Vince S.A. Lawsuit Thread (Vince Resigns Page 60)

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Jan 26, 2024 3:25:59 GMT -5 revolver86 said:

After reading the documents, I have to wonder about how Grant even got in the position she was in before she ever met Vince. Both her parents die, she loses everything, but can somehow afford to live in an apartment complex with a billionaire CEO. The whole thing almost sounds like a honeypot. I suspect Vince has been doing this kinda stuff for decades and this situation was potentially manufactured to finally catch him with his pants down in a way he couldn't get away with. I am completely speculating though.

She was the sole carer for her parents in their dying days, the apartment was probably theirs. Also, trying to find reasons to make the victim a villain is kinda gross.

[Totorob101]

Jan 26, 2024 5:41:15 GMT -5 CeilingFan said:

As a fan of Pro Wrestling, I am thankful that Vince brought the business into the American Mainstream.

As a human, I say that Vince McMahon is a cockroach.

Dont insult cockroachs, they are far more innocent and worthy of life then that monster. I always thought Brock was a bad person so its no surprise he has also been up to no good. I feel bad for the talent now as they must be feeling very uncomfortable working there now, i do wish that many of them would ask for their releases and that the company does the decent thing and let them go but AEW and Impact cant hire them all.

[BlackoutCreature]

Based on everything we have seen about Brock's role in this (or at least I've seen), there doesn't seem to be anything here that explicitly states that he knew that this woman was being forced into these acts by Vince. Brock could make the argument that he just thought she was a freaky chick who was into this kind of thing.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jan 26, 2024 6:04:36 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

Based on everything we have seen about Brock's role in this (or at least I've seen), there doesn't seem to be anything here that explicitly states that he knew that this woman was being forced into these acts by Vince. Brock could make the argument that he just thought she was a freaky chick who was into this kind of thing.

Yeah, Brock could just say that he thought she was an escort. There's no smoking gun that Brock knew everything about the situation.

[lucas_lee]

Jan 26, 2024 6:04:36 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

Based on everything we have seen about Brock's role in this (or at least I've seen), there doesn't seem to be anything here that explicitly states that he knew that this woman was being forced into these acts by Vince. Brock could make the argument that he just thought she was a freaky chick who was into this kind of thing.

It would depend on if Brock demanding he sleep with Janel as means for him to resign. Im not sure how legal that is.

[HMARK Center]

Going back a bit, I do think we need to acknowledge something about a lot of the current and former WWE wrestlers who've commented on Vince over the last x number of months: for a long time, the basic gist of how people view one another in the industry has been, it seems, "did this person do business right by me." There's no end to the litany of scumbags and monsters in the history of wrestling, but they've been friends with plenty of wrestlers who are otherwise normal people because "hey, that guy put me over when he didn't have to", or "that guy shared so much knowledge about the business with me", "we got to talk a lot while on the road", or "we shared a ring together and had each other's safety in our hands", which is its own kind of bond.

None of that means that the person giving those compliments was fully aware of what said scumbag/monster was doing at the time, or completely aware of how far someone's awful beliefs about certain topics might go, but in a business so heavily built around protecting yourself and looking out for #1 (because the promotions sure as hell aren't going to have your back if push ultimately comes to shove) I think a lot of wrestlers become pretty myopic on this front, and there's this sort of compartmentalization of "ok, this guy did something awful, but, y'know, he was good to me/helped me/made me rich/etc., if I focus on that then maybe I don't have to dwell on the awful stuff."

Not justifying that, by the way, but I imagine it's very tough to be in such a close-knit industry, one where people routinely put their very lives in the hands of others while spending tons and tons of their "free time" (such as it is) around one another, and have to confront the reality that the person you were calling "brother" or who provided a bunch of opportunities for you is, in fact, anything from a bigoted asshole to a literal rapist. Not asking all these guys to come out publicly and disavow Vince, a lot of that is their own business, but a lot of them need to realize that narcissistic and abusive monsters often have an ability to charm people around them, maybe that's clouding their perception, and maybe they should at least just keep quiet, discretion being the better part of valor and all.

