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Post by Cyno on Mar 1, 2024 16:43:19 GMT -5
Not a good week for the Big Two Mexican promotions. Though CMLL's f***up is a lot worse than AAA's/Konnan's. Like Konnan's is stubbing a toe while CMLL's is like shooting a gun at it. It occurs to me that CMLL can probably get away with a lot more bullshit if nobody really wants to work with Konnan in AAA. When CMLL's bullshit prevents several of their wrestlers from working in the United States for God knows how long, maybe not as much lol.
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 1, 2024 16:51:59 GMT -5
AEW Stars who are Champions in other promotions :
Eddie Kingston - NJPW Strong Champion. Daniel Garcia - PWG Champion. Sky Blue - Warrior Wrestling Women's Champion.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 1, 2024 17:30:42 GMT -5
It occurs to me that CMLL can probably get away with a lot more bullshit if nobody really wants to work with Konnan in AAA. When CMLL's bullshit prevents several of their wrestlers from working in the United States for God knows how long, maybe not as much lol. You'd think, but it kind of creates a "Where else you gonna go?" situation for talent who primarily want to continue basing themselves in Mexico and not move to the US full-time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 1, 2024 17:38:20 GMT -5
Not when Orange Cassidy is in Revpro one week and Baka Gaijin + friends the next
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 1, 2024 18:03:18 GMT -5
It occurs to me that CMLL can probably get away with a lot more bullshit if nobody really wants to work with Konnan in AAA. When CMLL's bullshit prevents several of their wrestlers from working in the United States for God knows how long, maybe not as much lol. Both lucha promotions have huge issues and it's sort of a pick your poison on it. For a lot of them, it's just down to which promotion f***ed them less, the turnover and the walkouts of even big acts at times flows both ways, it's just a mess.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Mar 1, 2024 18:54:32 GMT -5
I'm not going to defend it OR attack it, but it seems like Tony Khan is pulling an 80's Vince a lot of times. "I can afford to pay your talent a hell of a lot more than you can, so you can either partner with me and I'll send some names down to Mexico/Japan/GCW/Wherever, or I can just snap your top guys up as soon as their contracts are done" Although I guess he's pulling more of a Vince Sr, because I've heard Sr would make it known to the territories who he wanted, and the smart ones would graciously let their talent go after honoring their bookings because Vince Sr would often send Andre down to work some shots for them. Definitely feels like more of a Vince Sr kind of thing. He's not doing crazy pillage things, but he is building those relationships and making big plays for talent he feels are worth the jump, and bringing in paydays for guys in the meantime, while sending off talent when asked to other promotions. When the AAA deal (and Kenny) was healthy, they were getting Kenny whenever they wanted. Co-promoted shows help a lot too, I think, in it not feeling so one-sided. Vince Jr used any deal he cut with a promotion to ultimately consume and render obsolete anyone foolish enough to do business with him, Sr respected the ecosystem enough to know how to play ball and not call every shot. If the AAA deal is going south, it's likely due to Konnan's behavior more than Tony tightening up his grip, for instance. Plus - talent talk. Even if AAA pulls out of their relationship with AEW entirely, everyone who's gotten an AEW payday in AAA is gonna tell anyone who'll listen that they made a hell of a lot more money working for the "other guy". Tony Khan gave other talents a glimpse of what he can offer them, and while it may not be what everyone wants, he'll get a lot of names in the future based solely on being "the good guy"
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 2, 2024 11:11:57 GMT -5
Two things.
1) Konnan isn’t the only problem in AAA. The owner is the delulu money mark people think Tony Khan is. With that, and how much AAA caters to old acts, and you can see why their young non-Vikingo prospects want to go to the US or Japan so badly:
2) Not sure the legality of it all, but if need be, I’m pretty sure Tony could fix that immigration issue CMLL screwed up on.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 2, 2024 11:29:14 GMT -5
Two things. 1) Konnan isn’t the only problem in AAA. The owner is the delulu money mark people think Tony Khan is. With that, and how much AAA caters to old acts, and you can see why their young non-Vikingo prospects want to go to the US or Japan so badly: 2) Not sure the legality of it all, but if need be, I’m pretty sure Tony could fix that immigration issue CMLL screwed up on. The big issue with the visas is that the fact they're being revoked means it'll start the clock fresh on any new sponsored visas, and there's some steep costs to expedite that process. But if Tony wants to, he can take the lead on that for sure. It's just going to be a while probably, outside of maybe some people Tony wants stateside ASAP. It's just really shitty in the meantime, because the visas they do have being revoked is oging to cut off bookings for a lot of wrestlers, and anyone booked for Mania weekend has to drop out now because nothing is gonna move that fast even if Tony opens up the pocketbook
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 2, 2024 11:38:12 GMT -5
Two things. 1) Konnan isn’t the only problem in AAA. The owner is the delulu money mark people think Tony Khan is. With that, and how much AAA caters to old acts, and you can see why their young non-Vikingo prospects want to go to the US or Japan so badly: 2) Not sure the legality of it all, but if need be, I’m pretty sure Tony could fix that immigration issue CMLL screwed up on. The big issue with the visas is that the fact they're being revoked means it'll start the clock fresh on any new sponsored visas, and there's some steep costs to expedite that process. But if Tony wants to, he can take the lead on that for sure. It's just going to be a while probably, outside of maybe some people Tony wants stateside ASAP. It's just really shitty in the meantime, because the visas they do have being revoked is oging to cut off bookings for a lot of wrestlers, and anyone booked for Mania weekend has to drop out now because nothing is gonna move that fast even if Tony opens up the pocketbook RUSH just had Tony personally re-do his, so Tony's definitely willing to do it to get who he wants.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 2, 2024 11:40:04 GMT -5
