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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 20:15:51 GMT -5
Worrying about things like the guy working a desk job is very admirable if you really believe it but to me this just screams of back when with Penn State when people were like “why would paterno be involved, why punish the school and organization when those guys just wanna get an education and play football”. Like come on man.
If the organization is rotten, it has to be treated like it is rotten.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 20:16:30 GMT -5
Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. You don't spend decades sexually exploiting employees on the scale Vince is doing, force those victims to go perform sexual acts for other employees, all in a very close-knit environment full of people on the road all year with each other and working in super close proximity, and have people just not know something is going on. This was systemic. This was accepted and performed on a scale that involves active participants, people covering it up, and plenty and plenty more turning a blind eye. There's a lot of willful naivety in how people are approaching this like it had to be a tight-knit group of only a couple people and that this was a surprise for everyone. Witnesses exist on multiple levels and the potential number of participants alone seems like it isn't being counted on one hand. How much of an organization has to be complicit in a crime before it's understood that the core is rotten? The people named in this suit are the focus, yeah, but WWE as just an institution abetted and enabled all of this and that shouldn't go unnoticed. The sad part is that there are tens, if not hundreds, of people who are complicit, but can't be held criminally liable because they have no physical evidence (text logs, recordings of conversations, etc.) of Vince's behavior that they were withholding. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 25, 2024 20:17:03 GMT -5
I just landed in Hawaii after a 12 hour trip. What the f*** happened??
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2024 20:18:14 GMT -5
Worrying about things like the guy working a desk job is very admirable if you really believe it but to me this just screams of back when with Penn State when people were like “why would paterno be involved, why punish the school and organization when those guys just wanna get an education and play football”. Like come on man. If the organization is rotten, it has to be treated like it is rotten. Right but Paterno was the head. And evidence came out he knew. Vince is the head here and he’s the main actor in all of what took place. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 25, 2024 20:19:45 GMT -5
Are you saying Vince would sue them? I’m not doubting that would happen, just clarifying. Then quit like Eric Young? I don’t know. I know I’m just mad but like, sometimes doing the right thing or standing up for people when you’re able is more important? No, I'm not saying Vince would sue. I'm saying they would likely be made to either testify or submit a written affadavit on Grant's behalf. And while it's easy to say that yes, they morally should, it's probably not that simple. Especially because THAT actually may invite repraisals from Vince. Not wanting to be tied to a lawsuit makes sense, but if the worry is they’d have to testify in support of Grant, that’s kind of line with what I’d like to happen. I appreciate you providing real life reasons for not doing this, but I’m more lamenting we live in a world where the benefits of doing the right thing are far outweighed than doing nothing. I’m wishing that people could buck worrying about lawyers and money. I know it won’t happen. That’s just how I wish it worked, which isn’t based on the reality. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 20:20:11 GMT -5
Worrying about things like the guy working a desk job is very admirable if you really believe it but to me this just screams of back when with Penn State when people were like “why would paterno be involved, why punish the school and organization when those guys just wanna get an education and play football”. Like come on man. If the organization is rotten, it has to be treated like it is rotten. Right but Paterno was the head. And evidence came out he knew. Vince is the head here and he’s the main actor in all of what took place. It did eventually but that was not the case at the beginning. I very distinctly remember the short period of time before anyone wanted to put anything on Joe Pa, that is what I am referring to. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2024 20:20:14 GMT -5
Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. You don't spend decades sexually exploiting employees on the scale Vince is doing, force those victims to go perform sexual acts for other employees, all in a very close-knit environment full of people on the road all year with each other and working in super close proximity, and have people just not know something is going on. This was systemic. This was accepted and performed on a scale that involves active participants, people covering it up, and plenty and plenty more turning a blind eye. There's a lot of willful naivety in how people are approaching this like it had to be a tight-knit group of only a couple people and that this was a surprise for everyone. Witnesses exist on multiple levels and the potential number of participants alone seems like it isn't being counted on one hand. How much of an organization has to be complicit in a crime before it's understood that the core is rotten? The people named in this suit are the focus, yeah, but WWE as just an institution abetted and enabled all of this and that shouldn't go unnoticed. You’d be shocked at what can happen at very small places of employment, with only a select few being aware of the absolute criminal behavior going on there. I see it all of the time. I’m extremely hesitant to make bold assumptions on such serious issues about people that haven’t even been named/accused of anything yet and just go scorched earth on them. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Jan 25, 2024 20:20:53 GMT -5
I just landed in Hawaii after a 12 hour trip. What the f*** happened?? Basically Vince didn't pay an NDA, so the signee of the NDA filed a lawsuit and in said lawsuit there are detailed acts that can fairly, objectively and succinctly be summed up as some f***ed up shit. |
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Post by The Heenan Family on Jan 25, 2024 20:21:21 GMT -5
Netflix execs posed for a picture with Vince just a few days ago. It's going to be more than just Vince getting punished. They don't need to protect Vince or his old cronies. They can easily lean on TKO to clean house. Assuming the Rock knew nothing about what dropped today, that man has to be livid and already making calls. But if they're going to protect anyone, it's going to be the talent. Like anyone who attended Vince's birthday party last year or regularly got texts from him.
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Post by Burst on Jan 25, 2024 20:26:46 GMT -5
...Well, this was certainly a thread to have read through, and I feel like I need to go gargle with 91% isopropyl alcohol or something because... yikes. The disgusting part is how... unsurprising yet surprising yet unsurprising the level of actual depravity seems to have been, and, like... yeah. The Jimmy Saville parallels I feel like hit the hardest, especially with the whole "hiding the horrendous behaviors in plain sight in a jokey oh-it's-just-Mr-McMahon-THE-CHARACTER!" sort of way. The whole hiding-in-plain-sight thing at the very least makes me more hesitant to go "so-and-so HAD to know something was going on", if only because I've sort of indirectly experienced that. Was a former college sports teammate of mine who was arrested for sex pest/predator behavior years after we'd last interacted... nothing nearly to this level, but still enough to send him to prison, but I digress.
I'm normally quite wary about arguing complicity/guilt by association past a certain level (I still remember a handful of folks clamoring for Penn State as a school to be shut down entirely and things like retroactively negating degrees and graduations), but I don't entirely disagree with the notion about Vince being basically inseparable from the company, if nothing else because that's basically how Vince set things up to be for years and years. It's not my place to judge who knew what and who should be investigated and degrees of complicity, but I'd at the very least be looking at a rebranding/renaming at a bare minimum, a clean break from the shiny black and red aesthetic that you pretty much associate with like... McMahon's jet and the T-Rex office and pretty much... with Vince.
Either way, it will be very... curious, let's say, to see how things evolve over the next few days.
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Jan 25, 2024 20:28:54 GMT -5
I've said for a long time Vince McMahon's wrong doings are like an iceberg...there's the shit we see, and find out, but then you know there's this whole massive section hidden that we've yet to discover.
This is vile and disgusting, and props to the woman for having the courage to come forward.
I shudder to think if we knew the entire story of Vince's life dating back to the 80's when he got real money and power.
And Johnny Ace? Not at all shocked by Mr. My Casting Couch is a Hot Tub.
