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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Nov 8, 2024 23:15:26 GMT -5
I *do* think she's gotta be squarely in the lower echelon of televised wins. Has to be. Definitely a lot closer to the lower half of the division, what people might consider midcard champ contenders than what some might think.
I'm sure she leaves Piper in the dust but she, Chelsea, Michin and Candice have to be almost a dead heat. |
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Nov 8, 2024 23:20:55 GMT -5
Possibly end up cashing in on the midcard belt or something after taking the 6 month MITB losses and doesn't even get the big payoff. Nah.
I like to josh about her booking patterns but they aren't doin' that.
It would basically mean they've admitted someone, somewhere had f'd up, but we'll see. I don't think so, but stranger things have happened. It doesn't feel like all is well. But I really do feel that her inexperience and shit booking will cost her anyway if she does become champion. They had an absolute megastar coming out of Perth and France, but she feels anything but that at the moment. |
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Nov 8, 2024 23:24:18 GMT -5
I *do* think she's gotta be squarely in the lower echelon of televised wins. Has to be. Definitely a lot closer to the lower half of the division, what people might consider midcard champ contenders than what some might think.
I'm sure she leaves Piper in the dust but she, Chelsea, Michin and Candice have to be almost a dead heat. Someone regular puts W-Ls on Twitter, and yeah, what you say is about right. This was before tonight, so another L for Tiffy. 8-13-2 for the year (that includes Fallon), but it's even worse when you consider 5 of those wins were before March 8th and one of those latter 3 wins was a tag match where Nia got the pin. 2024 TV Win-Loss Record of the #SmackDown Women’s Roster (November 4) : Bianca Belair: 22-8** Jade Cargill: 19-5** Naomi: 15-14-2^ Nia Jax: 14-8 Bayley: 12–6-2 Candice LeRae: 10-15*^ Michin: 9-15**^ Chelsea Green: 9-19*** Tiffany Stratton: 8-12-2** Blair Davenport: 5-9** Piper Niven: 2-17*^ Elektra Lopez: 1-5**^ B-Fab: 0-1 |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Nov 8, 2024 23:29:42 GMT -5
they'll eventually fix her but its wild to see where she is now after starting off so hot. could've really gave her the rocket if you wanted after the match in Australia
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 8, 2024 23:43:35 GMT -5
I have no idea where any of this is going. Like, you really shouldn’t be using a top singles champion and the MITB holder to build up the tag champions.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Nov 8, 2024 23:58:20 GMT -5
POSSIBLE 'MANIA SPOILERS
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
If rumors about her 'Mania match with Charlotte are accurate they're going to hafta start booking Nia's princess like a queen. Or they go the kid can't hang route. That might be more likely. |
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Nov 9, 2024 0:12:07 GMT -5
I *do* think she's gotta be squarely in the lower echelon of televised wins. Has to be. Definitely a lot closer to the lower half of the division, what people might consider midcard champ contenders than what some might think.
I'm sure she leaves Piper in the dust but she, Chelsea, Michin and Candice have to be almost a dead heat. Someone regular puts W-Ls on Twitter, and yeah, what you say is about right. This was before tonight, so another L for Tiffy. 8-13-2 for the year (that includes Fallon), but it's even worse when you consider 5 of those wins were before March 8th and one of those latter 3 wins was a tag match where Nia got the pin. 2024 TV Win-Loss Record of the #SmackDown Women’s Roster (November 4) : Bianca Belair: 22-8** Jade Cargill: 19-5** Naomi: 15-14-2^ Nia Jax: 14-8 Bayley: 12–6-2 Candice LeRae: 10-15*^ Michin: 9-15**^ Chelsea Green: 9-19*** Tiffany Stratton: 8-12-2** Blair Davenport: 5-9** Piper Niven: 2-17*^ Elektra Lopez: 1-5**^ B-Fab: 0-1 Nice. Not for Tiffy naturally, but thanks!
What did the asterisks mean? Online shows and stuff like that?
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Nov 9, 2024 0:42:53 GMT -5
The bright side is now that they've got a secondary title for the women maybe podcast people will have to ask Tiffany a new question!
Swap "Would you like to win the WWE Women's United States Championship?" right in there.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 9, 2024 0:45:30 GMT -5
Not just that she lost again. But was made to look like a total imbecile in the process.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Nov 9, 2024 1:15:33 GMT -5
Not just that she lost again. But was made to look like a total imbecile in the process. I feel like we're smacking a puddle of glue rather than a dead horse but one or more happens every week.
- Her plans fail.
- Someone laughs her off in an interview and she's made to look incompetent or stupid.
- She backs down and gets put in a corner by Nia.
- She loses or causes Nia to lose.
Honestly and truly I wanna know what her plans were before Elimination Chamber.
Supposedly this expedited a lot of things.