The big issue with the visas is that the fact they're being revoked means it'll start the clock fresh on any new sponsored visas, and there's some steep costs to expedite that process. But if Tony wants to, he can take the lead on that for sure. It's just going to be a while probably, outside of maybe some people Tony wants stateside ASAP. It's just really shitty in the meantime, because the visas they do have being revoked is oging to cut off bookings for a lot of wrestlers, and anyone booked for Mania weekend has to drop out now because nothing is gonna move that fast even if Tony opens up the pocketbook RUSH just had Tony personally re-do his, so Tony's definitely willing to do it to get who he wants. RUSH is under AEW contract so Tony sort of had to, but Tony does al ot of stuff that scores good guy points in how he deals with talent and this'd be a pretty simple one. Especially since if he wants to keep working with CMLL he sort of has to, there's no other option for him if the roster is barred from working in the US
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 2, 2024 11:58:55 GMT -5
RUSH just had Tony personally re-do his, so Tony's definitely willing to do it to get who he wants. RUSH is under AEW contract so Tony sort of had to, but Tony does al ot of stuff that scores good guy points in how he deals with talent and this'd be a pretty simple one. Especially since if he wants to keep working with CMLL he sort of has to, there's no other option for him if the roster is barred from working in the US In this case, it's sort of tantamount to a declaration of intent. Looks good, sure, but also lets luchadors know he's willing to do the work and isn't just flattering them if he throws them a few bookings.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 2, 2024 12:41:40 GMT -5
RUSH is under AEW contract so Tony sort of had to, but Tony does al ot of stuff that scores good guy points in how he deals with talent and this'd be a pretty simple one. Especially since if he wants to keep working with CMLL he sort of has to, there's no other option for him if the roster is barred from working in the US In this case, it's sort of tantamount to a declaration of intent. Looks good, sure, but also lets luchadors know he's willing to do the work and isn't just flattering them if he throws them a few bookings. A visa would also, unless Tony puts restrictions onto them, re-enable them to work indies again. Tony doesn't really put those limits on a lot of guys, he's cool with people taking indie dates as long as they're still available for him, and they would be able to collect stateside paydays again, work Texas, let those in the orbit of GCW get those bookings back. It's big, and definitely serves as a huge message to anyone he does that for.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 2, 2024 23:17:58 GMT -5
In this case, it's sort of tantamount to a declaration of intent. Looks good, sure, but also lets luchadors know he's willing to do the work and isn't just flattering them if he throws them a few bookings. A visa would also, unless Tony puts restrictions onto them, re-enable them to work indies again. Tony doesn't really put those limits on a lot of guys, he's cool with people taking indie dates as long as they're still available for him, and they would be able to collect stateside paydays again, work Texas, let those in the orbit of GCW get those bookings back. It's big, and definitely serves as a huge message to anyone he does that for. Right. If he can do it, it benefits a lot of people, which in turn benefits him because it makes it clear he wants to be easy to work with.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 14, 2024 6:00:22 GMT -5
Apparently there are reports of STARDOM and CMLL being officially involved in Forbidden Door III, which I think is a great idea given how so many massive New Japan stars are part of AEW now, so you kinda need to bolster up the invitational opponent side of things.
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 14, 2024 7:39:53 GMT -5
Talent from AEW, CMLL, New Japan, and STARDOM all on the same show?
Thank you, Tony Khan.
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Post by SneakMan on Mar 14, 2024 7:45:59 GMT -5
Okay so I've only seen a handful of STARDOM matches and am not totally familiar with all the political shit, but it can't be a coincidence that like a month after Rossy jumps to WWE, STARDOM starts working with AEW (even if just for one show), right?
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 14, 2024 8:16:51 GMT -5
Okay so I've only seen a handful of STARDOM matches and am not totally familiar with all the political shit, but it can't be a coincidence that like a month after Rossy jumps to WWE, STARDOM starts working with AEW (even if just for one show), right? Absolutely not. There are two scapegoats right now: Rossy and the previous Bushiroad guy. And Rossy actually has a track record of allowing people to do foreign bookings (very few, but still).
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 18, 2024 8:32:43 GMT -5
Parker Bourdreaux made his AAA debut last night attacking Octogon Jr and Mecha Wolf
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 18, 2024 8:47:08 GMT -5
Parker Bourdreaux made his AAA debut last night attacking Octogon Jr and Mecha Wolf I know he's not as old as I keep thinking he is, but it keeps shocking me that Mecha Wolf (aka Mr. 450, aka Jesus De Leon, aka John Yurnet) is still getting work. Every damned time I've seen him on US TV, he's just so awful. I remember him having a match on 205 Live where he spent the whole time dragging his foot behind him like his leg was broken.
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 18, 2024 9:09:21 GMT -5
Any chance of RevPro UK talent appearing at Forbidden Door 3?
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