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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 5, 2024 11:40:36 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly.
I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades?
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Post by cosmo on Feb 5, 2024 11:46:32 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 5, 2024 12:05:58 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades? I listened to a podcast within the last month that was talking about how Robocop was too subtle, and this was them watching it knowing it was going to be satirical. This happens with any satire, there's always a large chunk of the people who just take things at face value no matter what, it's disturbing.
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Post by KingPooper on Feb 5, 2024 14:36:27 GMT -5
People have complained Godzilla is woke now that he’s pink..
I guess they haven’t watched much Godzilla.
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Post by cosmo on Feb 5, 2024 14:51:25 GMT -5
People have complained Godzilla is woke now that he’s pink.. I guess they haven’t watched much Godzilla.
It's like the thing I said earlier in this thread about "why care about social commentary when you can just watch things go boom." Some people just can't be bothered to worry that Godzilla started out as an allegory for how badly Japan was f***ed up after being nuked, they just wanna watch the fire-breathing dinosaur break stuff.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Feb 5, 2024 14:58:31 GMT -5
I mean, you have the people Idiocracy was making fun of propping it up as some masterpiece against the "woke" media. Of course people don't see Starship Troopers as anything except bugs go boom.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 5, 2024 17:21:48 GMT -5
Maybe it's nuanced, maybe it's not. But it IS a complete and utter failure in adapting the source material. My understanding is that the director hated the source material. Wanted to make a silly anti war bug movie called Bug Hunt parodying Alien, studio realised the initial draft seemed too similar to the book (because Alien lifted from the book too) and bought the adaption rights to leave them legally in the clear. Then they told the director to read the book but he couldn't get past chapter 2 because he thought it was boring as hell.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 5, 2024 17:53:46 GMT -5
Frankly I find the idea of this film being nuanced as offensive!
It's about killing those filthy disgusting bugs.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 5, 2024 18:14:02 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades? it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 5, 2024 18:55:15 GMT -5
it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots. Throw in the "I liked Star Trek when it wasn't woke or political" chuds, too. And everybody who watched this and still argues that Star Wars somehow doesn't have an anti-war message.
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Post by cosmo on Feb 5, 2024 21:26:16 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades? it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots.
Okay, I get 90s edgelords thinking Tyler Durden was cool and people thinking Rorschach was a badass on a purely superficial level. But Tyler Bateman? The serial killer who was so depraved in the book that they had to actually tone it way down for the movie?
That's like watching Seven and thinking John Doe was the raddest dude that ever existed.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 5, 2024 22:22:06 GMT -5
it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots. Throw in the "I liked Star Trek when it wasn't woke or political" chuds, too. And everybody who watched this and still argues that Star Wars somehow doesn't have an anti-war message. A lot of people really missed that not only was the Empire based on fascist states like Nazi Germany, but also Cold War America. Though I wouldn't say Star Wars was anti-war so much as anti-imperialist.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 6, 2024 2:26:39 GMT -5
it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots. Okay, I get 90s edgelords thinking Tyler Durden was cool and people thinking Rorschach was a badass on a purely superficial level. But Tyler Bateman? The serial killer who was so depraved in the book that they had to actually tone it way down for the movie?
That's like watching Seven and thinking John Doe was the raddest dude that ever existed.
But he's handsome and has a privileged lifestyle! He makes jokes and likes music!
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 6, 2024 3:52:26 GMT -5
Okay, I get 90s edgelords thinking Tyler Durden was cool and people thinking Rorschach was a badass on a purely superficial level. But Tyler Bateman? The serial killer who was so depraved in the book that they had to actually tone it way down for the movie?
That's like watching Seven and thinking John Doe was the raddest dude that ever existed.
