Vince S.A. Lawsuit Thread (Vince Resigns Page 60)

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Idk how involved Brock was with this (It doesn't sound great though), but I think it'd be safe to say if they were planning on him returning at the Rumble they should really, REALLY hold off on that until they figure everything out at the very least.

[The Ichi]

Jan 25, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents

Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such

Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

[Dub H]

Jan 25, 2024 20:59:55 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

Wakes up from sleeping since I do graveyard shift.

What the f***? Yeah, Vince has to go. There's no way you can keep him around after this. Everybody has to go.

Roman, Seth, and others won't make public statements due to TKO already putting out a statement. The most we'll get at the scrum is "This is an ongoing situation that is being investigated, and is currently in the courts, we will not comment at this time."

f*** Brad Shepard for leaking the accuser's name. You don't do that shit.

The worst part is that according to the lawsuit, WWE fed the name to brad Shepard. Absolute no morality in a single bone of his body

[Celgress]

Jan 25, 2024 21:12:25 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents

Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such

Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

If human tracking is involved and Vince still owns a large block of shares, the Feds could seize WWE assets and forcibly liquidate the company depending on the outcome of any investigation. Human tracking is a federal offense with very harsh criminal and civil penalties.

[Denny Zen is Cooking™]

Jan 25, 2024 21:12:25 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents

Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such

Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

I also don’t think it’s weirdo shit to have the perfectly reasonable take that it’s going to be very difficult to separate Vince from the company that he created and has been the figurehead of for four decades.

[Kalmia]

I don't think WWE should be shut down. But that lawsuit describes more than just one guy (two including Laurinaitis) being a rapist in secret behind closed doors. It talks about an entire culture that supported it and enabled it, in a varying level of degrees. Sure, looking at photos isn't as bad as the stuff Vince did, of course it isn't, but it helps Vince get away with it. Those systemic problems need to be addressed and it shouldn't just begin and end with Vince. Root out everyone.

[polarbearpete]

Jan 25, 2024 20:56:22 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Jan 25, 2024 20:50:58 GMT -5 Celgress said:

I've had a couple of creepy bosses over the years. Generally, they start with little things like making small talk to learn what you are into then they slowly push boundaries so they can learn if you are morally pliable; i.e (crude example situation because I'm not a dark empath who can manipulate others easily) "I've seen weird shit online. What do you think about this one weird prono I saw? Sure it was messed up but it was also kind of hot in a dark way, do you agree?". Only then if they confirm you're "trustworthy" do they indoctrinate you into their depraved world.

Oh no for sure, I do actually know. I was asking rhetorically; my point is more that what Vince did still requires 'recruitment' in some form. Across what is likely decades of this habit, that's a lot of people. A lot of people who had to have gotten far enough along something or talked shit with enough locker room bravado to end up getting that invitation and going "Oh wait no like for real?"

Maybe some were aware that Vince made these types of offers or this type of conversation with them, but does that now implicate them in something that went into straight up sexual assault and possible rape? If they didn’t actually know about that but just thought maybe it was happening because they had been asked or shown explicit material ? The whole thing is crazy and disgusting so I’d hate to lump people in that didn’t actually do the crazy and disgusting things.

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

Jan 25, 2024 21:12:25 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents

Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such

Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

That's a better way of putting it. Not shut down permanently but this needs to stay with the same energy it has now by WSJ covering it, real journalists with real questions being asked instead of acting like wrestling should be above consequences as people almost always act like. If it is a toxic environment that led to a woman being gang raped repeatedly and paid off with the company's money it is not by any stretch of the imagination "weird" or wrong to question said company and cut the lesions that are in there, primarily starting with Vince and Laurinitis. Acting like it is just Vince when you have at least Vince, Johnny and several other yet to be named executives who knew about it does not mean you get tunnel vision on one creepy motherf***er, Johnny at the very least raped her too.

It is a company with literal human trafficking, why the f*** would you focus on one person who will be gone soon instead of everyone who did that to her and see if it happened elsewhere. 

[Lizuka #BLM]

WWE doesn’t need to completely die, but there needs to be a reckoning and a large scale outside investigation. This problem starts at Vince but it doesn’t end at him.

As for the Rumble… I dunno. I don’t know. I was already iffy on it, I still am, but Peacock already has my $2 (gave me a discount for trying to cancel) and… I dunno. Will see how I feel and how the company’s responded to it by Saturday.

[mistery]

Jan 25, 2024 21:14:33 GMT -5 Celgress said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:12:25 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

If human tracking is involved and Vince still owns a large block of shares, the Feds could size WWE assets and forcibly liquidate the company depending on the outcome of any investigation. Human tracking is a federal offense with very harsh criminal and civil penalties.

