Vince S.A. Lawsuit Thread (Vince Resigns Page 60)

[Allie Kitsune]

Aug 30, 2024 14:58:06 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Guy who doesn't care about when people do bad things but is in literally every thread about people doing bad things to judge everyone else for caring

Guilt (and suspecting deep down that all of your peers hate you) is a hell of a drug.

[sdoyle7798]

Aug 31, 2024 7:38:08 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom from consequences.

But you know what is free for everyone?

Shutting the f*** up.

[polarbearpete]

Grant’s reps confirmed that Grant was approached about being interviewed for the Netflix docuseries but she turned it down.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Sept 3, 2024 21:46:59 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Grant’s reps confirmed that Grant was approached about being interviewed for the Netflix docuseries but she turned it down.

If true it makes sense, you do not talk about on going cases to the media. It can and will hurt you.

["Magic" Mark Hurr]

[HIM]

Yeah I'm definitely watching that. Looks wild.

[Legion]

That was a great trailer.

I'm hooked already.

I dont think will be a total 'hit piece' but I dont think it'll be a complete whitewash.

Netflix isnt poisoning the well they just chucked billions in to for the rights.

[BRV]

Sept 5, 2024 11:58:33 GMT -5 Legion said:

That was a great trailer.

I'm hooked already.

I dont think will be a total 'hit piece' but I dont think it'll be a complete whitewash.

Netflix isnt poisoning the well they just chucked billions in to for the rights.

It's six episodes, so I'd imagine the crux of each episode would be:

1. 1950s through early 1980s: Vince McMahon's upbringing, meeting his father, working his way into the professional wrestling industry, and eventually buying out the company from Vince Sr.

2. 1980s: The death of the territory era, the rise of WWF as a national brand, Rock 'n' Wrestling, Hulkamania, WrestleMania I, WrestleMania III

3. Early to mid 1990s: The decline of the product in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the steroid trials, the onset of WCW, WWF hitting rock bottom

4. Late 1990s to 2000s: The Monday Night Wars, the Attitude Era, the death of Owen Hart, the XFL

5. Mid 2000s to 2010s: The deaths of WCW and ECW and being the only game in town, Chris Benoit's murder-suicide, the PG Era and creative downturn of the 2010s

6. 2020s: Vince's 2022 retirement, returning as chairman six months later, the TKO merger, Janel Grant's allegations, resigning in disgrace and what wrestling is without him around

[Bang Bang Bart]

Sept 5, 2024 12:15:05 GMT -5 BRV said:

Sept 5, 2024 11:58:33 GMT -5 Legion said:

That was a great trailer.

I'm hooked already.

I dont think will be a total 'hit piece' but I dont think it'll be a complete whitewash.

Netflix isnt poisoning the well they just chucked billions in to for the rights.

It's six episodes, so I'd imagine the crux of each episode would be:

1. 1950s through early 1980s: Vince McMahon's upbringing, meeting his father, working his way into the professional wrestling industry, and eventually buying out the company from Vince Sr.

2. 1980s: The death of the territory era, the rise of WWF as a national brand, Rock 'n' Wrestling, Hulkamania, WrestleMania I, WrestleMania III

3. Early to mid 1990s: The decline of the product in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the steroid trials, the onset of WCW, WWF hitting rock bottom

4. Late 1990s to 2000s: The Monday Night Wars, the Attitude Era, the death of Owen Hart, the XFL

5. Mid 2000s to 2010s: The deaths of WCW and ECW and being the only game in town, Chris Benoit's murder-suicide, the PG Era and creative downturn of the 2010s

6. 2020s: Vince's 2022 retirement, returning as chairman six months later, the TKO merger, Janel Grant's allegations, resigning in disgrace and what wrestling is without him around

Final episode is definitely ending with a “WWE is better off without Vince” montage.

[Pure Fusion Jesse Walsh]

I’ll square where I should circle and circle where I should square.

I don’t give a shit.

[dumpstermatchblues]

No chance that's what ya got (of seeing anyone in WWE, from Vince on down, ever being held accountable).

A better fanbase would boycott this shit.

[hitman777]

Sept 5, 2024 13:34:39 GMT -5 dumpstermatchblues said:

No chance that's what ya got (of seeing anyone in WWE, from Vince on down, ever being held accountable).

A better fanbase would boycott this shit.

I'm willing to give it a shot. It seems it was likely meant to be a puff piece, but the latest revelations have turned it into something else entirely.

