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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Oct 4, 2024 21:33:24 GMT -5
I'm starting to think failing the cash in and resetting might be the best way forward. Get revenge on whoever costs her, win that mini feud and then hopefully be booked like more of an actual contender next year. For someone who is understandably still a bit green, and not elite at leading / following matches at this stage, you'd think they would want to give her a bit of momentum with a few wins.
I like how she is still prominent, and wouldn't want her to be like a Blair, Indi, Candice and barely get on the show without the case, but the cash in feels like it's soon, definitely within the next 7 weeks or so (Survivor Series at the latest) and they have made an absolute pigs ear out of her booking. I don't think I could take her serious as a champ and supposed leading figure in the division if she were to win the title tomorrow.
At least most of her defeats are roll ups / interference and not just plain straight up decisive losses, but they must surely know that winning matches, any matches in her case, is the best way to build momentum and credibility.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 4, 2024 21:39:28 GMT -5
I'm starting to think failing the cash in and resetting might be the best way forward. Get revenge on whoever costs her, win that mini feud and then hopefully be booked like more of an actual contender next year. ......That scenario didn't exactly pan out so well for Austin Theory....... |
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Oct 4, 2024 21:46:19 GMT -5
I'm starting to think failing the cash in and resetting might be the best way forward. Get revenge on whoever costs her, win that mini feud and then hopefully be booked like more of an actual contender next year. ......That scenario didn't exactly pan out so well for Austin Theory....... Well she might be the next Austin Theory. It's one thing losing a few matches with the protection of the case, but losing pretty much all your matches over seven months, when you've only been on the main roster for 8 months, is absolutely insane. Very hard to take her serious as a credible champion if she were to win the title soon. |
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Oct 4, 2024 22:04:58 GMT -5
Graves suggesting Tiffany target Roxanne Perez cracked me. It'd be matter meeting anti-matter. The champion who can't lose vs. the woman that won't win.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Oct 4, 2024 22:43:56 GMT -5
Wish they hadn't kept the old guards unwritten rule that the person with the case has to always lose.
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Post by asuka007 on Oct 4, 2024 23:23:19 GMT -5
I’ve never understood that idea? WWE seems to think that as long as you get the belt, nothing matters and it’s wiped clean. But that’s dumb.
The belt by itself doesn’t make you credible. Especially when most MITB winners (heel or face) win the belt in a cheap way (surprising an injured/ tired opponent who is not at 100%). So it’s not like they’re even winning it straight up.
They should be BUILDING UP the briefcase holder before they cash in.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Oct 5, 2024 4:27:08 GMT -5
At least most of her defeats are roll ups / interference and not just plain straight up decisive losses, but they must surely know that winning matches, any matches in her case, is the best way to build momentum and credibility. I still feel like there's still the underlying issue from the start of the year, and that is that the division isn't deep enough for anyone, let alone Stratton, to run train on an undercard and stat pad the win column while waiting for the time that they're booked to cash-in. Like literally every other babyface was unavailable to her in the last month, because even Michin was in an actual feud, let alone someone like Bayley (who she'll almost certainly beat at some point while champion), Naomi who is kind of in an angle with Bayley, or the uber-protected Bianca Belair and Jade Cargill. The only healthy babyface left is Tegan Nox, and she hasn't been booked PERIOD in months. I get it's frustrating, but would we still be having this conversation if she'd spent the last couple of months literally ping-ponging between beating Michin one week and beating Naomi the next? Probably, yeah. Like, we used to call it "Wheel Of Aggression" booking when Alberto Del Rio would spend whole PPV cycles beating the same half a dozen midcarders on TV before losing on PPV, and it did f***in nothing for him. This wouldn't even be a wheel, it'd be like a coin. At least there's a decent chance Stratton might win on the PPV tomorrow with a cash-in. |
