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Post by doomish on Jan 25, 2024 21:27:53 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been posted, but the lady who posted the creepy Randy Orton autograph responded and noted that she was 14 years old when he wrote that.
f***ing 14.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 25, 2024 21:28:05 GMT -5
WWE doesn’t need to completely die, but there needs to be a reckoning and a large scale outside investigation. This problem starts at Vince but it doesn’t end at him. As for the Rumble… I dunno. I don’t know. I was already iffy on it, I still am, but Peacock already has my $2 (gave me a discount for trying to cancel) and… I dunno. Will see how I feel and how the company’s responded to it by Saturday. Yeah I have friends having me and my wife over for the rumble. My wife read the story and isn’t going now. I want to see my friends and I think I’m gonna go BUT if Lesnar shows up on screen I’m just gonna have to excuse myself and leave. |
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 25, 2024 21:29:24 GMT -5
the shutting down talk seems less like close everything and put Jack Evans best ofs on USA weekly til its figured out and more like a Ship Of Theseus with management and staff "AND YOU KNOW THIS.....MAAAAAAN!" |
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Post by XIII on Jan 25, 2024 21:29:37 GMT -5
I see, thanks for clearing that up. I feel bad for Endeavor and Netflix by extension. This will be very bad PR. TKO's response has been very telling on this. Them saying the situation is horrific strongly indicates they are prepping to oust Vince. I know Dave was on the CBC news channel like 20 minutes ago and mentioned that in his 52 years of reporting, Vince has survived a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have, but even he thinks Vince isn't surviving this. Of course he’s not surviving this. He’s a huge liability and was only ever with TKO as a thank you for getting the deal done. They’ve been distancing from him since like a week after the merger when they saw how he operates at shows and with all of his baggage. Dude will be gone tomorrow. |
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jan 25, 2024 21:29:45 GMT -5
WWE is too big to fail. The only ever way it ever receives punishment that threatens its survival is if they anger the IRS or other agencies involved in financing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 21:29:55 GMT -5
IMO if they do not clean house of anyone that was is still closely tied with Vince , knowingly did not speak up whether this is execs or even talent then this is FOREVER going to hang over WWE , endeavour , TKO etc whatever they wanna call themselves.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jan 25, 2024 21:31:40 GMT -5
Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus Two things - 1 - I can understand, in the heat of the moment why the calls for shutting the WWE down are happening. Not that WWE should be shut down, just that I can see why people are calling for that. 2 - I read the 4th sentence as "True monster shit and he is reprehensible for his own actions and should be condemned as such". Which is also true. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 25, 2024 21:31:59 GMT -5
Shutting down the company doesn't sit well with me, there's a lot of employees.
Removing everyone who had power during Vince McMahon's time? Yes that means Hunter, high level agents, Brock, etc.? I can get behind that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2024 21:33:23 GMT -5
That's a better way of putting it. Not shut down permanently but this needs to stay with the same energy it has now by WSJ covering it, real journalists with real questions being asked instead of acting like wrestling should be above consequences as people almost always act like. If it is a toxic environment that led to a woman being gang raped repeatedly and paid off with the company's money it is not by any stretch of the imagination "weird" or wrong to question said company and cut the lesions that are in there, primarily starting with Vince and Laurinitis. Acting like it is just Vince when you have at least Vince, Johnny and several other yet to be named executives who knew about it does not mean you get tunnel vision on one creepy motherf***er, Johnny at the very least raped her too. It is a company with literal human trafficking, why the f*** would you focus on one person who will be gone soon instead of everyone who did that to her and see if it happened elsewhere. And honestly, the people going "NO! Only look into Vince!" are kind of either missing the forest for the trees or don't want to believe there could potentially be other problems. I get it, nobody should be having fingers pointed at them. But there is obviously a deep, dark network of vile shit in that company. Maybe Vince and only Vince knew about it, but the company *has* to be flipped upside down to get to the bottom of things. And like I said, not even WWE. This goes beyond our enjoyment of wrestling. Oh yeah, everything should for sure be looked into to determine who else is involved. I just don’t like the finger pointing at specific people right now before we know anything else. |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jan 25, 2024 21:33:38 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been posted, but the lady who posted the creepy Randy Orton autograph responded and noted that she was 14 years old when he wrote that. f***ing 14. Apologies if it's been discussed already, but can anyone fill me in on this? |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Jan 25, 2024 21:35:10 GMT -5
I've been following along all day but all I can say is WHAT THE f***
