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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 20:46:29 GMT -5
good luck choosing which of those two to respond to
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Post by mistery on Jan 25, 2024 20:49:16 GMT -5
Vince was the institution, though. Those responsible should pay and suffer the consequences to the fullest extent of the law (civil and/or criminal) and in the court of public opinion. No. It was Vince, his second in Johnny Ace, Brock Lesnar, and others he shared her with. It was the people who helped cover it up. Some of these people still there. That is just this time too. We know at a minimum this is like a decade old. These people make up the company, possibly run it. I'm not one who thinks WWE should be shut down, it would cripple the US wrestling scene, but it needs a deep cleaning. This is deeper than Vince and Ace and Brock. Here's the kicker though, and it's a big one. We don't know who would know. And the fact that only Vince was the only actual person explicitly named in the lawsuit you mentioned as a defendant, tells me that Grant's legal team probably isn't confident that they can get much further than that. She's going to have to prove that the company actively covered it up, which is a high bar to clear. There's a reason why there aren't any other executives explicitly named in the suit. It's also very possible that Vince lied to others in the company about their relationship, and gaslit them and/or her about it. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 20:49:16 GMT -5
good luck choosing which of those two to respond to Inside you are two wolves and both of them wanna say shit that's gonna get you put in time out |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 20:50:18 GMT -5
Here's my thing...how many of you will actually stop watching? Me, I feel weird reading this while I was in the midst of my WWF 1986-1996 TV binge watch. I'm in February 1995 and reading all of this and watching Vince feels just so odd. You hope it ain't true, but if it is so, so it is. The timing though and source is the part where I raise eyebrows but thats as someone who has studied a lot of media the last 15 years. The best bet for WWE going forward is moving on, for the fans its follow your moral compass, but I can't stand anything more on the web than people who say what they don't mean and a lot of you gotta stand by your word.As for Vince and Brock and Johnny Ace, they never had a lot of good will with me and if it becomes concrete and more comes out like what happened with Sandusky and Penn State, its gonna make a lot of old wrestling hard to watch. I even question how I feel going forward watching this and having experienced my own situation in the past with an organization committing misdeeds behind the scenes to others. It's scary when you see the world for what it is. Personally I can't stand rapists a bit more than I can't stand that group of people but hey you do you |
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Post by Celgress on Jan 25, 2024 20:50:58 GMT -5
You’d be shocked at what can happen at very small places of employment, with only a select few being aware of the absolute criminal behavior going on there. I see it all of the time. I’m extremely hesitant to make bold assumptions on such serious issues about people that haven’t even been named/accused of anything yet and just go scorched earth on them. Sure, but this isn't one or two people doing something. The suit names one wrestler and mentions others. How many other wrestlers might not be a number we ever learn, but like. How does one go around determining if their contracted wrestlers are amenable to being party to the sexual exploitation of a woman Vince is using as a party favour? The report claims that Vince just gave one wrestler her number and he wanted a piss vid. How does that come up in conversation? Does he brag about it? Does he ask if people want a piece? There's got to be wrestlers who've turned down the offer for some real f***ed p shit before. This isn't a quiet crime being kept hush hush, Vince was bragging about it. People knew and I don't think it's a reasonable prudence to say this was a tight-knit kind of thing. I'm not singling out any specific peopel to call rapists and enablers, but not only do none of the details of the story imply this was subtle, but a great many of them imply the literal opposite, and it's not doing these accounts justice to act otherwise. I've had a couple of creepy bosses over the years. Generally, they start with little things like making small talk to learn what you are into then they slowly push boundaries so they can learn if you are morally pliable; i.e (crude example situation because I'm not a dark empath who can manipulate others easily) "I've seen weird shit online. What do you think about this one weird prono I saw? Sure it was messed up but it was also kind of hot in a dark way, do you agree?". Only then if they confirm you're "trustworthy" do they indoctrinate you into their depraved world. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 25, 2024 20:51:10 GMT -5