If anything more than "pay her and sweep it under the rug" comes out of this I'll be surprised.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 20:29:20 GMT -5
You don't spend decades sexually exploiting employees on the scale Vince is doing, force those victims to go perform sexual acts for other employees, all in a very close-knit environment full of people on the road all year with each other and working in super close proximity, and have people just not know something is going on. This was systemic. This was accepted and performed on a scale that involves active participants, people covering it up, and plenty and plenty more turning a blind eye. There's a lot of willful naivety in how people are approaching this like it had to be a tight-knit group of only a couple people and that this was a surprise for everyone. Witnesses exist on multiple levels and the potential number of participants alone seems like it isn't being counted on one hand. How much of an organization has to be complicit in a crime before it's understood that the core is rotten? The people named in this suit are the focus, yeah, but WWE as just an institution abetted and enabled all of this and that shouldn't go unnoticed. You’d be shocked at what can happen at very small places of employment, with only a select few being aware of the absolute criminal behavior going on there. I see it all of the time. I’m extremely hesitant to make bold assumptions on such serious issues about people that haven’t even been named/accused of anything yet and just go scorched earth on them. Sure, but this isn't one or two people doing something. The suit names one wrestler and mentions others. How many other wrestlers might not be a number we ever learn, but like. How does one go around determining if their contracted wrestlers are amenable to being party to the sexual exploitation of a woman Vince is using as a party favour? The report claims that Vince just gave one wrestler her number and he wanted a piss vid. How does that come up in conversation? Does he brag about it? Does he ask if people want a piece? There's got to be wrestlers who've turned down the offer for some real f***ed p shit before. This isn't a quiet crime being kept hush hush, Vince was bragging about it. People knew and I don't think it's a reasonable prudence to say this was a tight-knit kind of thing. I'm not singling out any specific peopel to call rapists and enablers, but not only do none of the details of the story imply this was subtle, but a great many of them imply the literal opposite, and it's not doing these accounts justice to act otherwise. |
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 25, 2024 20:30:17 GMT -5
I was almost sexually assaulted last night outside of a gas station. He gestured towards my car door. He got so close that I was afraid I'd run over his feet. The only thing that saved me was the fact we were in a well lit parking lot surrounded by people.
I slept for thirteen hours. I'm completely numb. Hell... I'm so out of it that I forgot to put on underwear. I put it in my sweater pocket instead.
And this is from a near miss in a parking lot from a rando. I can't even fathom what Janel Grant went through. The fact that she's able to go public is nothing short of amazing.
Take them down, Janel. TAKE. THEM. DOWN.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2024 20:33:05 GMT -5
You’d be shocked at what can happen at very small places of employment, with only a select few being aware of the absolute criminal behavior going on there. I see it all of the time. I’m extremely hesitant to make bold assumptions on such serious issues about people that haven’t even been named/accused of anything yet and just go scorched earth on them. Sure, but this isn't one or two people doing something. The suit names one wrestler and mentions others. How many other wrestlers might not be a number we ever learn, but like. How does one go around determining if their contracted wrestlers are amenable to being party to the sexual exploitation of a woman Vince is using as a party favour? The report claims that Vince just gave one wrestler her number and he wanted a piss vid. How does that come up in conversation? Does he brag about it? Does he ask if people want a piece? There's got to be wrestlers who've turned down the offer for some real f***ed p shit before. This isn't a quiet crime being kept hush hush, Vince was bragging about it. People knew and I don't think it's a reasonable prudence to say this was a tight-knit kind of thing. I'm not singling out any specific peopel to call rapists and enablers, but not only do none of the details of the story imply this was subtle, but a great many of them imply the literal opposite, and it's not doing these accounts justice to act otherwise. I’m sure there are other people involved, my issue was with the very specifics names being thrown about in this thread and elsewhere (HHH, Prichard, Khan, Steph, Cena, Undertaker, Bryan, Jericho, etc) |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 25, 2024 20:33:08 GMT -5
I was almost sexually assaulted last night outside of a gas station. He gestured towards my car door. He got so close that I was afraid I'd run over his feet. The only thing that saved me was the fact we were in a well lit parking lot surrounded by people. I slept for thirteen hours. I'm completely numb. Hell... I'm so out of it that I forgot to put on underwear. I put it in my sweater pocket instead. And this is from a near miss in a parking lot from a rando. I can't even fathom what Janel Grant went through. The fact that she's able to go public is nothing short of amazing. Take them down, Janel. TAKE. THEM. DOWN. That is awful to hear. Wishing you all the best. |
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Post by Clutchhausen on Jan 25, 2024 20:38:07 GMT -5
Turns out Vinnys mustache wasn't facial hair.