Vince sold all of his WWE shares to Endeavor, and has ~11% of the shares in TKO. The feds won't seize TKO, as this incident predates the new company. WWE, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists on the stock exchange.

[06vwgti]

Jan 25, 2024 21:15:21 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

I don't think WWE should be shut down. But that lawsuit describes more than just one guy (two including Laurinaitis) being a rapist in secret behind closed doors. It talks about an entire culture that supported it and enabled it, in a varying level of degrees. Sure, looking at photos isn't as bad as the stuff Vince did, of course it isn't, but it helps Vince get away with it. Those systemic problems need to be addressed and it shouldn't just begin and end with Vince. Root out everyone.

And the fact that photos and videos were being shared. It just wouldnt shock me footage is on someone's cloud drive. Voyeurism laws should apply I am guessing if some of it was done without her consent

[MolotovMocktail]

Jan 25, 2024 21:14:57 GMT -5 Denny Zen is Cooking™ said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:12:25 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

I also don’t think it’s weirdo shit to have the perfectly reasonable take that it’s going to be very difficult to separate Vince from the company that he created and has been the figurehead of for four decades.

Technically Vince Sr. started it, and Jr. was its caretaker for the past few decades.

But back to my earlier analogy, Vegas casinos for years had the stench of mob ownership. But eventually better people took over, some survived (though the rise of the mega-resorts means only about 4 left from the mob era in the Strip now), and better people now run them. Hopefully that’s what happens here.

[Celgress]

Jan 25, 2024 21:20:24 GMT -5 mistery said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:14:33 GMT -5 Celgress said:

If human tracking is involved and Vince still owns a large block of shares, the Feds could size WWE assets and forcibly liquidate the company depending on the outcome of any investigation. Human tracking is a federal offense with very harsh criminal and civil penalties.

Vince sold all of his WWE shares to Endeavor, and has ~11% of the shares in TKO. The feds won't seize TKO, as this incident predates the new company. WWE, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists on the stock exchange.

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

I feel bad for Endeavor and Netflix by extension. This will be very bad PR.

[Allie Kitsune]

Jan 25, 2024 21:21:17 GMT -5 06vwgti said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:15:21 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

I don't think WWE should be shut down. But that lawsuit describes more than just one guy (two including Laurinaitis) being a rapist in secret behind closed doors. It talks about an entire culture that supported it and enabled it, in a varying level of degrees. Sure, looking at photos isn't as bad as the stuff Vince did, of course it isn't, but it helps Vince get away with it. Those systemic problems need to be addressed and it shouldn't just begin and end with Vince. Root out everyone.

And the fact that photos and videos were being shared. It just wouldnt shock me footage is on someone's cloud drive. Voyeurism laws should apply I am guessing if some of it was done without her consent

Anyone who had photo or video evidence and didn't immediately turn it over to the authorities needs to be blackballed at bare minimum, and preferably criminally charged.

[MrElijah]

Jan 25, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents

Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such

Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus

Straight up, Vince and everyone directly involved in this madness needs an ass whipping or 6.

[polarbearpete]

Jan 25, 2024 21:15:21 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

I don't think WWE should be shut down. But that lawsuit describes more than just one guy (two including Laurinaitis) being a rapist in secret behind closed doors. It talks about an entire culture that supported it and enabled it, in a varying level of degrees. Sure, looking at photos isn't as bad as the stuff Vince did, of course it isn't, but it helps Vince get away with it. Those systemic problems need to be addressed and it shouldn't just begin and end with Vince. Root out everyone.

I think all the employees should definitely be interviewed about what they know and retrained in sexual harassment complaints and conduct, and how they’re protected from retaliation if they file a complaint. It should be a point of emphasis that they clean that aspect of the culture up.

[Denny Zen is Cooking™]

Jan 25, 2024 21:21:26 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:14:57 GMT -5 Denny Zen is Cooking™ said:

I also don’t think it’s weirdo shit to have the perfectly reasonable take that it’s going to be very difficult to separate Vince from the company that he created and has been the figurehead of for four decades.

Technically Vince Sr. started it, and Jr. was its caretaker for the past few decades.

But back to my earlier analogy, Vegas casinos for years had the stench of mob ownership. But eventually better people took over, some survived (though the rise of the mega-resorts means only about 4 left from the mob era in the Strip now), and better people now run them. Hopefully that’s what happens here.

I know. I’m saying WWE, the national conglomerate in the form that it has existed since the mid 80s, is Vince Jr.’s vision and Vince Jr.’s baby and it’s going to be difficult to separate it from Vince Jr.

I don’t want the company to be shut down, but it may be tough for a lot of people to watch for a while and I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Jan 25, 2024 20:42:29 GMT -5 OGBoardPoster2005 said:

Here's my thing...how many of you will actually stop watching?

