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Post by darbus alan on Feb 1, 2024 14:56:18 GMT -5
Sometimes I just want to watch a movie where the army fights alien bugs without being preached at about how the military is evil or whatever, is that so wrong? Then you should read Starship Troopers. Heinlein glorified the military in the source material. The movie was more of a satirical response to the book than an accurate adaptation.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 1, 2024 16:03:32 GMT -5
Tbf many people watch it like Ross watched his cousin in friends. There's little memory of what actually happened.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 1, 2024 16:23:30 GMT -5
People get married with break-up songs playing in the background.
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Post by Hurbster on Feb 1, 2024 16:44:25 GMT -5
It's an awesome film, just subtle enough in its mockery of the book for some people mistakenly class it as a gung-ho movie.
It also has guns that go Brrrrrr.
And Clancy Brown.
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Post by Fundertaker on Feb 2, 2024 5:58:20 GMT -5
That said...
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Post by schma on Feb 2, 2024 12:18:11 GMT -5
I did not care for it, even after I realized the satire aspect of it. Just not a fan of gratuitous gore. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of that movie, so subtle and nuanced are the last words I would ever associate with the movie.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 2, 2024 19:24:01 GMT -5
Maybe it's nuanced, maybe it's not. But it IS a complete and utter failure in adapting the source material. Is it? Seemed clear to me Verhoeven wasn't really interested in a faithful adaptation, and the route he took definitely brought the "the military is f***ing awesome and if you don't take part you're a lesser human" theme to the forefront.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 2, 2024 21:32:56 GMT -5
I don't get why people hate Starship Troopers. It's one of my favorite. Just pure fun.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 2, 2024 21:58:25 GMT -5
Maybe it's nuanced, maybe it's not. But it IS a complete and utter failure in adapting the source material. Is it? Seemed clear to me Verhoeven wasn't really interested in a faithful adaptation, and the route he took definitely brought the "the military is f***ing awesome and if you don't take part you're a lesser human" theme to the forefront. It is. Even within the book, government service wasn't "glorified". The only thing government service gave someone was the ability to vote. All other rights and liberties were the same. And Rico's parents tried to dissuade him from joining the military, saying that that wasn't enough of an incentive. The book itself, and the plot of attacking aliens, is merely a vehicle for Heinlein's ability to explore his particular views in relation to the ongoing Cold War. And the exploration of those ideas is the real substance of the book, not the attacking aliens and invasion of their planet, which is what Verhoeven decided to make the movie about.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 2, 2024 22:33:53 GMT -5
Is it? Seemed clear to me Verhoeven wasn't really interested in a faithful adaptation, and the route he took definitely brought the "the military is f***ing awesome and if you don't take part you're a lesser human" theme to the forefront. It is. Even within the book, government service wasn't "glorified". The only thing government service gave someone was the ability to vote. All other rights and liberties were the same. And Rico's parents tried to dissuade him from joining the military, saying that that wasn't enough of an incentive. The book itself, and the plot of attacking aliens, is merely a vehicle for Heinlein's ability to explore his particular views in relation to the ongoing Cold War. And the exploration of those ideas is the real substance of the book, not the attacking aliens and invasion of their planet, which is what Verhoeven decided to make the movie about. I'll admit, a lot of what I know about this is informed by Knowing Better's YouTube video on the subject. But, as I understand it, Heinlein wasn't kidding when he wrote the book. Even though his own military experience had basically been a couple years in the signal corps in Hawaii, that ended when he fell down a hill and broke his leg, he still seemed to think of himself as Audie Murphy and thought everyone else should have to step up too. He very much believed public service was a necessity, and that the military was just the most direct option (although the book implies things like teaching were also a path to citizenship). In his later life he apparently came to regret the book somewhat, particularly as authors like Joe Haldeman (who actually served under fire in Vietnam) wrote books that were basically responses to how tying military service to humanity was not a great idea.
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 2, 2024 23:04:27 GMT -5
I think Verhoeven missed an opportunity to have the brain bug attempt to suck Jake Busey's brains out...only to realize Jake didn't have any.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Feb 2, 2024 23:55:00 GMT -5
It is. Even within the book, government service wasn't "glorified". The only thing government service gave someone was the ability to vote. All other rights and liberties were the same. And Rico's parents tried to dissuade him from joining the military, saying that that wasn't enough of an incentive. The book itself, and the plot of attacking aliens, is merely a vehicle for Heinlein's ability to explore his particular views in relation to the ongoing Cold War. And the exploration of those ideas is the real substance of the book, not the attacking aliens and invasion of their planet, which is what Verhoeven decided to make the movie about. I'll admit, a lot of what I know about this is informed by Knowing Better's YouTube video on the subject. But, as I understand it, Heinlein wasn't kidding when he wrote the book. Even though his own military experience had basically been a couple years in the signal corps in Hawaii, that ended when he fell down a hill and broke his leg, he still seemed to think of himself as Audie Murphy and thought everyone else should have to step up too. He very much believed public service was a necessity, and that the military was just the most direct option (although the book implies things like teaching were also a path to citizenship). In his later life he apparently came to regret the book somewhat, particularly as authors like Joe Haldeman (who actually served under fire in Vietnam) wrote books that were basically responses to how tying military service to humanity was not a great idea. Heinlein served ten years in the navy, and was medically discharged due to his tuberculosis. And I've never read anywhere that he regretted Starship Troopers. And while I have read that he enjoyed Joe Haldeman's work, nothing about it led to him in any way regretting Starship Troopers. Heinlein did believe it is virtuous to serve, but that did not extend to the idea that only people that served are virtuous. Why he found military service virtuous were the same reasons he found being a fire fighter or first responder or even astronaut virtuous, they tend towards the survival of a group of people too large to possibly know yourself. He was also adamantly against anything like a draft, believing that if a country was viewed by its population as not worth voluntarily defending, it was not worth surviving.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 3, 2024 3:34:56 GMT -5
My understanding is that the director hated the source material. And considering said director is the guy who made a film about a cyborg police officer also a biting commentary on the perils of a corporate-run world of privatized police services and capitalism gone rampant, it’s not a surprise. and is also a satirical retelling of the Passion while doing it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 3, 2024 3:36:50 GMT -5
I mean... Neil Patrick Harris comes out in a full SS outfit... the movie is not subtle. Sometimes I just want to watch a movie where the army fights alien bugs without being preached at about how the military is evil or whatever, is that so wrong? I don't think there's any shortage of this kind of movie (unless the bug aspect of the aliens is really crucial, in which case there's still likely several). I mean I'm sure some of the sequels are just straight up bug killin' movies.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 3, 2024 7:53:19 GMT -5
I never read the book, but all of Verhoeven's films have a good deal of hidden subtext.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 3, 2024 16:19:22 GMT -5
Read the book a few years after seeing the film. Both are great in very different ways.
Not sure how different the book might have read to me if I had read it at a younger age.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 3, 2024 18:36:58 GMT -5
I think Verhoeven missed an opportunity to have the brain bug attempt to suck Jake Busey's brains out...only to realize Jake didn't have any.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 4, 2024 0:13:27 GMT -5
Love the movie great cast as well. It's funny reading about the test screenings they hated carmen which I get like rico didn't deserve that shit
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Post by lemonyellowson on Feb 4, 2024 16:39:41 GMT -5
I liked it when the women showered with da men
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 4, 2024 19:08:59 GMT -5
The only bad part of the movie was the severe lack of Denise Richards in the gang shower scene.
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