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Post by Richard on Jan 25, 2024 20:38:58 GMT -5
Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. Vince was the institution, though. Those responsible should pay and suffer the consequences to the fullest extent of the law (civil and/or criminal) and in the court of public opinion. No. It was Vince, his second in Johnny Ace, Brock Lesnar, and others he shared her with. It was the people who helped cover it up. Some of these people still there. That is just this time too. We know at a minimum this is like a decade old. These people make up the company, possibly run it. I'm not one who thinks WWE should be shut down, it would cripple the US wrestling scene, but it needs a deep cleaning. This is deeper than Vince and Ace and Brock. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 25, 2024 20:42:29 GMT -5
Here's my thing...how many of you will actually stop watching?
Me, I feel weird reading this while I was in the midst of my WWF 1986-1996 TV binge watch. I'm in February 1995 and reading all of this and watching Vince feels just so odd.
You hope it ain't true, but if it is so, so it is. The timing though and source is the part where I raise eyebrows but thats as someone who has studied a lot of media the last 15 years.
The best bet for WWE going forward is moving on, for the fans its follow your moral compass, but I can't stand anything more on the web than people who say what they don't mean and a lot of you gotta stand by your word.
As for Vince and Brock and Johnny Ace, they never had a lot of good will with me and if it becomes concrete and more comes out like what happened with Sandusky and Penn State, its gonna make a lot of old wrestling hard to watch.
I even question how I feel going forward watching this and having experienced my own situation in the past with an organization committing misdeeds behind the scenes to others. It's scary when you see the world for what it is.
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 25, 2024 20:43:32 GMT -5
If 1/10th of the allegations turn out to be true, heads are going to roll. I think, I hope. Then again this is TKO and Dana White is caught slapping the piss out of his wife and literally nothing happened. In a perfect world, VKM has to answer for his sins. In our world, he'll pay out some more money, and maybe give up his position. That might be better. I don't think he knows how to function without working. He might go down the slow slope into failed mental and physical health. Sadly, for real victims out there, these lawsuits are extremely common and almost never end up going to criminal court, which is generally what you need to get someone to lose a job. Also, his job is primarily that of a figure head, so I don't think anyone at TKO cares I'll let the courts decide what is true or not, but as someone who went to law school, high ranking billionaires get sued quite often. Whether these lawsuits are frivolous or not, really does not matter as it just always ends up in a settlement. In law school, we were forced to study a guy who used to stalk celebrities and say things about their dead family members, just to try to get a celebrity to assault them so he could sue them. |
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Post by callmekc on Jan 25, 2024 20:45:51 GMT -5
Here's my thing...how many of you will actually stop watching? Me, I feel weird reading this while I was in the midst of my WWF 1986-1996 TV binge watch. I'm in February 1995 and reading all of this and watching Vince feels just so odd. You hope it ain't true, but if it is so, so it is. The timing though and source is the part where I raise eyebrows but thats as someone who has studied a lot of media the last 15 years. The best bet for WWE going forward is moving on, for the fans its follow your moral compass, but I can't stand anything more on the web than people who say what they don't mean and a lot of you gotta stand by your word. As for Vince and Brock and Johnny Ace, they never had a lot of good will with me and if it becomes concrete and more comes out like what happened with Sandusky and Penn State, its gonna make a lot of old wrestling hard to watch. I even question how I feel going forward watching this and having experienced my own situation in the past with an organization committing misdeeds behind the scenes to others. It's scary when you see the world for what it is. I'm going to watch the Rumble - because I've made plans with a friend to do so. But after that? I think I'm done. I already mostly consume wrestling from clips and GIFs and reading discussion threads. |
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