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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 25, 2024 19:58:42 GMT -5
Without getting graphic when I read about the Vince doing STUFF to this woman and being a pervy psycho I was expecting it to be from 2002 or something. Not nearly 80 year old Vince doing all that just recently.
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 25, 2024 20:01:38 GMT -5
If 1/10th of the allegations turn out to be true, heads are going to roll. I think, I hope. Then again this is TKO and Dana White is caught slapping the piss out of his wife and literally nothing happened.
In a perfect world, VKM has to answer for his sins. In our world, he'll pay out some more money, and maybe give up his position. That might be better. I don't think he knows how to function without working. He might go down the slow slope into failed mental and physical health.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 20:02:59 GMT -5
I don't just want heads rolling, I want Vince, every wrestler and exec he 'shared' his victims with, and everyone who helped cover up and faciliate his crimes, buried neck-deep in dirt so the head chopping colosseum machine from Caligula can behead them.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 25, 2024 20:03:05 GMT -5
For the longest time I defended the decision because I come from a performance background, show must go on, etc. Now though, I don't know how the police didn't just come in and stop it as an active crime scene. I never understood why it was call for wwf to make. The boards in the ring were broken. The PD should’ve closed it down. OSHA 100% should have shut her down, not sure how that works exactly in the US. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 20:03:19 GMT -5
Sadly I also dont see this. Roman benefited greatly from Vince loving him and Seth always stood up for WWE. Not that I expect ANY talent to risk their jobs over it. But I would be extra surprised if either of then did. I just named them because they’re top guys. They theoretically have the money and power to say something. I don’t expect it. I don’t have that much faith in the world. I just feel like I’d have to being so closely linked to Vince. That's how you end up being dragged into the lawsuit yourself. |
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Post by cornettesracket on Jan 25, 2024 20:04:15 GMT -5
I would say that this is the thing that finally brings down this company. But as you yourself said, they always come out smelling like roses. And if somehow someway it happens again here, I won't be surprised. And that's a sad thing for me to say. Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? I agree with 99% of what has been said in this thread and I’ve read it all. The one thing I’ll push back on is the poster who said that everyone should have the chance to leave, and if they don’t it could be taken as a sign of complicity. Just to be clear anyone who doesn’t walk away is apparently complicit in horrific abuse. Absolutely not. As you say let’s be more targeted in our rightful outrage. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 25, 2024 20:04:40 GMT -5
I would say that this is the thing that finally brings down this company. But as you yourself said, they always come out smelling like roses. And if somehow someway it happens again here, I won't be surprised. And that's a sad thing for me to say. Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 25, 2024 20:06:40 GMT -5
I just named them because they’re top guys. They theoretically have the money and power to say something. I don’t expect it. I don’t have that much faith in the world. I just feel like I’d have to being so closely linked to Vince. That's how you end up being dragged into the lawsuit yourself. Are you saying Vince would sue them? I’m not doubting that would happen, just clarifying. Then quit like Eric Young? I don’t know. I know I’m just mad but like, sometimes doing the right thing or standing up for people when you’re able is more important? |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 20:06:59 GMT -5
I would say that this is the thing that finally brings down this company. But as you yourself said, they always come out smelling like roses. And if somehow someway it happens again here, I won't be surprised. And that's a sad thing for me to say. Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? Because the entire company is inseperable from the taint of Vince. |
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 25, 2024 20:08:01 GMT -5
I hope this woman will only accept Vince's money if he pays her enough to afford putting a price on his head.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 25, 2024 20:08:04 GMT -5
I don't just want heads rolling, I want Vince, every wrestler and exec he 'shared' his victims with, and everyone who helped cover up and faciliate his crimes, buried neck-deep in dirt so the head chopping colosseum machine from Caligula can behead them. What really sucks is I doubt anything even close to that is going to happen. I'm sure Vince is done, and I coulda kinda see Brock going either way (though yeah, the Cody match should retroactively be his retirement match and we should never see this dude brought up again), but past that I imagine TKO will just go, "Problem solved!" and move on. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 20:09:54 GMT -5
That's how you end up being dragged into the lawsuit yourself. Are you saying Vince would sue them? I’m not doubting that would happen, just clarifying. Then quit like Eric Young? I don’t know. I know I’m just mad but like, sometimes doing the right thing or standing up for people when you’re able is more important? No, I'm not saying Vince would sue. I'm saying they would likely be made to either testify or submit a written affadavit on Grant's behalf. And while it's easy to say that yes, they morally should, it's probably not that simple. Especially because THAT actually may invite repraisals from Vince. |