Here's my thing...how many of you will actually stop watching? Me, I feel weird reading this while I was in the midst of my WWF 1986-1996 TV binge watch. I'm in February 1995 and reading all of this and watching Vince feels just so odd. You hope it ain't true, but if it is so, so it is. The timing though and source is the part where I raise eyebrows but thats as someone who has studied a lot of media the last 15 years. The best bet for WWE going forward is moving on, for the fans its follow your moral compass, but I can't stand anything more on the web than people who say what they don't mean and a lot of you gotta stand by your word. As for Vince and Brock and Johnny Ace, they never had a lot of good will with me and if it becomes concrete and more comes out like what happened with Sandusky and Penn State, its gonna make a lot of old wrestling hard to watch. I even question how I feel going forward watching this and having experienced my own situation in the past with an organization committing misdeeds behind the scenes to others. It's scary when you see the world for what it is. I'm going to watch the Rumble - because I've made plans with a friend to do so. But after that? I think I'm done. I already mostly consume wrestling from clips and GIFs and reading discussion threads. I'll be honest, I was at my end anyways given I haven't followed regularly since 2017, but I want to make it at least to Wrestlemania 40 because its in Philly and thats 3 hours from me. Would be my only and last chance after 24 years of fandom. But given how I became a wrestling fan, maybe it should end, it should have never been. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 25, 2024 20:51:11 GMT -5
I don’t really care about business or money, but if I’m a Roman Reigns or Seth, and my face is all over WWE, I’m condemning this loud and clear. All the “hush hush” bull shit, company line stuff can piss off. This degenerate rapist is threatening your money and reputation. I don’t get how you don’t say anything. Then again I can’t imagine doing anything 1/100 as awful as the stuff I just read, so how people’s brains work just might not link up for me. I remember when all the Daniel Snyder stuff came out; this might be worse, but that was bad. Nobody in that organization did anything; and I suspect it will be the same here. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 20:51:19 GMT -5
good luck choosing which of those two to respond to Inside you are two wolves and both of them wanna say shit that's gonna get you put in time out someone got raped and shit on but I’m calling you nerds out to see who isn’t gonna pay money to the peacock to watch the rumble. there’s texts and endless pages of documents now but I saw a video where a guy laid in front of a car and sued someone on liveleak so I’m just curious mmhyes |
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Post by HIM on Jan 25, 2024 20:52:59 GMT -5
I'm not one who thinks WWE should be shut down, it would cripple the US wrestling scene, but it needs a deep cleaning. This is deeper than Vince and Ace and Brock. This is where I'm at.
I've read through this thread and seen numerous comments alluding to people who probably aren't even connected to this in WWE but just because they're WWE they need to be axed/condemned? A plethora of people in that company people found out when we found out. These days it's weird because it's like regardless of what the WWE-related thing is it always ends up being "burn the company to the core" even when it's something light. This however seems to be the most damaging thing thus far and the exact opposite of light. Like, it's serious. We gotta push simple "well f*** em because they got this wrestler" comments aside and speak on real assault here. With that said nah, I'm not part of that "burn this company to the core" mentality and if people are, I do wonder if we'll see yall in the Rumble thread or any of these Raw/SD/PLE threads. I respect your POV but making comments about other posters just because they watch, nah that ain't the wave. We don't know what these people got going on in their lives to condemn them like that. We gotta speak on the real horrific issues here which started with that old man named Vince.
And yeah, we definitely need a super deep cleaning inside the organization. From the inside out. At the very LEAST. Find everyone associated with it and who have been doing things connected to it, cut em out and let the courts handle their asses. The empty spots will be filled by people in the company who can make their way to do what's right. This goes to executives, wrestlers, those who we never hear about but are out there. We know who yall are. Yall gotta go. I don't even care if a janitor claimed they didn't hear something one night, they gotta go.
It ain't hard. They got enough bodies there that can do what needs to be done.
