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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 19, 2024 18:58:16 GMT -5
I'm surprised he's still going given that in the mid '10s he seemed like there were enough health problems already piling on from his style to send him to an early retirement. I haven't kept up with him as a human enough to know if that's cleared up but I remember like eight years ago even there were some major injuries that made him seem not long for this world, I'm actually a little surprised the factor being considered is only "If he keeps out of trouble as the stupid dumbass idiot he is" because he was kind of strong style Darby Allin before we had Darby Allin.
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 19, 2024 19:56:11 GMT -5
Who said "You're the dumbest person I know, and I know Ospreay" on Twitter that time? Was it Dave Finlay? Correct!
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Post by MachoManGodzilla on Mar 19, 2024 20:48:19 GMT -5
I think if he can avoid issues outside the ring and injuries he'll be the face of the company. He's the best in ring worker in the world, arguably the best ever when you look at the sheer consistency and regularity with which he delivers some of the best matches you've ever seen, is already mega over in AEW and is a more than solid promo these days, with some being legitimately excellent like the one with Jericho before All In and his one at Big Business, has a fantastic entrance and looks like a star when he comes out plus his whole 'Bruv' thing seems to have really caught on in the States already and AEW's biggest event takes place in his home country so there's scope for amazing moments there. It's all there for him. Best ever? HOW? Don't let star ratings and YouTube comments cloud your mind. Oz will be a footnote in wrestling history. And I'm a fan of his.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2024 20:50:59 GMT -5
I think if he can avoid issues outside the ring and injuries he'll be the face of the company. He's the best in ring worker in the world, arguably the best ever when you look at the sheer consistency and regularity with which he delivers some of the best matches you've ever seen, is already mega over in AEW and is a more than solid promo these days, with some being legitimately excellent like the one with Jericho before All In and his one at Big Business, has a fantastic entrance and looks like a star when he comes out plus his whole 'Bruv' thing seems to have really caught on in the States already and AEW's biggest event takes place in his home country so there's scope for amazing moments there. It's all there for him. Best ever? HOW? Don't let star ratings and YouTube comments cloud your mind. Oz will be a footnote in wrestling history. And I'm a fan of his. He gets that praise and those ratings for a reason, if he stays healthy he's legit, and I don't really know why that's even a debate, he just has the stage to showcase it further now, and he would have done it in WWE if AEW wasn't here. I'm not calling him the BEST EVER either, but that's no need to go the complete opposite and end and call him a "Footnote", I don't think either of these statements are true.
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Post by MachoManGodzilla on Mar 19, 2024 20:53:38 GMT -5
Best ever? HOW? Don't let star ratings and YouTube comments cloud your mind. Oz will be a footnote in wrestling history. And I'm a fan of his. Dude's one of the most complete pro wrestlers in the last 20 years and you're saying he'll be a footnote because you loathe Youtube Comments who say he's good? He gets that praise and those ratings for a reason, if he stays healthy he's legit, and I don't really know why that's even a debate, he just has the stage to showcase it further now, and he would have done it in WWE if AEW wasn't here. He's great. I like him. I love the Hidden Blade as a finish. But I don't think he's gonna be "all time great" level. That's not a knock on him BTW. Plenty of amazing wrestlers have amounted to less.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 19, 2024 20:56:27 GMT -5
Dude's probably the absolute best in-ring guy in the entire world right now. Could be the top guy with the top belt tomorrow if they wanted to do it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2024 21:06:55 GMT -5
Dude's one of the most complete pro wrestlers in the last 20 years and you're saying he'll be a footnote because you loathe Youtube Comments who say he's good? He gets that praise and those ratings for a reason, if he stays healthy he's legit, and I don't really know why that's even a debate, he just has the stage to showcase it further now, and he would have done it in WWE if AEW wasn't here. He's great. I like him. I love the Hidden Blade as a finish. But I don't think he's gonna be "all time great" level. That's not a knock on him BTW. Plenty of amazing wrestlers have amounted to less. I did edit my comment to say I don't think he's the BEST EVER because that's so subjective it's a can of worms but I do think he could be one of the best wrestlers of the modern decades, and that'd be fairer imo He could end up being a safe Top 20-30 all time, IF he stays healthy and all good.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Mar 19, 2024 21:28:38 GMT -5
It's a-bruv his head.
