Tiffany Stratton Thread: It's Tiffy Time, Toodles!

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Sept 6, 2024 23:08:43 GMT -5 Saiyanic Panic said:

Cashing in my doom post! I spent a long while defending her time on the main roster so I think I can burn some meter.

She's booked like a loser. But I don't think the character can own it and have it roll off like say a Chelsea Green or Arianna Grace can.

There's always caveats. She's got the briefcase which, as discussed, is like a massive debuff. There was a distraction. But what really made her - her wrestling - she rarely does, she can't help but lose on the off-chance she is booked, she hasn't hit her finish (is it still her finish?) in months and she's consistently cowed by Jaxx.

Now I'm sure when the matches do happen Nia will do all she can to make her look like a worldbeater. Even still she's lost a lot of shine. She doesn't feel at all like the person who took Becky Lynch to the limit a year ago.

Agree with your post, but I don't think she even feels like she did coming out of Backlash, where she still had an OK match record, was on 2 of 3 PLEs, and felt like a really big deal who they could eventually build a division around.

If you take it at face value, and a level playing field, then she's still had a pretty decent time on the main roster compared to most recent NXT female call ups, but she doesn't really feel like what Bron is, or will be, to the men's division which some were expecting, and doesn't feel particularly special anymore. Hitting one PME, one of the most aesthetically pleasing finishing moves, in 6 months (and counting) is pathetic, whichever way you look at it.

Then you see the likes of Roxanne been given a career run in NXT, having matches left, right and centre and getting generally great reviews, and the likes of Guilia, Stephanie and other big names coming in, I do fear she might get left behind and just be middle of the road this time next year. There definitely doesn't seem to be the emphasis to make her an obvious stand out like there used to be, whether that's because they think she's been embedded in now and established enough, or still something to do with the IG post, I don't know.

Still, there should be big matches ahead for her in the coming months, and Charlotte returning will probably make her feel like a bigger deal, assuming they are directly involved with her, so we'll see how it goes, but she definitely does seem to be stalling right now.

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I was going to ask, do you think it would be better to currently be in Roxanne's position or Tiffany's in terms of future WWE prospects? Roxanne was pushed harder in NXT in 2022, won the title first, won the break out, won the tag titles while Tiffany was obviously finding her feet her no prior wrestling experience. Tiffany seemed to surpass her in 2023, won the title, had her breakthrough with Becky and then was of course called up first. Tiffany's first few months were really good with the Elimination Chamber showing, creating buzz, popular with crowds, title match at Backlash, but despite having the briefcase, she does seem to have leveled off a bit.

Roxanne was looking like she was going to have another meh NXT title reign at the start of the year, kind of effectively killing time down there until there was a main roster opening for her, but she has stepped up these past 4 or 5 months, always having matches, and will clearly have some high profile upcoming NXT matches and will then likely head to the main roster full of momentum and confidence (not barely being used for 4 months like Tiffany was).

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With the stipulations, it's almost certain the faces will pick up the win as there realistically won't be enough time to sort anything else out for Nia at Bad Blood, and very likely Tiffy will eat yet another pin to further the Nia story. I could see them joint pinning her and the Bad Blood match becomes a triple threat match. I could see the cash in, whether successful or not, happening at Bad Blood because it does feel very close and they can't keep having these false attempts in quick succession.

At least she is getting matches now and regular TV time, and her matches will enhance a story they are telling whichever way they go, like if/when she does take the pin, that will piss Nia off, especially if it does turn into a triple threat and statistically lowering her retention chances, leading to further tension between them, so it's not like she's just taking L after L for the sake of it. You see poor Piper last night, no entrance, no introduction and takes a clean loss after less than 2 minutes - it would genuinely have been better for her stock if she had Covid like Bronson the other week and she skipped the show. She just came across as worthless fodder. 