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Oct 5, 2024 5:08:14 GMT -5
At least most of her defeats are roll ups / interference and not just plain straight up decisive losses, but they must surely know that winning matches, any matches in her case, is the best way to build momentum and credibility. I still feel like there's still the underlying issue from the start of the year, and that is that the division isn't deep enough for anyone, let alone Stratton, to run train on an undercard and stat pad the win column while waiting for the time that they're booked to cash-in. Like literally every other babyface was unavailable to her in the last month, because even Michin was in an actual feud, let alone someone like Bayley (who she'll almost certainly beat at some point while champion), Naomi who is kind of in angle with Bayley, or the uber-protected Bianca Belair and Jade Cargill. The only healthy babyface left is Tegan Nox, and she hasn't been booked PERIOD in months. I get it's frustrating, but would we still be having this conversation if she'd spent the last couple of months literally ping-ponging between beating Michin one week and beating Naomi the next? Probably, yeah. Like, we used to call it "Wheel Of Aggression" booking when Alberto Del Rio would spend whole PPV cycles beating the same half a dozen midcarders on TV before losing on PPV, and it did f***in nothing for him. This wouldn't even be a wheel, it'd be like a coin. At least there's a decent chance Stratton might win on the PPV tomorrow with a cash-in. The lack of opponents is a massive issue with Smackdown. She's had about 18 matches on the main roster and 7 of those were one on ones vs Michin (3) or Naomi (4), not including the Backlash triple threat. It's weird, if she does win the title in about 12 hours then it will kind of feel out of place, but then if she does keep the case a month or two more then she's probably likely just to rack up more Ls on TV anyway, although there probably more chance she would hold the title until Mania the later she won it. Someone elsewhere made a comparison which I thought was quite accurate. They said she was a bit like the Miz, maybe perceived as a bit of a joke character, can take L after L, but still remains prominent and won't let those losses affect her once her big moment does come. I'm sure they probably will have something decent planned for her and it will work out well, but I do still have concerns that her lack of wins, especially coupled with her obvious lack of experience, will make her feel like a weak champion who ultimately flops. |
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Oct 5, 2024 5:56:30 GMT -5
My thoughts are somewhere in the middle. Stratton doesn't need to bring the women's division to heel but she's nowhere in the neighborhood of Miz. That's the rare air of a Chelsea Green, who could drop falls every week and lose not a thing. She's such a force of personality and just an awesome player to have on deck. Tiffany I like a lot but she's not that person. Presently? She loses, she comes off as a loser. It's gotten so ingrained she's an also-ran Pam Bayley's referencing she can't do it on her own merits on the show.
I'd rather she just wrestled more to improve her game, come off well on TV and perhaps hit her moonsault. Maybe more often than every coupla months.
I might be pushing it.
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Post by grungesmurf on Oct 5, 2024 7:07:20 GMT -5
Bring back the days of local jobbers. Build up the win column.
Then who knows maybe one of them will catch on like Blue Pants.
I don’t understand WWE logic with whoever has the briefcase going on losing streaks till they cash in.
𝓣𝓲𝓯𝓯𝓪𝓷𝔂 isn’t in my favorites list but I’m not against her winning the title.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 5, 2024 7:38:53 GMT -5
My guess is she wins the title tonight and does the whole, "Loser heel having to prove they deserve it," bit starting with beating Naomi at Crown Jewel. Which sounds awful but not like Bayley vs. Nia is better.
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Post by 4real on Oct 5, 2024 13:28:33 GMT -5
My guess is she wins the title tonight and does the whole, "Loser heel having to prove they deserve it," bit starting with beating Naomi at Crown Jewel. Which sounds awful but not like Bayley vs. Nia is better. I hope so. Nia as Champion is just a massive turn off for me. Then do Tiff v Chelsea at Survivor Series please. It’s in Canada, they have history going back to the MITB match. Just do it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trish comes back instead to wrestle at that show though. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 5, 2024 14:56:38 GMT -5
Naomi going over Tiffany makes no sense. Going by what happened last week with Naomi makes it even more dumb.