It's just a matter of if it'll happen. This is Vince we're talking about aka King Cockroach so we know how he always escapes. I just pray he doesn't escape this time. I literally had to stop work because I was getting pissed at reading these text messages he sent her. I can't even fathom how she feels.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 20:56:22 GMT -5
Sure, but this isn't one or two people doing something. The suit names one wrestler and mentions others. How many other wrestlers might not be a number we ever learn, but like. How does one go around determining if their contracted wrestlers are amenable to being party to the sexual exploitation of a woman Vince is using as a party favour? The report claims that Vince just gave one wrestler her number and he wanted a piss vid. How does that come up in conversation? Does he brag about it? Does he ask if people want a piece? There's got to be wrestlers who've turned down the offer for some real f***ed p shit before. This isn't a quiet crime being kept hush hush, Vince was bragging about it. People knew and I don't think it's a reasonable prudence to say this was a tight-knit kind of thing. I'm not singling out any specific peopel to call rapists and enablers, but not only do none of the details of the story imply this was subtle, but a great many of them imply the literal opposite, and it's not doing these accounts justice to act otherwise. I've had a couple of creepy bosses over the years. Generally, they start with little things like making small talk to learn what you are into then they slowly push boundaries so they can learn if you are morally pliable; i.e (crude example situation because I'm not a dark empath who can manipulate others easily) "I've seen weird shit online. What do you think about this one weird prono I saw? Sure it was messed up but it was also kind of hot in a dark way, do you agree?". Only then if they confirm you're "trustworthy" do they indoctrinate you into their depraved world. Oh no for sure, I do actually know. I was asking rhetorically; my point is more that what Vince did still requires 'recruitment' in some form. Across what is likely decades of this habit, that's a lot of people. A lot of people who had to have gotten far enough along something or talked shit with enough locker room bravado to end up getting that invitation and going "Oh wait no like for real?" |
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Post by Burst on Jan 25, 2024 20:58:39 GMT -5
This is a slightly clumsy historical analogy, but re: gutting out the rot without just completely destroying the company, best comparison I can think of is the Truman-era rebuilding of the White House, where the core was literally rotten and they basically had to hold the outside walls in place while completely rebuilding the inside. There you go. Pull out the org charts and see how many things spiderweb back to the McMahon/Ace/Pritchard axis... it's not as if we haven't already known who the usual combination of McMahon yes men have been over the years, it's just seeing how that actually is/was within the corporate structure of it all.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 25, 2024 20:59:55 GMT -5
Wakes up from sleeping since I do graveyard shift.
What the f***? Yeah, Vince has to go. There's no way you can keep him around after this. Everybody has to go.
Roman, Seth, and others won't make public statements due to TKO already putting out a statement. The most we'll get at the scrum is "This is an ongoing situation that is being investigated, and is currently in the courts, we will not comment at this time."
f*** Brad Shepard for leaking the accuser's name. You don't do that shit.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 25, 2024 21:01:08 GMT -5
I don’t really care about business or money, but if I’m a Roman Reigns or Seth, and my face is all over WWE, I’m condemning this loud and clear. All the “hush hush” bull shit, company line stuff can piss off. This degenerate rapist is threatening your money and reputation. I don’t get how you don’t say anything. Then again I can’t imagine doing anything 1/100 as awful as the stuff I just read, so how people’s brains work just might not link up for me. I remember when all the Daniel Snyder stuff came out; this might be worse, but that was bad. Nobody in that organization did anything; and I suspect it will be the same here. I was trying to think of a corollary in other sports where an owner did something on this level, and Snyder was the closest I could come up with. But was he the one who made the advances, or was it others in the office and he looked the other way? |
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Jan 25, 2024 21:02:55 GMT -5
Wakes up from sleeping since I do graveyard shift. What the f***? Yeah, Vince has to go. There's no way you can keep him around after this. Everybody has to go. Roman, Seth, and others won't make public statements due to TKO already putting out a statement. The most we'll get at the scrum is "This is an ongoing situation that is being investigated, and is currently in the courts, we will not comment at this time." f*** Brad Shepard for leaking the accuser's name. You don't do that shit. We already knew Brad Shepard was a slimy piece of shit, but this is a new low for that prick. |