But he's handsome and has a privileged lifestyle! He makes jokes and likes music! don't forget he has sex,
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 6, 2024 12:53:41 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades? it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots. I know, but I'm sorry, Americans are especially bad for it. The number of times I've seen them get offended by blatant satire, or needing to be explained that just because someone writes something doesn't mean they approve of it, not to mention the mentality of genuinely hating and attacking an actor for their character's actions, something I genuinely don't remember ever seeing anyone outside the USA doing... sorry, but there's very much a cultural thing at play, here.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 6, 2024 15:19:33 GMT -5
it's not just Americans there is a lack of media literacy altogethr out there... people that think Rorschach, Tyler Durden or Patrick Bateman are the good guys, cool, or even someone to emulate. At least Bateman and Durden's movie adaptations got that no... they really aren't... Rorschach got covered by Snyder... and totally thought him and Comedian were bad ass... but not only that there's things like GUndam which have a very strong anti-war message usually and people just go... oooh giant robots. Okay, I get 90s edgelords thinking Tyler Durden was cool and people thinking Rorschach was a badass on a purely superficial level. But Tyler Bateman? The serial killer who was so depraved in the book that they had to actually tone it way down for the movie?
That's like watching Seven and thinking John Doe was the raddest dude that ever existed.
Some folks will latch onto one aspect of a messed up character they relate to and disregard everything else. I’ve seen videos of incels running around town recording themselves being annoying and hyping up Travis Bickle as their idol to folks, when if you watch the movie it’s a tragedy because he’s a sad dangerous loser who doesn’t get any better and it’s hinted that if there was a Taxi Driver sequel it’d end with Travis likely dead or in jail. Or with Kilmonger in Black Panther, there are some things he’s reasonably mad about, but that doesn’t give him a moral free pass to usurp a kingdom and commit global terrorism. I don’t feel though that art should be dumbed down and things explained on-the-nose in media because there’s morons out there that take the wrong things from what they consume. Sometimes these weird takeaways just speak to deeper internal issues with a person.
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Post by agent817 on Feb 6, 2024 17:13:04 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades? It's also like that outcry about Robert Downey Jr.'s character in "Tropic Thunder." People immediately thought he was portraying a black guy when his character was a try-hard actor who was playing a black guy in the movie the characters were filming. That was all a satire on how back in the day, many white actors played characters of different ethnic backgrounds. That was the point of the satire.
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Post by cosmo on Feb 6, 2024 20:43:32 GMT -5
Here's the thing, though: it's NOT even subtle, and it's not trying to be. Honesty, I'm stunned by how often Americans fail to detect even the most overt of satire. I swear they'll see an actual clown honk his nose and think "Can you believe that's just how this guy lives?!". And then someone on YouTube will take three hours dissecting the "mind-blowing theory" that it's not actually meant to be serious, or call him a fraud for merely pretending to be silly. I mean Hell, we're wrestling fans, how often do we deal with people who feel the need to point out "wrestling's fake!" even though it's not trying to fool anyone and hasn't for decades? It's also like that outcry about Robert Downey Jr.'s character in "Tropic Thunder." People immediately thought he was portraying a black guy when his character was a try-hard actor who was playing a black guy in the movie the characters were filming. That was all a satire on how back in the day, many white actors played characters of different ethnic backgrounds. That was the point of the satire.
They must not have watched Tropic Thunder at all, because Brandon T. Jackson's character actually repeatedly calls him out for doing blackface. The movie wasn't even really subtle with it either.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 6, 2024 21:34:19 GMT -5
It's also like that outcry about Robert Downey Jr.'s character in "Tropic Thunder." People immediately thought he was portraying a black guy when his character was a try-hard actor who was playing a black guy in the movie the characters were filming. That was all a satire on how back in the day, many white actors played characters of different ethnic backgrounds. That was the point of the satire.
They must not have watched Tropic Thunder at all, because Brandon T. Jackson's character actually repeatedly calls him out for doing blackface. The movie wasn't even really subtle with it either.
The whole film could have been called "Stop doing literally all of this" and people would still miss the subtext
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 6, 2024 22:42:34 GMT -5
Yeah, the whole point was that RDJ's character was -method- and thought doing blackface was his ticket to an Oscar.
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