[Ben Wyatt]

To reiterate what I said a while back: There's a difference between "knowing" things about someone and *knowing* things about someone. I have no doubt that Vince's inner circle/kids etc weren't blind to the fact he was a very dirty old man (and very dirty younger man going back further depending on the individual) but I can't sit here and say comfortably that it's a given that anyone knew the full extent of what was happening and went "meh, Vince gonna Vince".

[celtics543]

Jan 26, 2024 7:16:48 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Going back a bit, I do think we need to acknowledge something about a lot of the current and former WWE wrestlers who've commented on Vince over the last x number of months: for a long time, the basic gist of how people view one another in the industry has been, it seems, "did this person do business right by me." There's no end to the litany of scumbags and monsters in the history of wrestling, but they've been friends with plenty of wrestlers who are otherwise normal people because "hey, that guy put me over when he didn't have to", or "that guy shared so much knowledge about the business with me", "we got to talk a lot while on the road", or "we shared a ring together and had each other's safety in our hands", which is its own kind of bond.

None of that means that the person giving those compliments was fully aware of what said scumbag/monster was doing at the time, or completely aware of how far someone's awful beliefs about certain topics might go, but in a business so heavily built around protecting yourself and looking out for #1 (because the promotions sure as hell aren't going to have your back if push ultimately comes to shove) I think a lot of wrestlers become pretty myopic on this front, and there's this sort of compartmentalization of "ok, this guy did something awful, but, y'know, he was good to me/helped me/made me rich/etc., if I focus on that then maybe I don't have to dwell on the awful stuff."

Not justifying that, by the way, but I imagine it's very tough to be in such a close-knit industry, one where people routinely put their very lives in the hands of others while spending tons and tons of their "free time" (such as it is) around one another, and have to confront the reality that the person you were calling "brother" or who provided a bunch of opportunities for you is, in fact, anything from a bigoted asshole to a literal rapist. Not asking all these guys to come out publicly and disavow Vince, a lot of that is their own business, but a lot of them need to realize that narcissistic and abusive monsters often have an ability to charm people around them, maybe that's clouding their perception, and maybe they should at least just keep quiet, discretion being the better part of valor and all.

Not only that but American wrestling only had one place where you could make great money between WCW going out of business in 2001 and AEW opening in 2018. If you spoke out against Vince you were basically saying "I'm done with the wrestling business as a main source of income" and most guys aren't there. It's why a guy like Weinstein lasted so long. If you speak out and whatever you've said doesn't result in their removal then you just blackballed yourself from the industry you made a living in. Let's say a guy like Randy Orton knew, not saying he did but he fits the time frame. If he says something and it goes nowhere then what exactly is he supposed to do? He could be okay on the indies I guess but no guarantees. Now put yourself in the shoes of a midcard guy who has even more to lose. Or a lower card guy who is either wrestling at Wrestlemania or wrestling in a high school gym.

People should speak out but in a business where self preservation is so vital, I can see why guys and girls who worked there would try to look past it. Not that it's right but it's understandable.

[xCompackx]

Wondering what Netflix thinks of all this. Yes, it happened before they got involved, but this is what they're saddled with now.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Brock was married, in negotiations with her employer which had a track record of coercing and mistreating female employees, just ask his wife, and a public figure, the correct response to any company approved attempt to hook him up was 'No.', not to try and heap more humiliation onto her.

He's a grown-ass man who's travelled the world, again, one married to someone who saw firsthandmhow Vince treated women. Let's not try and create excuses for him like he didn't know what he was involved in was wrong.

[Allie Kitsune]

Jan 26, 2024 7:45:28 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Brock was married, in negotiations with her employer which had a track record of coercing and mistreating female employees, just ask his wife, and a public figure, the correct response to any company approved attempt to hook him up was 'No.', not to try and heap more humiliation onto her.

