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Post by darbus alan on Feb 16, 2024 12:46:20 GMT -5
It will certainly be a better match from an in-ring standpoint. But everything else about Hogan vs Andre can't be matched. That was a once in a lifetime thing.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 16, 2024 14:00:04 GMT -5
I’m interested in older fans opinions here, I wasn’t around in 87, but I understand the significance of Hogan/Andre. Having said that I still feel like Austin/Rock II at mania X7 is the biggest match WWE ever did on paper. How do they compare and which one was bigger?
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 16, 2024 14:15:30 GMT -5
I’m interested in older fans opinions here, I wasn’t around in 87, but I understand the significance of Hogan/Andre. Having said that I still feel like Austin/Rock II at mania X7 is the biggest match WWE ever did on paper. How do they compare and which one was bigger? I was only 13 at the time, but Rock and Austin felt big in a totally different way than Roman-Cody. Rock and Austin was more about two huge megastars still in their prime battling it out in the main event of the biggest shows. The story surrounding it was not great (and was downright bad in the early part of the build with Debra), but it definitely felt like a huge deal going into the match with the promos and My Way video packages. Obviously the ending fell flat for a lot of people with the Austin heel turn, but it felt like a huge deal going in. Roman-Cody is a big deal because of Cody getting his crowning moment, and also ending Roman’s semi-historic reign more than it is because two icons are clashing like with Rock/Austin. We’re still in the early part of the lead up to Mania so I think it’s to be determined how big the match feels going in.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Feb 16, 2024 14:23:24 GMT -5
they'll be lucky if they even do better than last year's match, that was an incredible match besides the finish
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Post by fw91 on Feb 16, 2024 14:35:27 GMT -5
I’m interested in older fans opinions here, I wasn’t around in 87, but I understand the significance of Hogan/Andre. Having said that I still feel like Austin/Rock II at mania X7 is the biggest match WWE ever did on paper. How do they compare and which one was bigger? I was only 13 at the time, but Rock and Austin felt big in a totally different way than Roman-Cody. Rock and Austin was more about two huge megastars still in their prime battling it out in the main event of the biggest shows. The story surrounding it was not great (and was downright bad in the early part of the build with Debra), but it definitely felt like a huge deal going into the match with the promos and My Way video packages. Obviously the ending fell flat for a lot of people with the Austin heel turn, but it felt like a huge deal going in. Roman-Cody is a big deal because of Cody getting his crowning moment, and also ending Roman’s semi-historic reign more than it is because two icons are clashing like with Rock/Austin. We’re still in the early part of the lead up to Mania so I think it’s to be determined how big the match feels going in. I meant comparing Rock/Austin to Andre/Hogan. But yeah the story for Cody/Roman is a lot better than Rock/Austin
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 16, 2024 14:46:35 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't even put Hogan / Andre in my top 20. Then, you probably weren't a wrestling fan in 1987. Cody vs. Roman has a top 10 chance. It will be more like Daniel Byran when he won. I mean, I wasn't even born yet, but understanding the historical significance of Hogan / Andre doesn't mean I give a shit about it.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 16, 2024 14:52:28 GMT -5
No, imo Rock/Austin II at mania X-Seven is the pinnacle of big time wrestlemania main events that can't be matched. 1 vs 1A megastar in a time when WWF was mainstream hotshit. It was so big they could theoretically repeat it as the main event for night 1 this year and even now it would overshadow Roman vs Cody.
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Post by Woo on Feb 16, 2024 14:55:20 GMT -5
I'd say Savage vs Hogan, Hogan vs Warrior, Michaels vs Austin, Rock vs Austin (X7), HHH vs Michaels vs Benoit, Michaels vs Undertaker and Orton vs Batista vs Bryan are all bigger matches.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 16, 2024 15:56:57 GMT -5
I've searched through old newspapers quite a bit over the years, both for podcast/radio projects and my own curiosity, and in terms of mainstream press, the first five Wrestlemanias really were in a class by themselves. The results were carried on the front page of the sports section in many papers around the country. Hogan's fame and notoriety in the 80s was in the same realm as many heavyweight boxing champions. Mainstream press seemed to fall off pretty hard after 1989 though, even for Hogan's stuff. The Attitude Era definitely got coverage, but it was often covered by entertainment news similar to Jerry Springer and stuff like that.