It was also nice to see Tiffany on the new Smackdown poster and she is being featured on promotional content on the WWE website a lot more now, so she clearly is in a good position within the brand / company, but I do wonder if they are actually aware of just how bad her W-L record is, especially for someone who they do seem to be promoting. The other 6 on the poster will all have at least 75%+ winning records this year, some of them in the 90s, but Tiffany has a losing record this year (despite racking up a lot of early wins), and Jacob Fatu will have probably hit his version of the PME more times since July than Tiffany will have hit hers in her near 8 months on the main roster, which is crazy.

It's normal for an MITB holder to take a few losses whilst having the status of the briefcase to protect them, but it's just she barely won at all in the 4 months prior to winning the case that's the main issue  (some of that may have been self inflicted), so it would feel pretty weird if all of a sudden she was the champion in the coming weeks and then no doubt going on a 4 or 5 match streak of title defenses.

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[asuka007]

The Women’s Division on both shows are just dull right now frankly (it’s not the women’s fault though).

I’m just waiting for Tiff to cash in at this point.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Sept 14, 2024 10:14:34 GMT -5 centeroftheuniverse said:

With the stipulations, it's almost certain the faces will pick up the win as there realistically won't be enough time to sort anything else out for Nia at Bad Blood, and very likely Tiffy will eat yet another pin to further the Nia story. I could see them joint pinning her and the Bad Blood match becomes a triple threat match. I could see the cash in, whether successful or not, happening at Bad Blood because it does feel very close and they can't keep having these false attempts in quick succession.

At least she is getting matches now and regular TV time, and her matches will enhance a story they are telling whichever way they go, like if/when she does take the pin, that will piss Nia off, especially if it does turn into a triple threat and statistically lowering her retention chances, leading to further tension between them, so it's not like she's just taking L after L for the sake of it. You see poor Piper last night, no entrance, no introduction and takes a clean loss after less than 2 minutes - it would genuinely have been better for her stock if she had Covid like Bronson the other week and she skipped the show. She just came across as worthless fodder. 

It was also nice to see Tiffany on the new Smackdown poster and she is being featured on promotional content on the WWE website a lot more now, so she clearly is in a good position within the brand / company, but I do wonder if they are actually aware of just how bad her W-L record is, especially for someone who they do seem to be promoting. The other 6 on the poster will all have at least 75%+ winning records this year, some of them in the 90s, but Tiffany has a losing record this year (despite racking up a lot of early wins), and Jacob Fatu will have probably hit his version of the PME more times since July than Tiffany will have hit hers in her near 8 months on the main roster, which is crazy.

It's normal for an MITB holder to take a few losses whilst having the status of the briefcase to protect them, but it's just she barely won at all in the 4 months prior to winning the case that's the main issue  (some of that may have been self inflicted), so it would feel pretty weird if all of a sudden she was the champion in the coming weeks and then no doubt going on a 4 or 5 match streak of title defenses.

I feel like you can't really judge how they feel about women that are on Smackdown based on wins and matches because most of the women wrestle so little on that show with the lack of available TV time and how they use the roster in general. It's different from Raw where generally everyone gets a lot more reps just mainly out of necessity since they have so much TV time to fill. I bet if she was on Raw Tiffany would've got a lot more wins on TV this year.

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Sept 14, 2024 15:27:06 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

Sept 14, 2024 10:14:34 GMT -5 centeroftheuniverse said:

With the stipulations, it's almost certain the faces will pick up the win as there realistically won't be enough time to sort anything else out for Nia at Bad Blood, and very likely Tiffy will eat yet another pin to further the Nia story. I could see them joint pinning her and the Bad Blood match becomes a triple threat match. I could see the cash in, whether successful or not, happening at Bad Blood because it does feel very close and they can't keep having these false attempts in quick succession.