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Post by KME on Mar 19, 2024 21:42:15 GMT -5
I think if he can avoid issues outside the ring and injuries he'll be the face of the company. He's the best in ring worker in the world, arguably the best ever when you look at the sheer consistency and regularity with which he delivers some of the best matches you've ever seen, is already mega over in AEW and is a more than solid promo these days, with some being legitimately excellent like the one with Jericho before All In and his one at Big Business, has a fantastic entrance and looks like a star when he comes out plus his whole 'Bruv' thing seems to have really caught on in the States already and AEW's biggest event takes place in his home country so there's scope for amazing moments there. It's all there for him. Best ever? HOW? Don't let star ratings and YouTube comments cloud your mind. Oz will be a footnote in wrestling history. And I'm a fan of his. You couldn't pay me to read YouTube comments most of the time, generally speaking I care very little about what anybody thinks about anything, I'm just going on what I've seen with my own two eyes. Ospreay's on a different level to anyone else right now in ring at a time when ring work is potentially at an all time high, to stand out above others right now when so many are at least great in the ring takes some doing. I think he's in the conversation because I haven't watched anybody that I'd say was clearly better, those with a better body of work all have years on him. I don't think he will but also don't really care if he ends up a footnote to some, guys like Hogan are the complete opposite, he'll be remembered forever, and he absolutely f***ing sucked.
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Post by MachoManGodzilla on Mar 19, 2024 21:50:00 GMT -5
Best ever? HOW? Don't let star ratings and YouTube comments cloud your mind. Oz will be a footnote in wrestling history. And I'm a fan of his. You couldn't pay me to read YouTube comments most of the time, generally speaking I care very little about what anybody thinks about anything, I'm just going on what I've seen with my own two eyes. Ospreay's on a different level to anyone else right now in ring at a time when ring work is potentially at an all time high, to stand out above others right now when so many are at least great in the ring takes some doing. I think he's in the conversation because I haven't watched anybody that I'd say was clearly better, those with a better body of work all have years on him. I don't think he will but also don't really care if he ends up a footnote to some, guys like Hogan are the complete opposite, he'll be remembered forever, and he absolutely f***ing sucked. If you think Hulk Hogan sucked in ring, then you don't really understand pro wrestling IMO.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2024 21:58:19 GMT -5
You couldn't pay me to read YouTube comments most of the time, generally speaking I care very little about what anybody thinks about anything, I'm just going on what I've seen with my own two eyes. Ospreay's on a different level to anyone else right now in ring at a time when ring work is potentially at an all time high, to stand out above others right now when so many are at least great in the ring takes some doing. I think he's in the conversation because I haven't watched anybody that I'd say was clearly better, those with a better body of work all have years on him. I don't think he will but also don't really care if he ends up a footnote to some, guys like Hogan are the complete opposite, he'll be remembered forever, and he absolutely f***ing sucked. If you think Hulk Hogan sucked in ring, then you don't really understand pro wrestling IMO. Hogan really didn't have to do much, he was so over he did what the crowd wanted and that's all he NEEDED to do If you watch Hogan's New Japan work it proved he could in fact go more in ring than he did in the states, he was really good at in ring psychology and knew what to do with what crowds
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Post by KME on Mar 19, 2024 22:12:22 GMT -5
You couldn't pay me to read YouTube comments most of the time, generally speaking I care very little about what anybody thinks about anything, I'm just going on what I've seen with my own two eyes. Ospreay's on a different level to anyone else right now in ring at a time when ring work is potentially at an all time high, to stand out above others right now when so many are at least great in the ring takes some doing. I think he's in the conversation because I haven't watched anybody that I'd say was clearly better, those with a better body of work all have years on him. I don't think he will but also don't really care if he ends up a footnote to some, guys like Hogan are the complete opposite, he'll be remembered forever, and he absolutely f***ing sucked. If you think Hulk Hogan sucked in ring, then you don't really understand pro wrestling IMO. I thought you'd say something like that. I think the complete opposite and think if Hogan's wrestling really does something for you then you're incredibly easily pleased to put it politely. Something being popular doesn't mean it wasn't absolute dirt. He didn't tell an incredible, nuanced story in ring to make up for how shit his matches were, he ran a simple routine and did it for f***ing ever, it was as simple a story as you could possibly tell, and I'm sure some will say that's the beauty of it, but his matches, gimmicks, promos and general flag shagging do absolutely nothing for me and don't represent what I would ever want wrestling to be. Hogan represents a very, very basic part of wrestling, get the crowd involved and send them home happy, I just prefer matches to be more than that and infinitely prefer wrestling as it's evolved compared to what it was in Hogan's day, I prefer matches to be something more than a few unimpressive, unathletic, weak looking moves that always follow the same routine, I prefer to see things that actually elicit a reaction out of me, and outside of the slam on Andre I can't think of anything Hogan ever did in a ring that would get a rewatch, while athleticism and creativity do more for me than fighting terrorism in slow motion or whatever the f*** Hogan's schtick was. He sucked in ring (in the states, no idea if he was actually any good in Japan) and has aged like milk, what he was was a great showman and a smart guy, despite the fact he's seemingly never said anything intelligent in his life. But he's smart in the way Kevin Nash was smart and Nash did nothing for me either. I don't see wrestling as whoever gets children most excited and makes the most money and sells the most merch = best wrestler and I'm sure plenty of others are the same, the huge amounts of people that tuned out of WWE as it got more and more niche while they ran back the Hogan routine with John Cena attests to that.