Oh, and since we're there - as someone who transcribes a lotta stuff... stop asking Stratton about freakin' PERTH. That's not even any *glue* left in that bottle.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 9, 2024 3:07:53 GMT -5
I *do* think she's gotta be squarely in the lower echelon of televised wins. Has to be. Definitely a lot closer to the lower half of the division, what people might consider midcard champ contenders than what some might think. I'm sure she leaves Piper in the dust but she, Chelsea, Michin and Candice have to be almost a dead heat. Someone regular puts W-Ls on Twitter, and yeah, what you say is about right. This was before tonight, so another L for Tiffy. 8-13-2 for the year (that includes Fallon), but it's even worse when you consider 5 of those wins were before March 8th and one of those latter 3 wins was a tag match where Nia got the pin. 2024 TV Win-Loss Record of the #SmackDown Women’s Roster (November 4) : Bianca Belair: 22-8** Jade Cargill: 19-5** Naomi: 15-14-2^ Nia Jax: 14-8 Bayley: 12–6-2 Candice LeRae: 10-15*^ Michin: 9-15**^ Chelsea Green: 9-19*** Tiffany Stratton: 8-12-2** Blair Davenport: 5-9** Piper Niven: 2-17*^ Elektra Lopez: 1-5**^ B-Fab: 0-1 I honestly thought it was much worse then that. It feels like she's lost literally every week since MITB and it didn't feel like she was doing much better before that. At this point I think the only thing salvaging it is if she challenges Nia straight up and beats her clean. And even then I don't know. In hindsight they should've had Chelsea win MITB as her character can absorb the usual stupid MITB winner loses all the time crap instead of booking your 25 year old blue chipper like a jobber who loses every match she has. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Nov 9, 2024 5:26:42 GMT -5
Like, I can only think they want her to cash in on a babyface to keep her as a heel (in spite of the fact that the MITB cash ins almost always get a big babyface pop). And I still think we're waiting on Charlotte Flair's return for that. As much as online hates her for winning a lot (go figure, because that's exactly what everyone wants for their faves judging by the content of this thread and all the other stan threads here), she's gonna get a big babyface reaction when she does come back because she's always been presented like a big star, she's been away nearly a full year hurt, and the online hate has rarely carried over to the live crowds anyway except for when she was feuding with Becky Lynch.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Nov 9, 2024 6:44:21 GMT -5
Someone regular puts W-Ls on Twitter, and yeah, what you say is about right. This was before tonight, so another L for Tiffy. 8-13-2 for the year (that includes Fallon), but it's even worse when you consider 5 of those wins were before March 8th and one of those latter 3 wins was a tag match where Nia got the pin. 2024 TV Win-Loss Record of the #SmackDown Women’s Roster (November 4) : Bianca Belair: 22-8** Jade Cargill: 19-5** Naomi: 15-14-2^ Nia Jax: 14-8 Bayley: 12–6-2 Candice LeRae: 10-15*^ Michin: 9-15**^ Chelsea Green: 9-19*** Tiffany Stratton: 8-12-2** Blair Davenport: 5-9** Piper Niven: 2-17*^ Elektra Lopez: 1-5**^ B-Fab: 0-1 I honestly thought it was much worse then that. It feels like she's lost literally every week since MITB and it didn't feel like she was doing much better before that. At this point I think the only thing salvaging it is if she challenges Nia straight up and beats her clean. And even then I don't know. In hindsight they should've had Chelsea win MITB as her character can absorb the usual stupid MITB winner loses all the time crap instead of booking your 25 year old blue chipper like a jobber who loses every match she has. This is her TV record since March 8, which is now over 8 months ago. It is 3-2-10 over her last 15 TV matches. She joined the main roster on Feb 2 and then racked up 5 wins by March 8 (Feb 2, Feb 16, Feb 23, Mar 1, Mar 8), which is papering over the cracks there, but since then has literally only won 3 matches and has only pinned 1 person - she sounded pretty p*ssed off about her lack of hitting her moonsault in a recent interview ('really long time...', and I'm not sure if all is well backstage. They seem to be really going out of their way to make her 'pay her dues', but they are massively hurting one of their best prospects in recent years simultaneously. Smackdown Mar 8 - WON vs Michin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Smackdown Apr 12 - LOST vs Naomi
Smackdown Apr 26 - NO CONTEST vs Naomi Smackdown May 3 - LOST 8 person tag
Backlash May 4 - LOST vs Naomi and Bayley (triple threat)
Smackdown May 17 - LOST vs Bianca
Smackdown Jun 27 - WON MITB Qual vs Candace and Jade MITB PLE Jul 6 - WON MITB Ladder match Smackdown Jul 19 - LOST to Michin
Smackdown Jul 26 - WON tag vs Michin and Bayley (Nia got the pin) Smackdown Sep 6 - LOST vs Bayley
Smackdown Sep 20 - LOST tag vs Naomi and Bayley
Smackdown Oct 4 - LOST vs Naomi
RAW Oct 14 - NO CONTEST tag vs Liv and Raquel Smackdown Nov 1 - LOST vs Liv
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Nov 9, 2024 6:46:50 GMT -5
Someone regular puts W-Ls on Twitter, and yeah, what you say is about right. This was before tonight, so another L for Tiffy. 8-13-2 for the year (that includes Fallon), but it's even worse when you consider 5 of those wins were before March 8th and one of those latter 3 wins was a tag match where Nia got the pin. 2024 TV Win-Loss Record of the #SmackDown Women’s Roster (November 4) : Bianca Belair: 22-8** Jade Cargill: 19-5** Naomi: 15-14-2^ Nia Jax: 14-8 Bayley: 12–6-2 Candice LeRae: 10-15*^ Michin: 9-15**^ Chelsea Green: 9-19*** Tiffany Stratton: 8-12-2** Blair Davenport: 5-9** Piper Niven: 2-17*^ Elektra Lopez: 1-5**^ B-Fab: 0-1 Nice. Not for Tiffy naturally, but thanks!