At least she is getting matches now and regular TV time, and her matches will enhance a story they are telling whichever way they go, like if/when she does take the pin, that will piss Nia off, especially if it does turn into a triple threat and statistically lowering her retention chances, leading to further tension between them, so it's not like she's just taking L after L for the sake of it. You see poor Piper last night, no entrance, no introduction and takes a clean loss after less than 2 minutes - it would genuinely have been better for her stock if she had Covid like Bronson the other week and she skipped the show. She just came across as worthless fodder. 

It was also nice to see Tiffany on the new Smackdown poster and she is being featured on promotional content on the WWE website a lot more now, so she clearly is in a good position within the brand / company, but I do wonder if they are actually aware of just how bad her W-L record is, especially for someone who they do seem to be promoting. The other 6 on the poster will all have at least 75%+ winning records this year, some of them in the 90s, but Tiffany has a losing record this year (despite racking up a lot of early wins), and Jacob Fatu will have probably hit his version of the PME more times since July than Tiffany will have hit hers in her near 8 months on the main roster, which is crazy.

It's normal for an MITB holder to take a few losses whilst having the status of the briefcase to protect them, but it's just she barely won at all in the 4 months prior to winning the case that's the main issue  (some of that may have been self inflicted), so it would feel pretty weird if all of a sudden she was the champion in the coming weeks and then no doubt going on a 4 or 5 match streak of title defenses.

I feel like you can't really judge how they feel about women that are on Smackdown based on wins and matches because most of the women wrestle so little on that show with the lack of available TV time and how they use the roster in general. It's different from Raw where generally everyone gets a lot more reps just mainly out of necessity since they have so much TV time to fill. I bet if she was on Raw Tiffany would've got a lot more wins on TV this year.

The lack of women's matches and available opponents on Smackdown is a big issue, but they still could have given her more wins / matches if they wanted to. Fellow heel Nia has managed to win no less than 8 one on one TV matches since being drafted in May, whereas Tiffany doesn't have a single one on one win since March 8th, and she only has 1 pin fall victory in that very soon to be 7 month period (Candice in the MITB qualifier). When Bron was briefly on Smackdown earlier in the year they managed to find some fodder / enhancement talent for him to squash, now Tiffany obviously isn't portrayed as a destructive monster, but they still could have found someone for her to get a few quick wins over the past 6 months, hear her entrance, commentators rave about her athleticism, see her finishing move every once in a while, and to maintain a bit of momentum.

There probably will be a few examples over the years, like maybe Jinder or someone, but if she did become Champion on October 5th, I can't imagine there being many at all who went from having only 1 pin fall / submission victory in 7 months (with no inactivity) to suddenly becoming one of the main champions.

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A bit shit how she didn't even get her own entrance and music tonight. Jade and Bianca always get theirs and they are an official team, but I guess at least she didn't eat the pin. I was fully expecting a rose plant / rear view combo or something. Suspect she will get involved next week resulting in a DQ to force a triple threat at Backlash, where she may cash in. If she is winning the title soon, they are not really portraying her as a star.

[Saiyanic Panic]

Stratton's relationship with Jaxx is fractured. 

Something has been awakened in FAN. 

And Tiffany has a match scheduled for and might even nail what's presumably -still- the Prettiest Moonsault Ever next week!

Nature is healing.

[A Little Doo Doo]

Sept 28, 2024 15:54:07 GMT -5 Saiyanic Panic said:

Stratton's relationship with Jaxx is fractured. 

Something has been awakened in FAN. 

And Tiffany has a match scheduled for and might even nail what's presumably -still- the Prettiest Moonsault Ever next week!

Nature is healing.

Nia and Tiffy are FINE. Sometimes friends choke each other a little bit.

[Saiyanic Panic]

Sept 28, 2024 15:56:50 GMT -5 A Little Doo Doo said:

Sept 28, 2024 15:54:07 GMT -5 Saiyanic Panic said:

Stratton's relationship with Jaxx is fractured. 

Something has been awakened in FAN. 