He's a grown-ass man who's travelled the world, again, one married to someone who saw firsthandmhow Vince treated women. Let's not try and create excuses for him like he didn't know what he was involved in was wrong.

The correct response is "F*** you, I'm taking this to the DOJ, you sick f***".

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jan 26, 2024 7:41:01 GMT -5 celtics543 said:

Jan 26, 2024 7:16:48 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Going back a bit, I do think we need to acknowledge something about a lot of the current and former WWE wrestlers who've commented on Vince over the last x number of months: for a long time, the basic gist of how people view one another in the industry has been, it seems, "did this person do business right by me." There's no end to the litany of scumbags and monsters in the history of wrestling, but they've been friends with plenty of wrestlers who are otherwise normal people because "hey, that guy put me over when he didn't have to", or "that guy shared so much knowledge about the business with me", "we got to talk a lot while on the road", or "we shared a ring together and had each other's safety in our hands", which is its own kind of bond.

None of that means that the person giving those compliments was fully aware of what said scumbag/monster was doing at the time, or completely aware of how far someone's awful beliefs about certain topics might go, but in a business so heavily built around protecting yourself and looking out for #1 (because the promotions sure as hell aren't going to have your back if push ultimately comes to shove) I think a lot of wrestlers become pretty myopic on this front, and there's this sort of compartmentalization of "ok, this guy did something awful, but, y'know, he was good to me/helped me/made me rich/etc., if I focus on that then maybe I don't have to dwell on the awful stuff."

Not justifying that, by the way, but I imagine it's very tough to be in such a close-knit industry, one where people routinely put their very lives in the hands of others while spending tons and tons of their "free time" (such as it is) around one another, and have to confront the reality that the person you were calling "brother" or who provided a bunch of opportunities for you is, in fact, anything from a bigoted asshole to a literal rapist. Not asking all these guys to come out publicly and disavow Vince, a lot of that is their own business, but a lot of them need to realize that narcissistic and abusive monsters often have an ability to charm people around them, maybe that's clouding their perception, and maybe they should at least just keep quiet, discretion being the better part of valor and all.

Not only that but American wrestling only had one place where you could make great money between WCW going out of business in 2001 and AEW opening in 2018. If you spoke out against Vince you were basically saying "I'm done with the wrestling business as a main source of income" and most guys aren't there. It's why a guy like Weinstein lasted so long. If you speak out and whatever you've said doesn't result in their removal then you just blackballed yourself from the industry you made a living in. Let's say a guy like Randy Orton knew, not saying he did but he fits the time frame. If he says something and it goes nowhere then what exactly is he supposed to do? He could be okay on the indies I guess but no guarantees. Now put yourself in the shoes of a midcard guy who has even more to lose. Or a lower card guy who is either wrestling at Wrestlemania or wrestling in a high school gym.

People should speak out but in a business where self preservation is so vital, I can see why guys and girls who worked there would try to look past it. Not that it's right but it's understandable.

He held a lot of people's future in his hands. And well, no one man should have all that power. You give somebody all that power, and it emboldens the worst in them. There's no check, so people fall in line because their future is at stake.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Jan 26, 2024 5:05:33 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

Jan 26, 2024 3:50:26 GMT -5 crowley1986 said:

From the statement last night I’m guessing they’re lining their ducks in order to give him the bullett

Yeah, canning somebody in a position like Vince's isn't like firing somebody low on the rung. Every single thing has to be in order to fire them. All t's have to be crossed, all i's have to be dotted, it's gotta be signed and notarized in triplicate, votes have to be taken, every possible legal loophole has to be looked at, and there's the possible severance package (even with a justified firing like this). It's not something that happens on a whim, shit has to be made sure it's perfect.

not to mention they usually give an ultimatum of "say you're retiring and apologize or we're firing the shit out of you." which is what happened the first time and is likely not an option now.