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Post by Schizo on Jan 25, 2024 20:10:40 GMT -5
Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. Yeeeah, the company is not all of a sudden going to go out of business over this, like at all, that’s just wishful thinking from those who already loathe WWE before anyways,Be real, the only one that’s going to be punished over this is Vince, most likely forced to resign or just outright let go, either way, he’s toast sooner than later |
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 25, 2024 20:11:32 GMT -5
Maybe it's inappropriate to bring this up (better suited to a separate thread?), but this does beg the question, if this winds up coming back down on all these people and they're all forced to leave, then who runs the company? You're basically wiping out the entire upper management chain of command. I'm literally imagining Vince Russo showing up at the Endeavor offices being all like "so I hear you have some openings?". It's a good question, but I'm pretty sure that a) someone among the senior management is going to come absolutely, squeaky clean about what they know, if for no other reason than self-preservation; b) there are enough behind-the-scenes people in promotions all over the world who would _love_ the opportunity to work creatively for WWE and, indeed, have a hand in its redemption; c) Endeavor can probably find among its executives and staff the necessary skills to provide day-to-day operations (logistics, TV production, human resources) without tapping into the 'rasslin' business well; and d) everyone and their dog knows that Russo (and Bischoff for that matter) would not be useful in any capacity to restore the company's reputation. Cornette with a filter, maybe. Definitely not Russo. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 25, 2024 20:12:02 GMT -5
Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? Because the entire company is inseperable from the taint of Vince. “Taint of Vince” is an unfortunate turn of phrase. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 20:12:16 GMT -5
Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. You don't spend decades sexually exploiting employees on the scale Vince is doing, force those victims to go perform sexual acts for other employees, all in a very close-knit environment full of people on the road all year with each other and working in super close proximity, and have people just not know something is going on. This was systemic. This was accepted and performed on a scale that involves active participants, people covering it up, and plenty and plenty more turning a blind eye. There's a lot of willful naivety in how people are approaching this like it had to be a tight-knit group of only a couple people and that this was a surprise for everyone. Witnesses exist on multiple levels and the potential number of participants alone seems like it isn't being counted on one hand. How much of an organization has to be complicit in a crime before it's understood that the core is rotten? The people named in this suit are the focus, yeah, but WWE as just an institution abetted and enabled all of this and that shouldn't go unnoticed. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 20:13:12 GMT -5
Because the entire company is inseperable from the taint of Vince. “Taint of Vince” is an unfortunate turn of phrase. And yet all-too-distressingly accurate -.-; |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 25, 2024 20:14:50 GMT -5
I don't just want heads rolling, I want Vince, every wrestler and exec he 'shared' his victims with, and everyone who helped cover up and faciliate his crimes, buried neck-deep in dirt so the head chopping colosseum machine from Caligula can behead them. What really sucks is I doubt anything even close to that is going to happen. I'm sure Vince is done, and I coulda kinda see Brock going either way (though yeah, the Cody match should retroactively be his retirement match and we should never see this dude brought up again), but past that I imagine TKO will just go, "Problem solved!" and move on. Seriously, how long did it take for them to give Riddle his marching orders, 3 years after initial accusation and another 4 different women? |
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Post by Urn Anderson on Jan 25, 2024 20:15:11 GMT -5
For the longest time I defended the decision because I come from a performance background, show must go on, etc. Now though, I don't know how the police didn't just come in and stop it as an active crime scene. I never understood why it was call for wwf to make. The boards in the ring were broken. The PD should’ve closed it down. Not to derail this thread, but that’s the first time I’ve heard that about the ring. Good lord. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 25, 2024 20:15:16 GMT -5
Why aim your ire at an entire inanimate company instead of just the people responsible for the despicable acts? Because it is an institution wide problem? Maybe the lower tier are innocent but the people in charge have used the company for nefarious and unlawful purposes. No one wants Tim in accounting to lose his job over something her had no part in but if the company is corrupt and it going down is not only an answer to the problem but a lesson for others, so be it. Vince was the institution, though. Those responsible should pay and suffer the consequences to the fullest extent of the law (civil and/or criminal) and in the court of public opinion. |
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