And Tiffany has a match scheduled for and might even nail what's presumably -still- the Prettiest Moonsault Ever next week!

Nature is healing.

Nia and Tiffy are FINE. Sometimes friends choke each other a little bit.

Hey, that's normally my bit!

Speaking of, can't wait for Tiffany's love bites to be blamed on Kaiser.

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I don't really know what to think anymore. At least she is getting more matches now, and that Nia segment added a little bit of intrigue and a talking point, and sets up a potential face turn. I think the cash in feels soon (and pretty rushed), but I hope she doesn't cash in at Bad Blood as I still think it's far too soon for her to be a champion with her booking these past 4 months, and I also don't want her to fail and potentially slide into obscurity like a Blair, Candice, Indi etc. at least this briefcase is keeping her prominent and on TV.

If it was me, coming out of Backlash (or Elimination Chamber) I would have just made her this really cool Tweener. Someone who could fight heels or faces at any given time, she could rack up wins against the likes of Chelsea, Indi, Candice, Blair, Piper, or Naomi, Michin, Tegan etc. on the face side, and maybe have the odd loss to the likes of Bayley and Bianca (which she has) where the renowned faces could show a begrudging respect after their win. She could still have portrayed subtle heel features and tactic during her match, and I would have had it culminating at War Games where she could eventually join the face team as the last participant and get the all important win for her team (I still think 5 on 5 elimnation matches are much better) a bit like Cena did all those years ago at the start of his rise where he joined Team Angle over Team Lesnar, and then she could have looked to get into the title scene between Rumble and Mania next year.

We are now effectively in October, it will be by the time she is next on our screen, and her record will be only 1 win by pin or submission in SEVEN months (Candice in the MITB qualifier), which is crazy for someone who is supposedly towards the top of the card and in theory could win the title at any time.

I could potentially see her cashing in (successfully) at Bad Blood and I think it will be a mistake.

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I've mentioned Instagram numbers before, but if you take SocialBlade - socialblade.com/instagram/user/tiffanywwe/monthly

Her monthly followers gains since the rumble are:

February - 69,543
March - 46,605
April - 71,736
May - 57,284
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June - 14,521
July - 43,931 (MITB month)
August - 19,926
September - 16,140

So she's been on the main roster exactly 8 months now, in her first 4 months she gained 245,168 and in the latter 4 months she's gained 94,518 despite having her biggest moment of her career by far during that month and she should be as hot as she has ever been, but while maybe a bit sad / obsessive looking into this in detail, I do think these numbers are a pretty accurate reflection that interest has dwindled a bit since Backlash. This thread is barely bumped, there doesn't seem anything like as much hype and buzz online, I don't think her reactions are as strong as they were, and until very recently she just hasn't been given the chance to just go out there and put on a good match, which is her main USP.

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Mind, as soon as typed the lack of online buzz, I saw that this segment had gone viral, ha.

[Saiyanic Panic]

Stratton did an interview with FAN (Hey! Waitaminnit!) Minneapolis/St. Paul's Maxx Fuller earlier today~ Here's a brief breakdown!

If there were one question she'd like to never be asked in an interview again it'd be "Who's your Mount Rushmore?" or "Who's your most wanted opponent?" If there was one thing she'd like to be asked more about maybe her upbringing or how she got into it.

Her mom was the one who suggested she become a professional wrestler (they saw Charlotte Flair on Smackdown and her mom said it was something she could totally do with her skillset). She didn't pursue it immediately but once she left gymnastics she still wanted something that pushed her competitively. After reaching out to Greg Gagne he agreed to train her and would get her foot in the door as a WWE tryout.

Was thrown on TV immediately as it was the advent of NXT 2.0 and they were looking for fresh faces. A lot of pressure to perform but she feels you can see her progression improve week-to-week on the show.

Most insane/surreal personal fan interaction was signing a man's bicep at WrestleMania weekend ("It was a BIG signature!") and then the following day him returning to her booth with it permanently tattooed. Come to find out "he had 'Sasha Banks' on the other one."

