this to work the have to establish better ground rules with it. Like if there’s blood feud going on, can the champ bypass the number one contender to defend against someone else. Or does being #1 for 1 week guarantee you a shot, or do you need to hold the ranking? Shit like that needs to be properly laid out They were weekly to start with, weren’t they? I think doing them as a fortnightly or even monthly thing would be better, as that gives the talents time to accumulate strong results (especially with no Dark or Elevation in hand) and for top-ranked talents to claim their title shots.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 20, 2024 22:10:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I mentioned it in the collision thread but I’ll try to explain it better here, but for this to work the have to establish better ground rules with it. Like if there’s blood feud going on, can the champ bypass the number one contender to defend against someone else. Or does being #1 for 1 week guarantee you a shot, or do you need to hold the ranking? Shit like that needs to be properly laid out They were weekly to start with, weren’t they? I think doing them as a fortnightly or even monthly thing would be better, as that gives the talents time to accumulate strong results and for top-ranked to talents to claim their title shots. Yeah, they were weekly. And, releasing them less frequently is a much better idea.
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Post by Facetious on Jan 20, 2024 22:12:17 GMT -5
I'm open for them being revisited. A huge issue last time was guys sitting top banana being ran around and expecting everyone to understand that someone racked up 10 wins in Dark without much acknowledgement until day of.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 20, 2024 22:15:54 GMT -5
I didn't agree with all of the criticism towards the latter half of last year where folks said AEW had become too much like WWE but I do agree with the idea that they need their own identity and this can definitely be part of that.
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Post by dbsot on Jan 20, 2024 22:22:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I mentioned it in the collision thread but I’ll try to explain it better here, but for this to work the have to establish better ground rules with it. Like if there’s blood feud going on, can the champ bypass the number one contender to defend against someone else. Or does being #1 for 1 week guarantee you a shot, or do you need to hold the ranking? Shit like that needs to be properly laid out They were weekly to start with, weren’t they? I think doing them as a fortnightly or even monthly thing would be better, as that gives the talents time to accumulate strong results (especially with no Dark or Elevation in hand) and for top-ranked talents to claim their title shots. It was never truly explained, but I tracked it enough to get an idea. The rankings were actually supposed to set up the challenger for the next PPV. However, the champion could issue title matches to anyone in the rankings. I believe it was top 5 wrestlers, but I don't remember right now. Those matches were the random ones where someone would rack up wins on Dark to move up the rankings and then get a title match on Dynamite. The #1 ranked wrestler would usually stay unbeaten on until the PPV. I would actually prefer that wrestlers have to declare what title they are going for at the start of each PPV cycle. If Roderick Strong declares that he wants the International title, then he can't be on the world title rankings for that month. Same goes for current champions. OC and Eddie Kingston will obviously rack up wins, but you can't just have current champions sitting as #1 contenders every month.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 20, 2024 22:32:21 GMT -5
I thought it was good for a while. Then not. But whatever it’s been for the last year or so hasn’t been working like gangbusters so, good I guess? Thinking out loud but maybe Tony’s brain is more apt to booking when it comes to booking with stats. So whatever floats his boat. But plz don’t bring back those qualifier matches, or whatever they were called when the number one contender had to beat the champion in a non title match in order to get a shot.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2024 22:34:36 GMT -5
I ended up not being a fan of the rankings by the time they were retired. But at least there's no Dark or Elevation to pad records this time. Hopefully it works out better this time.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 20, 2024 22:36:24 GMT -5
I'm not anti-rankings, but I'm also not a proponent of being strict about "Only #1 gets a shot", especially when there aren't any rules about WHEN #1 gets that shot.
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Post by Denny Zen on Jan 20, 2024 22:40:36 GMT -5
I'm not anti-rankings, but I'm also not a proponent of being strict about "Only #1 gets a shot", especially when there aren't any rules about WHEN #1 gets that shot. Agree. I think it should be more along the lines of #1 can issue a challenge for the title at any time. Even in “real” combat sports the rules for who gets title shots aren’t that rigid.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 20, 2024 22:41:25 GMT -5
I'm not anti-rankings, but I'm also not a proponent of being strict about "Only #1 gets a shot", especially when there aren't any rules about WHEN #1 gets that shot. That's a good point. I'm pro-rankings as a tool to tell the audience "here are the folks at the top of the food chain" and generally will inform title matches. But like the UFC or any fighting organization, sometimes it makes sense to book the #2 contender if the person in front of him lost a title match recently.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2024 22:42:02 GMT -5
I'm not anti-rankings, but I'm also not a proponent of being strict about "Only #1 gets a shot", especially when there aren't any rules about WHEN #1 gets that shot. Yeah I got no problem with that. The number one contender has a guaranteed shot at X event. Doesn't mean that the title can't change hands in the meantime. Just means they're next up no matter what.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 20, 2024 22:46:12 GMT -5
I would love to see a ranking system that encourages backstage violence. If you're able to ambush a champion and beat them up in the toilet; you're the #1 contender. The more violent the attack, the more title shots you earn.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 20, 2024 22:50:16 GMT -5
I would love to see a ranking system that encourages backstage violence. If you're able to ambush a champion and beat them up in the toilet; you're the #1 contender. The more violent the attack, the more title shots you earn. Would you really want to ambush Samoa Joe on the toilet?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 20, 2024 22:52:20 GMT -5
I'm not anti-rankings, but I'm also not a proponent of being strict about "Only #1 gets a shot", especially when there aren't any rules about WHEN #1 gets that shot. Yeah I got no problem with that. The number one contender has a guaranteed shot at X event. Doesn't mean that the title can't change hands in the meantime. Just means they're next up no matter what. I'm thinking more that whoever is #1 at the end of a month has to declare a date (before the end of the next month) that they want their title shot. If there's a major event, book it for then. If the next major event is more than 30 days away, well, they have to declare for a shot on regular TV. And if they don't declare, someone else can beat them and pass them in the rankings (or someone else in the top 5 can say "If #1 won't commit, how about the champion pick me?", in which case it's up to the champion) to take that privilege away.
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