Me, I feel weird reading this while I was in the midst of my WWF 1986-1996 TV binge watch. I'm in February 1995 and reading all of this and watching Vince feels just so odd.

You hope it ain't true, but if it is so, so it is. The timing though and source is the part where I raise eyebrows but thats as someone who has studied a lot of media the last 15 years.

The best bet for WWE going forward is moving on, for the fans its follow your moral compass, but I can't stand anything more on the web than people who say what they don't mean and a lot of you gotta stand by your word.

As for Vince and Brock and Johnny Ace, they never had a lot of good will with me and if it becomes concrete and more comes out like what happened with Sandusky and Penn State, its gonna make a lot of old wrestling hard to watch.

I even question how I feel going forward watching this and having experienced my own situation in the past with an organization committing misdeeds behind the scenes to others. It's scary when you see the world for what it is.

I'm not going to lie to anyone here and say that with 100% certainty that this will make me stop watching any WWE television, archival or current.

To elaborate on my current situation, in Australia WWE's programming are on streaming services that me and my family pay for primarily for other sports and TV programs, so I have no leverage in terms of a de facto "protest vote". As it stands with my work schedule and the time difference between the United States and Australia, the shows air live during the late morning/early afternoon so I can't watch the shows live anyway, except the occasional NXT and the PPVs. And with my poor impulse control, by the time I get home, I've already read through reports of the shows through news sites or this very forum so there's no point in me watching live anyway until it's time to speed through the matches for my points ranking project.

It's complicated. We know basically three people for sure that were named in this lawsuit, and only one of them was potentially going to be in the Royal Rumble on Saturday. But one of the other two, even if he's out of direct day-to-day creative direction of the weekly fake fighting TV show, is LITERALLY the guy who spent 40 F***ING YEARS trying to craft professional wrestling into his image, basically made the name of his company shorthand for the entire genre itself. That's unmatched influence and power, and THIS is what he was choosing to do with it. And then there's all the reasonable speculation about who else knew, and how much they might have known, and how long they might have known about it and what they did or didn't do, and because this situation covers both corporate and talent (because there's people now in one that spent a long time as the other), that casts a MASSIVE shadow across the company and the on-screen product. It's sickening, and I completely get anyone who wants to disengage themselves entirely at this point. I just can't guarantee 100% that I'd be doing that myself on the simple basis of my own personality and FOMO in regards to, at the very least, the Royal Rumble which has been my favourite recurring show since I started being a fan 25 years ago, and airs live on my day off of work.

[mistery]

Jan 25, 2024 21:21:51 GMT -5 Celgress said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:20:24 GMT -5 mistery said:

Vince sold all of his WWE shares to Endeavor, and has ~11% of the shares in TKO. The feds won't seize TKO, as this incident predates the new company. WWE, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists on the stock exchange.

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

I feel bad for Endeavor and Netflix by extension. This will be very bad PR.

TKO's response has been very telling on this. Them saying the situation is horrific strongly indicates they are prepping to oust Vince.

I know Dave was on the CBC news channel like 20 minutes ago and mentioned that in his 52 years of reporting, Vince has survived a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have, but even he thinks Vince isn't surviving this.

[The Ichi]

Jan 25, 2024 21:17:02 GMT -5 UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm said:

Jan 25, 2024 21:12:25 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

WWE shouldn't be shut down, but to get to the bottom of everything the company should be held under a full investigation. Maybe all wrestling companies, honestly.

That's a better way of putting it. Not shut down permanently but this needs to stay with the same energy it has now by WSJ covering it, real journalists with real questions being asked instead of acting like wrestling should be above consequences as people almost always act like. If it is a toxic environment that led to a woman being gang raped repeatedly and paid off with the company's money it is not by any stretch of the imagination "weird" or wrong to question said company and cut the lesions that are in there, primarily starting with Vince and Laurinitis. Acting like it is just Vince when you have at least Vince, Johnny and several other yet to be named executives who knew about it does not mean you get tunnel vision on one creepy motherf***er, Johnny at the very least raped her too.

It is a company with literal human trafficking, why the f*** would you focus on one person who will be gone soon instead of everyone who did that to her and see if it happened elsewhere. 

And honestly, the people going "NO! Only look into Vince!" are kind of either missing the forest for the trees or don't want to believe there could potentially be other problems. I get it, nobody should be having fingers pointed at them. But there is obviously a deep, dark network of vile shit in that company. Maybe Vince and only Vince knew about it, but the company *has* to be flipped upside down to get to the bottom of things. And like I said, not even WWE.

This goes beyond our enjoyment of wrestling.