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Post by Totorob101 on Jan 25, 2024 21:03:31 GMT -5
I was almost sexually assaulted last night outside of a gas station. He gestured towards my car door. He got so close that I was afraid I'd run over his feet. The only thing that saved me was the fact we were in a well lit parking lot surrounded by people. I slept for thirteen hours. I'm completely numb. Hell... I'm so out of it that I forgot to put on underwear. I put it in my sweater pocket instead. And this is from a near miss in a parking lot from a rando. I can't even fathom what Janel Grant went through. The fact that she's able to go public is nothing short of amazing. Take them down, Janel. TAKE. THEM. DOWN. Im saddened and sorry to hear that, honestly i am ashamed of being male at times like this and with Vince and co being scum of the earth. Its a miracle how women cope when this happens so often in every walk of life, and innocent men victims to. Why people cant respect others and keep their bloody hands to themselves ill never know. Surely Vince knew this was going to come out one day, he probably thought hed be dead by the time it did like Jimmy Saville. I dont want WWE to die because itll put so many talented and innocent people out of work but it needs a big clean out for sure. |
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Post by Celgress on Jan 25, 2024 21:04:08 GMT -5
I've had a couple of creepy bosses over the years. Generally, they start with little things like making small talk to learn what you are into then they slowly push boundaries so they can learn if you are morally pliable; i.e (crude example situation because I'm not a dark empath who can manipulate others easily) "I've seen weird shit online. What do you think about this one weird prono I saw? Sure it was messed up but it was also kind of hot in a dark way, do you agree?". Only then if they confirm you're "trustworthy" do they indoctrinate you into their depraved world. Oh no for sure, I do actually know. I was asking rhetorically; my point is more that what Vince did still requires 'recruitment' in some form. Across what is likely decades of this habit, that's a lot of people. A lot of people who had to have gotten far enough along something or talked shit with enough locker room bravado to end up getting that invitation and going "Oh wait no like for real?" Indeed, in the two situations I was in I made it clear "fictionalized" rape of women (in the first instance) and/or child exploitation (yes it went that far in the other instance, and yes I contacted the proper authorities) purely for sexual gratification from pornographic movies is not things I enjoy and they are morally reprehensible. I know for a fact one of these talks cost me a job because "I couldn't take a joke" but I'm proud I didn't go down that disturbing habit hole. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 25, 2024 21:04:55 GMT -5
Wakes up from sleeping since I do graveyard shift. What the f***? Yeah, Vince has to go. There's no way you can keep him around after this. Everybody has to go. Roman, Seth, and others won't make public statements due to TKO already putting out a statement. The most we'll get at the scrum is "This is an ongoing situation that is being investigated, and is currently in the courts, we will not comment at this time." f*** Brad Shepard for leaking the accuser's name. You don't do that shit. Then you have the dirt sheets showing a picture of the incorrect women who probably had a lot of weirdos messaging her last year |
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 25, 2024 21:05:28 GMT -5
This is why I can't in good conscience watch WWE again. Even if Vince is only there by force, even if everyone is trying to do a good job, nah. The stench of Vince is too hard to wash off now. I can only hope he gets to spend the rest of his days in a cell.
And whilst it's not fair to finger point yet, at the absolute minimum everyone he's worked with for years need to be questioned.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 25, 2024 21:07:31 GMT -5
I was almost sexually assaulted last night outside of a gas station. He gestured towards my car door. He got so close that I was afraid I'd run over his feet. The only thing that saved me was the fact we were in a well lit parking lot surrounded by people. I slept for thirteen hours. I'm completely numb. Hell... I'm so out of it that I forgot to put on underwear. I put it in my sweater pocket instead. And this is from a near miss in a parking lot from a rando. I can't even fathom what Janel Grant went through. The fact that she's able to go public is nothing short of amazing. Take them down, Janel. TAKE. THEM. DOWN. I'm so sorry to hear that. My heart goes out to you. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 25, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5
Been at work while all this was going on so I will drop my 2 cents
Chris Benoit need to save a seat for Vince cause hell not hot enough for him for the shit he did. True monster shit and he is responsible for his own actions and should be condemned as such
Real weirdo energy talking about WWE should be shut down. Vince is the focus and should remain the focus
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