Really wants a WrestleMania in Minneapolis. No pressure but it's a dream be on the card for a major PLE in Minnesota. There is a Friday Night Smackdown coming up December 6 in Minneapolis and it'd be her first time wrestling in front of a Minnesota crowd. "It gives me goosebumps; I'm so excited!"

If there were to be a show or doc covering someone on Netflix or other programming she like them to get to know Nia Jaxx, Chelsea Green, Maxxine Dupri, Sonya DeVille or Camilla.

Besides Simone Biles, who she's spoken about before as hoping she gets involved in pro-wrestling, any other athlete/celebrity you think would do well in WWE?

Stratton: "I don't know if you've been watching but in Dancing with the Stars... there's this girl (Ilona Maher) who was in the Olympics for, I think it was rugby and she's JACKED. She does the funny Tik-Toks and stuff; I think she would be perfect in wrestling!"

When back in Minn she's fond of going to the CōV in Wayzata and Mystic Lake Casino (where she used to work as a server in their restaurant, free plug "they have amazing food there!"). She's a huge boat girl ("Grew up on a boat obviously, I'm from Prior Lake!") and loves being out on Lake Minnetonka.

Not all that into sports but maybe could rep the Vikings colors when (she) wrestles in Minnesota.

Kinda perplexed she can't think of a random talent people might not know about and ponders if all her talent is already being used on wrestling.

Keeping the confidence within yourself when out there performing and shutting out hurtful things that may be said of you is definitely a skill you need to acquire. There's so much positive but "nobody briefs or tells you you're gonna get a lot of hate".

With WWE rumored to be using well known artists and music for entrances she might like a song such as Britney Spears' "Piece of Me" or "Oops I Did It Again" as a theme. Something she'd have to think on.

Best friend in the locker room?

Stratton: "Nia Jaxx, hands down. That girl is my entire world when I'm on the road. She is so funny, so fun to be around, she has amazing energy. She's always down to make a Tik Tok, to take a picture. She takes all my pictures for me, she's amazing, I love her."

[UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm]

i can only imagine how angry people are on social media rn lmao

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This is her win-loss record since March 8th

Smackdown Apr 12 - LOST vs Naomi
Smackdown Apr 26 - NO CONTEST vs Naomi
Smackdown May 3 - LOST 8 person tag
Backlash May 4 - LOST vs Naomi and Bayley (triple threat)
Smackdown May 17 - LOST vs Bianca
Smackdown Jun 27 - WON MITB Qual vs Candace and Jade
MITB Jul 6 - WON MITB Ladder match
Smackdown Jul 19 - LOST to Michin
Smackdown Jul 26 - WON tag vs Michin and Bayley (Nia got the pin)
Smackdown Sep 6 - LOST vs Bayley
Smackdown Sep 20 - LOST tag vs Naomi and Bayley
Smackdown Oct 4 - LOST vs Naomi

3-1-8 over the past 7 months, so not just the MITB 'curse'. The IG incident may have affected her wins before MITB, but she had no momentum headed into it, no momentum headed out of it, and if she were to win the title tomorrow she would feel like the weakest booked contender in history leading to it.

[asuka007]

And….the lost again. And it makes even less sense here since it goes against the story they seemingly were telling with Naomi as well.

[Saiyanic Panic]

Tiffany was a featured player in multiple segments, received a little interview time and had a match where she got to hit some standout offense.

She's also got told off as a stupid bitch undeserving of respect, bungled an attack on Bayley, backed down from Nia and ate another pinfall.

Money in the Bank, everybody! 

Tiffy-times are tough. I know the resident center of the universe doesn't approve but should she cash-in this weekend she best go on a freakin' RUN.

[Saiyanic Panic]

And yea, it's not all MitB. It's just a leg up that boots you in the temple.