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 25, 2024 21:35:48 GMT -5
Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus Two things - 1 - I can understand, in the heat of the moment why the calls for shutting the WWE down are happening. Not that WWE should be shut down, just that I can see why people are calling for that. 2 - I read the 4th sentence as "True monster shit and he is reprehensible for his own actions and should be condemned as such". Which is also true. I get heat of the moment but that is not how shit works and condemning the 99.9% of the company for the very few is not the way it should work unless it is a company wide problem meaning the shit trickles down from the CEO to the Custodian Vince is a reprehensible monster and needs his ass whooped |
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 25, 2024 21:36:57 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been posted, but the lady who posted the creepy Randy Orton autograph responded and noted that she was 14 years old when he wrote that. f***ing 14. In the grand scheme of things this has no real relevance to a thread about a man beating the hell out of, raping, and and shitting on a woman. What Orton did was morally 'normal' for generations and in a lot of places/spheres it's still not really looked down on. I mean I can't say I'd be doing it but that kind of groupie culture is/was so profoundly regular with celebrities that i'm also not going to be outraged by it - it was 2002, she told him she was 15, he was about 20 or 21 I think. It's a bit below an Elvis in terms of ickyness. Considering Orton he might have much worse from that period to get angry about. It shouldn't come as a surprise anyway. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 25, 2024 21:37:08 GMT -5
Apologies if this has already been posted, but the lady who posted the creepy Randy Orton autograph responded and noted that she was 14 years old when he wrote that. f***ing 14. Apologies if it's been discussed already, but can anyone fill me in on this? Basically a tweet years ago that’s now started gaining traction again where a woman hosted an autograph from Orton saying something like, “You look cute, call me next year.” Also Brock was present when this happened. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 21:37:12 GMT -5
Oh no for sure, I do actually know. I was asking rhetorically; my point is more that what Vince did still requires 'recruitment' in some form. Across what is likely decades of this habit, that's a lot of people. A lot of people who had to have gotten far enough along something or talked shit with enough locker room bravado to end up getting that invitation and going "Oh wait no like for real?" Maybe some were aware that Vince made these types of offers or this type of conversation with them, but does that now implicate them in something that went into straight up sexual assault and possible rape? If they didn’t actually know about that but just thought maybe it was happening because they had been asked or shown explicit material ? The whole thing is crazy and disgusting so I’d hate to lump people in that didn’t actually do the crazy and disgusting things. Depends on their level of involvement, and what they did with that information. I think the potential for dozens, if not hundreds of wrestlers to be silent about their boss and coworkers exploiting people like this is pretty f***ing vile, yeah. That doesn't mean they did the thing themselves, but if this was widespread knowledge and only respect/fear of Vince and the knowledge it would tear down a ton of their friends in the process kept them quiet then that is really f***ed up. But then the higher you go up the chain, into people with executive levels or major roles in the company, yeah, you do approach levels of active cover-up and enabling a whole lot more. It's bad. It's all bad. The stuff stated in the report paints a horrifying picture of a culture supportive of this stuff. If half of the stuff said about other people in that complaint is true then I really don't see how this doesn't put a microscope under everyone for at least silently letting that stuff happen. Like I don't know how all this stuff can be true, and people like Prichard not be fully aware of it going on. |
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Post by mistery on Jan 25, 2024 21:37:37 GMT -5
IMO if they do not clean house of anyone that was is still closely tied with Vince , knowingly did not speak up whether this is execs or even talent then this is FOREVER going to hang over WWE , endeavour , TKO etc whatever they wanna call themselves. The most likely outcome is that WWE/TKO settles with Janet, ousts Vince, supports her case, and everyone moves on. I doubt anyone besides Vince and maybe Brock are getting ousted, as no one else being explicitly named in the lawsuit indicates that Janet's legal team isn't positive they can get anyone else nailed to the wall on this. I should add into this that Nick, Stephanie, and Triple H all have grounds for protection, as they signed a letter urging Vince to not come back as he was deemed toxic to the workplace culture, and all of them originally voted to keep Vince off the board (Dave mentioned on THE BOARD that Stephanie changed her vote to yes after she was pressured though). |
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jan 25, 2024 21:40:10 GMT -5