[The Heenan Family]

Assuming that episode one deals with his life leading up to WrestleMania 1, I'll be looking for several things.


1) How it frames the history of company. What do they say about the partnership of Vince Sr and Toots Mondt up until Toots sold his half (50%) of the company? Also, does it clearly state that Vince Sr had partners like Marella, Skaaland, Savoldi, and Zacko. Does it mention that Vince Sr got into this business because his father, Jess, was a boxing/wrestling promoter? Does it mention the WWWF joining the NWA again in the early 1970s? Basically, does this documentary spew the garbage narrative that WWE usually gives regarding its own history, or does it acknowledge that Rome wasn't built in a day...by one man.

2) How it explains the way in which Vince got his job in the WWWF. Do they explain that Ray Morgan asked for a raise after Vince Sr wanted him to travel further for television tapings, was denied the raise and fired, and his announcing gig given to Vince Jr?

3) Does it go into Vince assisting Jimmy Snuka after Snuka murdered a woman? Not just by speaking with the police, but continuously employing Snuka for decades. Maybe this can be saved for episode two.



Oh sure, Vince living with his mom in a trailer park, with an abusive stepfather, going to military school, and marrying Linda McMahon are very important and key to his story, but these are the things that normally get brought up regarding Vince's early years.

[Lizuka #BLM]

I'd recommend for anyone who hasn't listened to it to look up the Behind the Bastards on Vince.

[Legion]

Sept 5, 2024 17:36:58 GMT -5 The Heenan Family said:

Assuming that episode one deals with his life leading up to WrestleMania 1, I'll be looking for several things.


1) How it frames the history of company. What do they say about the partnership of Vince Sr and Toots Mondt up until Toots sold his half (50%) of the company? Also, does it clearly state that Vince Sr had partners like Marella, Skaaland, Savoldi, and Zacko. Does it mention that Vince Sr got into this business because his father, Jess, was a boxing/wrestling promoter? Does it mention the WWWF joining the NWA again in the early 1970s? Basically, does this documentary spew the garbage narrative that WWE usually gives regarding its own history, or does it acknowledge that Rome wasn't built in a day...by one man.

2) How it explains the way in which Vince got his job in the WWWF. Do they explain that Ray Morgan asked for a raise after Vince Sr wanted him to travel further for television tapings, was denied the raise and fired, and his announcing gig given to Vince Jr?

3) Does it go into Vince assisting Jimmy Snuka after Snuka murdered a woman? Not just by speaking with the police, but continuously employing Snuka for decades. Maybe this can be saved for episode two.



Oh sure, Vince living with his mom in a trailer park, with an abusive stepfather, going to military school, and marrying Linda McMahon are very important and key to his story, but these are the things that normally get brought up regarding Vince's early years.

I would say none of 1-3 get brought up. It isnt a big enough part of the story they are going to be telling and you know that. This looks to be the rise and fall of Mr McMahon, not a comprehensive look at the minutia of company history.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Sept 5, 2024 18:36:49 GMT -5 Legion said:

Sept 5, 2024 17:36:58 GMT -5 The Heenan Family said:

Assuming that episode one deals with his life leading up to WrestleMania 1, I'll be looking for several things.


1) How it frames the history of company. What do they say about the partnership of Vince Sr and Toots Mondt up until Toots sold his half (50%) of the company? Also, does it clearly state that Vince Sr had partners like Marella, Skaaland, Savoldi, and Zacko. Does it mention that Vince Sr got into this business because his father, Jess, was a boxing/wrestling promoter? Does it mention the WWWF joining the NWA again in the early 1970s? Basically, does this documentary spew the garbage narrative that WWE usually gives regarding its own history, or does it acknowledge that Rome wasn't built in a day...by one man.

2) How it explains the way in which Vince got his job in the WWWF. Do they explain that Ray Morgan asked for a raise after Vince Sr wanted him to travel further for television tapings, was denied the raise and fired, and his announcing gig given to Vince Jr?

3) Does it go into Vince assisting Jimmy Snuka after Snuka murdered a woman? Not just by speaking with the police, but continuously employing Snuka for decades. Maybe this can be saved for episode two.



Oh sure, Vince living with his mom in a trailer park, with an abusive stepfather, going to military school, and marrying Linda McMahon are very important and key to his story, but these are the things that normally get brought up regarding Vince's early years.