I seriously think that at this point they just book the MITB winner to lose all the time because they get a kick out of how it pisses everybody off due to how it stupid it is. I can't think of any other reason. It's just such counterproductive booking especially when you have someone with as much upside as Tiffany.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Oct 5, 2024 18:47:41 GMT -5
Same result, but different dynamics to the SummerSlam match with Nia and Tiffany not on the same page this time at the end. The crowd were chanting 'We want Tiffy' and 'Tiffy Time' a few minutes before she came out so these failed cash in attempts haven't reached monotonous levels yet, but there basically can't be a normal WWE Women's title match without interruption while the briefcase is still in play.
Nia will possibly have one more PLE match before the end of the year, not sure what's most likely of the two. If RAW gets the women's WAR games match then maybe Nia will have a defense at Survivor Series, which gives them another 8 weeks or so to build to the moment. Potentially winning at Survivor Series would be cool as the following Smackdown on December 6th is in her home city of Minneapolis, so that would be great for her to enter that show as champion for the first time. I guess potentially cashing in there could be an option if the women don't make the PLE cut and if they want to fully cement her as a face.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Oct 5, 2024 18:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Oct 5, 2024 18:51:58 GMT -5
Oops. Well, suffice to say she didn't cash it in.
Also - HISTORIC PAPA HAITCH PROMO~
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Oct 5, 2024 18:58:53 GMT -5
Looks like Liv vs Nia at Crown Jewel (unless there's a cash in before them). No titles on the line, but not sure how that will affect Tiffany. If Nia is on Crown Jewel then can't see her being on Survivor Series as well, but we'll see how it plays out. Potentially winning her first title in Saudi would be a bit underwhelming IMO.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 6, 2024 3:18:42 GMT -5
Looks like Liv vs Nia at Crown Jewel (unless there's a cash in before them). No titles on the line, but not sure how that will affect Tiffany. If Nia is on Crown Jewel then can't see her being on Survivor Series as well, but we'll see how it plays out. Potentially winning her first title in Saudi would be a bit underwhelming IMO. Liv versus Nia is such an odd match. Makes me think that one of them, likely Nia, is losing their title before then because I don't even know how that match would work. Who would even be the face? Nobody likes Nia but Liv is a chickens**t heel who now has two people helping her. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Oct 6, 2024 4:34:19 GMT -5
Looks like Liv vs Nia at Crown Jewel (unless there's a cash in before them). No titles on the line, but not sure how that will affect Tiffany. If Nia is on Crown Jewel then can't see her being on Survivor Series as well, but we'll see how it plays out. Potentially winning her first title in Saudi would be a bit underwhelming IMO. Liv versus Nia is such an odd match. Makes me think that one of them, likely Nia, is losing their title before then because I don't even know how that match would work. Who would even be the face? Nobody likes Nia but Liv is a chickens**t heel who now has two people helping her. Morgan v Stratton is an odd match on paper, as well. As much as people are gonna hate it, this feels like a spot ripe for a Charlotte Flair comeback. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 6, 2024 4:52:11 GMT -5
Liv versus Nia is such an odd match. Makes me think that one of them, likely Nia, is losing their title before then because I don't even know how that match would work. Who would even be the face? Nobody likes Nia but Liv is a chickens**t heel who now has two people helping her. Morgan v Stratton is an odd match on paper, as well. As much as people are gonna hate it, this feels like a spot ripe for a Charlotte Flair comeback. Morgan against Stratton while odd too would still be a lot better then Morgan against Nia. I could at least see Stratton working defacto face and being able to have the fans behind before losing since that's all she's been doing anyways. Nia against Liv I can't see working in any way that makes sense. It's either Nia has to overcome interference from Raquel and Dom when nobody is going to rally behind her or we're supposed to feel sorry for Liv as she gets bullied around even though she's a homewrecker who is always cheating to retain her title. |
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