[RI Richmark]

Jan 26, 2024 7:45:12 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Wondering what Netflix thinks of all this. Yes, it happened before they got involved, but this is what they're saddled with now.

They're probably not happy at the moment but they don't start until next year.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jan 26, 2024 8:02:10 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Jan 26, 2024 5:05:33 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

Yeah, canning somebody in a position like Vince's isn't like firing somebody low on the rung. Every single thing has to be in order to fire them. All t's have to be crossed, all i's have to be dotted, it's gotta be signed and notarized in triplicate, votes have to be taken, every possible legal loophole has to be looked at, and there's the possible severance package (even with a justified firing like this). It's not something that happens on a whim, shit has to be made sure it's perfect.

not to mention they usually give an ultimatum of "say you're retiring and apologize or we're firing the shit out of you." which is what happened the first time and is likely not an option now.

They could have given him the same ultimatum with one twist, "we're firing the shit out of you out of a canon."

[lucas_lee]

Jan 26, 2024 8:06:36 GMT -5 RI Richmark said:

Jan 26, 2024 7:45:12 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Wondering what Netflix thinks of all this. Yes, it happened before they got involved, but this is what they're saddled with now.

They're probably not happy at the moment but they don't start until next year.

Netflix probably doesn't care as much as you think. Not morally at least (look up their reality show division and all the skeletons in their closets, including featuring an aftermath talk show where someone was a victim of DV and featuring the accuser and abuser on the same show. The abuser was unremorseful BTW.) They're the same amount of scum as WWE IMO if what is said is true.

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

Jan 26, 2024 7:45:28 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Brock was married, in negotiations with her employer which had a track record of coercing and mistreating female employees, just ask his wife, and a public figure, the correct response to any company approved attempt to hook him up was 'No.', not to try and heap more humiliation onto her.

He's a grown-ass man who's travelled the world, again, one married to someone who saw firsthandmhow Vince treated women. Let's not try and create excuses for him like he didn't know what he was involved in was wrong.

not making excuses for him and don’t ever want to see him again but it is hard to not see this behavior as a circle. obviously it is with vince but god knows what sable saw back then too.

[FHgrad99]

Jan 26, 2024 7:51:41 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

Jan 26, 2024 7:41:01 GMT -5 celtics543 said:

Not only that but American wrestling only had one place where you could make great money between WCW going out of business in 2001 and AEW opening in 2018. If you spoke out against Vince you were basically saying "I'm done with the wrestling business as a main source of income" and most guys aren't there. It's why a guy like Weinstein lasted so long. If you speak out and whatever you've said doesn't result in their removal then you just blackballed yourself from the industry you made a living in. Let's say a guy like Randy Orton knew, not saying he did but he fits the time frame. If he says something and it goes nowhere then what exactly is he supposed to do? He could be okay on the indies I guess but no guarantees. Now put yourself in the shoes of a midcard guy who has even more to lose. Or a lower card guy who is either wrestling at Wrestlemania or wrestling in a high school gym.

People should speak out but in a business where self preservation is so vital, I can see why guys and girls who worked there would try to look past it. Not that it's right but it's understandable.

He held a lot of people's future in his hands. And well, no one man should have all that power. You give somebody all that power, and it emboldens the worst in them. There's no check, so people fall in line because their future is at stake.

There is a 19th century quote that says "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely." An observation that a person's sense of morality lessens as his or her power increases. That certainly appears to be the case with Vince McMahon and in the most disgusting way possible.

[SkullTrauma]

I just have to say that naming dildos after wrestlers is the single most Vince thing I have ever heard.

[Gus Richlen: Ruffian]

Jan 26, 2024 2:39:25 GMT -5 hitman777 said:

I wonder if any of the talent will request a release after this? I know I wouldn't want to work for a company where there is such a culture of abuse running through it.

Pick up that phone, Cody and come home 🙏

Can we not?