I would say none of 1-3 get brought up. It isnt a big enough part of the story they are going to be telling and you know that. This looks to be the rise and fall of Mr McMahon, not a comprehensive look at the minutia of company history.

No, #1 is in fact very important; groundwork should be laid maybe not to exhaustive detail, but certainly about the lineage of the McMahon family before Vince bought the company. I think not acknowledging that and letting Vince run his revisionist take on how he is the one who took a 'small regional promotion' and made it a prime time nationwide smash hit is engaging in a hagiography that no independent Vince piece deserves. Six episodes is a lot of room to run a lot of ground and the self-made myth he projects should not be allowed to stand just because there's more salacious comments out there in the world. Even in brief, they should pay mind to the real history; his father selling him the succcessful company that was already poised to take off is not an irrelevant detail of Vince's rise.

[MrElijah]

Sept 5, 2024 19:58:29 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Sept 5, 2024 18:36:49 GMT -5 Legion said:

I would say none of 1-3 get brought up. It isnt a big enough part of the story they are going to be telling and you know that. This looks to be the rise and fall of Mr McMahon, not a comprehensive look at the minutia of company history.

No, #1 is in fact very important; groundwork should be laid maybe not to exhaustive detail, but certainly about the lineage of the McMahon family before Vince bought the company. I think not acknowledging that and letting Vince run his revisionist take on how he is the one who took a 'small regional promotion' and made it a prime time nationwide smash hit is engaging in a hagiography that no independent Vince piece deserves. Six episodes is a lot of room to run a lot of ground and the self-made myth he projects should not be allowed to stand just because there's more salacious comments out there in the world. Even in brief, they should pay mind to the real history; his father selling him the succcessful company that was already poised to take off is not an irrelevant detail of Vince's rise.

When you take a hard, unbiased look on the rise of the WWF from, you realize how much was put in place for Vince to succeed, how much luck was needed and how much depended on his rivals f***ing up royally.

[XIII]

Sept 5, 2024 20:08:30 GMT -5 MrElijah said:

Sept 5, 2024 19:58:29 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

No, #1 is in fact very important; groundwork should be laid maybe not to exhaustive detail, but certainly about the lineage of the McMahon family before Vince bought the company. I think not acknowledging that and letting Vince run his revisionist take on how he is the one who took a 'small regional promotion' and made it a prime time nationwide smash hit is engaging in a hagiography that no independent Vince piece deserves. Six episodes is a lot of room to run a lot of ground and the self-made myth he projects should not be allowed to stand just because there's more salacious comments out there in the world. Even in brief, they should pay mind to the real history; his father selling him the succcessful company that was already poised to take off is not an irrelevant detail of Vince's rise.

When you take a hard, unbiased look on the rise of the WWF from, you realize how much was put in place for Vince to succeed, how much luck was needed and how much depended on his rivals f***ing up royally.

Also how huge a part that Lorne Michaels and stealing ideas from other places allowed him to succeed.  Lorne was the one that wanted bigger production values, rock music, and an overall more polished product.  World Class had been doing music videos for its wrestlers a few years before Vince. Among other things.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Sept 5, 2024 20:08:30 GMT -5 MrElijah said:

Sept 5, 2024 19:58:29 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

No, #1 is in fact very important; groundwork should be laid maybe not to exhaustive detail, but certainly about the lineage of the McMahon family before Vince bought the company. I think not acknowledging that and letting Vince run his revisionist take on how he is the one who took a 'small regional promotion' and made it a prime time nationwide smash hit is engaging in a hagiography that no independent Vince piece deserves. Six episodes is a lot of room to run a lot of ground and the self-made myth he projects should not be allowed to stand just because there's more salacious comments out there in the world. Even in brief, they should pay mind to the real history; his father selling him the succcessful company that was already poised to take off is not an irrelevant detail of Vince's rise.

When you take a hard, unbiased look on the rise of the WWF from, you realize how much was put in place for Vince to succeed, how much luck was needed and how much depended on his rivals f***ing up royally.

Exactly. We don't need them to go into the whole history of '80s wrestling, but I think it's presenting something that contradicts Vince's version of history and establishes that this is not the story of an amazing self-made man who did some rape after creating what wrestling is today, but a crooked liar whose control freak tendencies have grossly revised his own history in an attempt to make himself look better because his ego demanded it. Historical revisionism is a central facet of the true Vince McMahon and the true story of all he's done.