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Post by HIM on Feb 16, 2024 16:11:34 GMT -5
It's got potential. All we need to see is if it lives up to it.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 16, 2024 16:45:44 GMT -5
It will certainly be a better match from an in-ring standpoint. But everything else about Hogan vs Andre can't be matched. That was a once in a lifetime thing. I re watched it yesterday. It's a better match than I remembered. It's actually pretty good. Falls apart near the end when Andre kind of botches a big boot and then the stuff outside the ring but otherwise it was pretty decent.
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Post by krozor on Feb 17, 2024 10:10:28 GMT -5
I’m interested in older fans opinions here, I wasn’t around in 87, but I understand the significance of Hogan/Andre. Having said that I still feel like Austin/Rock II at mania X7 is the biggest match WWE ever did on paper. How do they compare and which one was bigger? Watched each weekly as they happened growing up. Hogan/Andre was bigger. It was a real culmination of what they'd been building to and hoping to create with the Rock 'n Wrestling stuff. The previous thorns in Hogan's side tying in differently - Heenan corrupting Andre and finally getting his guy who could destroy Hogan, Piper finally developing a quiet respect for Hogan and reaching out to help him when the big betrayal came, helping sell that Hogan was simultaneously heartbroken and terrified and at a personal low - and working in various other angles like the Machines that seemed like they could have just been filler. Piper going from Hogan's nemesis to being the guy who had to relight the fire in Hogan to take on the Andre match is big wrestling magic, as good as this stuff gets. And they'd effectively managed to create the idea for fans that "unbeaten in 15 years" Andre was completely, fully unstoppable. There wasn't a formula yet, and Andre turning and immediately managing to go from "gentle giant" to terrifying monster in about 30 seconds had people fully ready to believe that Hogan could absolutely lose, and they sold it hard on that. That, I think, is the biggest thing. Hogan was clearly the man, he was the big burly hero for kids, but he doesn't get that truly invincible aura until he beats Andre. They did an amazing job of fully transferring all of Andre's heat and power and mystique onto Hogan, the ideal passing of the torch, and still do it in a way that didn't hurt Andre at all and let them make a ton of money in rematches and the follow-up that directly set up the next two WM main events and created the backdrop for a third with Hogan/Warrior as the mirror of Hogan/Andre. It made Hogan, it made Wrestlemania, it made the company. In defense of Rock/Austin II, the sit-down interview at the end that kind of saved the build and angle is maybe career work from two of the greatest of all time - just get out of the way and let them work, and the way it became clear in retrospect that Austin's setting up the heel turn is so great. And the "My Way" package is straight up the best promo package they've ever done. But Hogan/Andre is THE MOMENT that made an era and everything after it and felt like it, whereas Rock/Austin II isn't quite that, and I think I'd argue that while it wasn't a main event, Austin/Hart is the closer fit to Hogan/Andre as something truly transcendent that felt like something had changed forever the way things did at Wrestlemania III.
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 17, 2024 10:15:34 GMT -5
Oh gods I’m sorry but I f***ing cackled when I read that thread title.
No. I’m a Cody fan but no. This is the epitome of recency bias.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 17, 2024 10:28:19 GMT -5
Oh gods I’m sorry but I f***ing cackled when I read that thread title. No. I’m a Cody fan but no. This is the epitome of recency bias. Or it’s historical bias to think anything happening now couldn’t have such a lasting impact! I mostly kid but I guess it also depends on what is meant by “greatest.”
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Post by SneakMan on Feb 17, 2024 10:37:07 GMT -5
Or it’s historical bias to think anything happening now couldn’t have such a lasting impact! I mostly kid but I guess it also depends on what is meant by “greatest.” Yeah “greatest” is a very nebulous term. When I think of “greatest Mania main event” my thoughts go to either match quality or impact on business. Cody/Roman II will likely be a be another Roman Reigns Main Event Match at a time when WWE making more money than they ever have is completely independent of what’s happening on screen (look at how they kept getting more and more money during the nadir of the Vince years).
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