What did the asterisks mean? Online shows and stuff like that?
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 9, 2024 8:28:54 GMT -5
Like, I can only think they want her to cash in on a babyface to keep her as a heel (in spite of the fact that the MITB cash ins almost always get a big babyface pop). And I still think we're waiting on Charlotte Flair's return for that. As much as online hates her for winning a lot (go figure, because that's exactly what everyone wants for their faves judging by the content of this thread and all the other stan threads here), she's gonna get a big babyface reaction when she does come back because she's always been presented like a big star, she's been away nearly a full year hurt, and the online hate has rarely carried over to the live crowds anyway except for when she was feuding with Becky Lynch. The interesting thing with Charlotte/Becky is that it happened at the same time as the second Mixed Match Challenge, and even while crowds chose Becky no matter how hard they tried to force her being the heel (maybe most unsubtly when they had Becky in disguise to attack Charlotte while she was signing stuff for plant young 'fans'), crowds were also very much still behind Charlotte in her MMC work against other women. |
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Nov 9, 2024 10:05:18 GMT -5
Part of me thinks this booking could be WWE testing the waters and seeing if she is fully committed before potentially pulling the trigger (in a good way). Like, she's only been doing this 3 years, barely saw the product at all until she was like 19, so will have no big Mania memories when she was 8 or 9 like say a Roxanne would, or any inspirations until she saw Charlotte as a late teen. She has signed with Paradigm, she has often talked about wanting to go to Hollywood, and while there have been a few bumps, her booking has largely been very good since appearing on TV. 2022 was fine for a first year, she was booked very strong in the first half of 2023, disappointing title run, but then got the exposure of the Becky feud, headlined a PLE and received rave reviews, a poor final 3 or so months, but she possibly knew she was just putting others over while waiting for the call, and then then her early main roster stuff was great - final 4 in the rumble, part of that iconic camera shot, went 5-0 on Smackdown, was appearing on multiple PLEs, gaining a fanbase, and up until then it was mainly rainbows and butterflies throughout.
She might think, this isn't what I signed up for, and while there isn't many wrestling alternatives and she is still in a far better position than many of the RAW / SD women, she might think screw this, I can't be arsed to lose every week, and constantly feel weak and secondary, losing steam, and I'll try my hand at something else showbizzy, especially with signing up to that aforementioned agency. WWE will obviously want someone fully committed, who knows the score and stuff, and to see how she reacts when things aren't going her own way. There are perhaps a few signs that she's not too happy - like that visibly frustrated 'really long time' thing about the PME, and just little things like 'at least I looked cute' in her penultimate IG story, and while I'm not sure what this fan was expecting and whether he wanted her to hand out milk and cookies after her house show match with Naomi, just little things like this
Tiffany was over in Sheffield. I don’t know if I saw it wrong and am not trying to cause drama, but TS seems to just walk out after losing
It's perhaps not all rosy backstage and this is WWE testing the waters and seeing how she reacts to adversity before possibly pulling the trigger. Obviously some of them house shows, where the heel often loses, but she is an astonishing 1-1-18 in her last 20 matches overall, and that must be a bit of a shock to the system for someone who is often considered a blue chip prospect.
What do you guys think? Something in this theory, or just me being over-analytical, again?
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Nov 9, 2024 11:20:31 GMT -5
I think you're reading too far into it. If there was any smoke there'd be vid captures and observations all over the place. It's a house show. They're not a big deal and someone not crawling to the back after Naomi's non-impact finisher is a nothing burger.