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Post by Perd on Mar 19, 2024 22:13:30 GMT -5
I didn’t know he’s only 30. I knew I wasn’t exactly discovering fire by saying Will Ospreay is pretty good. But just in my limited exposure, the man just seems like he could be special. And I guess most would agree.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Mar 20, 2024 2:09:35 GMT -5
Obligatory post in which I express my disgust with the popularity of Will "Rapist's Accessory" Ospreay in a Will Ospreay thread.
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Post by clifford on Mar 20, 2024 5:57:00 GMT -5
My stance on Will Ospreay is that if he is intent on having the type of match he's had with Takeahita and Fletcher every single time he steps in the ring in AEW, by the end of the summer crowds and fan reaction in general will have massively cooled on him sheerly through diminishing returns.
You can't go out and do the high octane, super reversal, huge spots, spam kickouts and near falls every single week and expect people to react just as much for it. It's worked so far for him cause he was appearing only a handful of times a year for AEW. Now he's doing it every week.
As someone who watched NJPW religiously from 2018 to the middle of last year, man, that shit gets old. Real old. I can't tell you the amount of Ospreay matches people have raved about the last two years and I've just gone 'eh, it's fine'. He doesn't elicit any emotion in me outside of 'oh he's a really good athlete'.
And I think that caps him in a way it doesn't cap a lot of the top guys/future top guys in AEW.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 20, 2024 6:20:36 GMT -5
His Twitter account.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 20, 2024 7:43:01 GMT -5
There's no ceiling, he could become the GOAT. All those legends moaning the youngsters don't listen can actually teach him things he'll use to get even better.
However he's already racked up the wear on his body, has had to quit indies etc. The window to do his best work is likely to be quite small so he probably won't make it that high.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 20, 2024 12:06:48 GMT -5
One of the best. One of the biggest. If he stays healthy.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 20, 2024 14:35:23 GMT -5
My stance on Will Ospreay is that if he is intent on having the type of match he's had with Takeahita and Fletcher every single time he steps in the ring in AEW, by the end of the summer crowds and fan reaction in general will have massively cooled on him sheerly through diminishing returns. You can't go out and do the high octane, super reversal, huge spots, spam kickouts and near falls every single week and expect people to react just as much for it. It's worked so far for him cause he was appearing only a handful of times a year for AEW. Now he's doing it every week. As someone who watched NJPW religiously from 2018 to the middle of last year, man, that shit gets old. Real old. I can't tell you the amount of Ospreay matches people have raved about the last two years and I've just gone 'eh, it's fine'. He doesn't elicit any emotion in me outside of 'oh he's a really good athlete'. And I think that caps him in a way it doesn't cap a lot of the top guys/future top guys in AEW. One thing Kenny had going for him big time is that he would work a lot more mid-tier Kenny matches. You'd see him go in against guys like Jack Evans or Joey Janela, and he'd have by all accounts a good match, but not a big Kenny Omega Epic Match. He'd get his stuff in and look amazing having just a good TV sprint with a talented dance partner, but he spared the "Kenny Omega matches" for when they seemed warranted, instead of making everything an epic clash, which is why Kenny's actual epic clashes got to stand out more. Ospreay's proven he can work a huge match but he really needs to prove he can work a normal-ass AEW TV match, and it's not even an issue of needing to establish him as a super talented guy because a super talented guy has no excuse to not look great by just actually winning a normal-ass match.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 20, 2024 15:14:25 GMT -5
My stance on Will Ospreay is that if he is intent on having the type of match he's had with Takeahita and Fletcher every single time he steps in the ring in AEW, by the end of the summer crowds and fan reaction in general will have massively cooled on him sheerly through diminishing returns. You can't go out and do the high octane, super reversal, huge spots, spam kickouts and near falls every single week and expect people to react just as much for it. It's worked so far for him cause he was appearing only a handful of times a year for AEW. Now he's doing it every week. As someone who watched NJPW religiously from 2018 to the middle of last year, man, that shit gets old. Real old. I can't tell you the amount of Ospreay matches people have raved about the last two years and I've just gone 'eh, it's fine'. He doesn't elicit any emotion in me outside of 'oh he's a really good athlete'. And I think that caps him in a way it doesn't cap a lot of the top guys/future top guys in AEW. Takeshita was hyped as a big match, it was technically his debut match. And as much I dont think it was deserving ,Fletcher is Ospreay friend so I can see they wanting to put out the best match possible. I do agree that having this kinda of match every time isnt sustainable but I wont say thats the intention already. but then again, I only watched Ospreay in AEW
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