Here's my thing...how many of you will actually stop watching? Me, I feel weird reading this while I was in the midst of my WWF 1986-1996 TV binge watch. I'm in February 1995 and reading all of this and watching Vince feels just so odd. You hope it ain't true, but if it is so, so it is. The timing though and source is the part where I raise eyebrows but thats as someone who has studied a lot of media the last 15 years. The best bet for WWE going forward is moving on, for the fans its follow your moral compass, but I can't stand anything more on the web than people who say what they don't mean and a lot of you gotta stand by your word. As for Vince and Brock and Johnny Ace, they never had a lot of good will with me and if it becomes concrete and more comes out like what happened with Sandusky and Penn State, its gonna make a lot of old wrestling hard to watch. I even question how I feel going forward watching this and having experienced my own situation in the past with an organization committing misdeeds behind the scenes to others. It's scary when you see the world for what it is. I'm not going to lie to anyone here and say that with 100% certainty that this will make me stop watching any WWE television, archival or current. To elaborate on my current situation, in Australia WWE's programming are on streaming services that me and my family pay for primarily for other sports and TV programs, so I have no leverage in terms of a de facto "protest vote". As it stands with my work schedule and the time difference between the United States and Australia, the shows air live during the late morning/early afternoon so I can't watch the shows live anyway, except the occasional NXT and the PPVs. And with my poor impulse control, by the time I get home, I've already read through reports of the shows through news sites or this very forum so there's no point in me watching live anyway until it's time to speed through the matches for my points ranking project. It's complicated. We know basically three people for sure that were named in this lawsuit, and only one of them was potentially going to be in the Royal Rumble on Saturday. But one of the other two, even if he's out of direct day-to-day creative direction of the weekly fake fighting TV show, is LITERALLY the guy who spent 40 F***ING YEARS trying to craft professional wrestling into his image, basically made the name of his company shorthand for the entire genre itself. That's unmatched influence and power, and THIS is what he was choosing to do with it. And then there's all the reasonable speculation about who else knew, and how much they might have known, and how long they might have known about it and what they did or didn't do, and because this situation covers both corporate and talent (because there's people now in one that spent a long time as the other), that casts a MASSIVE shadow across the company and the on-screen product. It's sickening, and I completely get anyone who wants to disengage themselves entirely at this point. I just can't guarantee 100% that I'd be doing that myself on the simple basis of my own personality and FOMO in regards to, at the very least, the Royal Rumble which has been my favourite recurring show since I started being a fan 25 years ago, and airs live on my day off of work. I'm still going to watch because I can separate the majority of the product from the monster at the top but bluntly put, nobody should be made to feel like an asshole for either stepping back at least until things are cleared out or for sticking around because of their feelings on the matter. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 25, 2024 21:40:24 GMT -5
IMO if they do not clean house of anyone that was is still closely tied with Vince , knowingly did not speak up whether this is execs or even talent then this is FOREVER going to hang over WWE , endeavour , TKO etc whatever they wanna call themselves. The most likely outcome is that WWE/TKO settles with Janet, ousts Vince, supports her case, and everyone moves on. I doubt anyone besides Vince and maybe Brock are getting ousted, as their connections haven't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Vince has been listed as a liability since TKO was founded They been trying to get rid of him since the merger. At a certain point they might just bring someone in to buy Vince shares or buy it themselves but they not going to spend a dime defending him. Brock already out the door and he is going to run to his farm in Canada |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Jan 25, 2024 21:44:48 GMT -5
The most likely outcome is that WWE/TKO settles with Janet, ousts Vince, supports her case, and everyone moves on. I doubt anyone besides Vince and maybe Brock are getting ousted, as their connections haven't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Vince has been listed as a liability since TKO was founded They been trying to get rid of him since the merger. At a certain point they might just bring someone in to buy Vince shares or buy it themselves but they not going to spend a dime defending him. Brock already out the door and he is going to run to his farm in Canada any chance Lesnar shows up for the Rumble on Saturday has just dropped to absolute zero. |
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Post by mistery on Jan 25, 2024 21:44:56 GMT -5
The most likely outcome is that WWE/TKO settles with Janet, ousts Vince, supports her case, and everyone moves on. I doubt anyone besides Vince and maybe Brock are getting ousted, as their connections haven't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Vince has been listed as a liability since TKO was founded They been trying to get rid of him since the merger. At a certain point they might just bring someone in to buy Vince shares or buy it themselves but they not going to spend a dime defending him. Brock already out the door and he is going to run to his farm in Canada I never said they are going to defend him though. I said they would most likely support HER case. As in Janet. Not Vince. |
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