God knows I love poking at the (most) Put-off Moonsault Ever but I don't think she's looking to exit over it.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Nov 9, 2024 11:59:46 GMT -5
I think you're reading too far into it. If there was any smoke there'd be vid captures and observations all over the place. It's a house show. They're not a big deal and someone not crawling to the back after Naomi's non-impact finisher is a nothing burger.
God knows I love poking at the (most) Put-off Moonsault Ever but I don't think she's looking to exit over it.
I wasn't meaning I expect her to leave soon, not at all, although I've said many times, I've always expected her to be done by 30, which is still like 4 and a half years, that was my just thinking and a side story that she's perhaps not quite as upbeat as she was earlier in the year, and if so, that would be somewhat understandable, but I was mainly meaning more from a WWE perspective in purposely booking her weak as a test with the losing record, losing streak, constantly beaten down, always looking at the lights etc. which is very rare for someone who is generally seen as a future star, to see how they react given their clear and obvious non wrestling background and known future aspirations and ambitions. Some can get over later, be better than expected and their booking subsequently change over the years, like an LA Knight, Trish or someone, but the Bianca's, Rhea's, Bron's, Charlotte's etc. people who were always likely to do well, be highly thought of, be pushed, and booked strongly from the off, you don't see m/any of them being 8-13 9 months into their rookie year, and I can't see Roxanne, Trick, Oba etc. like that either when they are called up. There's a lot of signs that she is very highly thought of - 4th in the rumble before officially being called up, multiple early PLEs, on a lot of promotional material now, part of fanatics (albeit as a late replacement), gets her fair share of new merch, and is at least prominent on TV, but her booking this past 6 or 7 months, and not just the 'MITB curse' hasn't exactly screamed 25 year old blue chip prospect who could be the future of the division and I was just wondering if it may be on purpose to see how she reacts to adversity. Probably still me looking into it too much and from their POV it's just typical MITB where they think she can afford to lose a lot (although Preist somehow managed to go 22-5 and 6-1 on TV during his time with the case...), but I was just throwing a theory out there (no pun intended). |
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 9, 2024 13:55:35 GMT -5
Like, I can only think they want her to cash in on a babyface to keep her as a heel (in spite of the fact that the MITB cash ins almost always get a big babyface pop). And I still think we're waiting on Charlotte Flair's return for that. As much as online hates her for winning a lot (go figure, because that's exactly what everyone wants for their faves judging by the content of this thread and all the other stan threads here), she's gonna get a big babyface reaction when she does come back because she's always been presented like a big star, she's been away nearly a full year hurt, and the online hate has rarely carried over to the live crowds anyway except for when she was feuding with Becky Lynch. Well that’s another problem. If you want to do Charlotte vs. Tiffany, fine cool. But then you should be working even HARDER to make Tiff look credible. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 9, 2024 14:29:24 GMT -5
I think you're reading too far into it. If there was any smoke there'd be vid captures and observations all over the place. It's a house show. They're not a big deal and someone not crawling to the back after Naomi's non-impact finisher is a nothing burger.
God knows I love poking at the (most) Put-off Moonsault Ever but I don't think she's looking to exit over it.
I wasn't meaning I expect her to leave soon, not at all, although I've said many times, I've always expected her to be done by 30, which is still like 4 and a half years, that was my just thinking and a side story that she's perhaps not quite as upbeat as she was earlier in the year, and if so, that would be somewhat understandable, but I was mainly meaning more from a WWE perspective in purposely booking her weak as a test with the losing record, losing streak, constantly beaten down, always looking at the lights etc. which is very rare for someone who is generally seen as a future star, to see how they react given their clear and obvious non wrestling background and known future aspirations and ambitions. Some can get over later, be better than expected and their booking subsequently change over the years, like an LA Knight, Trish or someone, but the Bianca's, Rhea's, Bron's, Charlotte's etc. people who were always likely to do well, be highly thought of, be pushed, and booked strongly from the off, you don't see m/any of them being 8-13 9 months into their rookie year, and I can't see Roxanne, Trick, Oba etc. like that either when they are called up. There's a lot of signs that she is very highly thought of - 4th in the rumble before officially being called up, multiple early PLEs, on a lot of promotional material now, part of fanatics (albeit as a late replacement), gets her fair share of new merch, and is at least prominent on TV, but her booking this past 6 or 7 months, and not just the 'MITB curse' hasn't exactly screamed 25 year old blue chip prospect who could be the future of the division and I was just wondering if it may be on purpose to see how she reacts to adversity. Probably still me looking into it too much and from their POV it's just typical MITB where they think she can afford to lose a lot (although Preist somehow managed to go 22-5 and 6-1 on TV during his time with the case...), but I was just throwing a theory out there (no pun intended).
Hmm, Rhea actually got booked pretty weakly from around August 2021-February 2022, including a 50-second pinfall loss to Zelina, even if it was presented as Nikki A.S.H's fault.
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