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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 3, 2024 1:25:06 GMT -5
Yeah thats where I'm at with this. It makes no sense to cut the lower lower guys while keeping dudes who don't want to be here. It makes little to no sense. Especially Anthony Henry. I wonder if there's a kickback to their deals if they're cut early or without proper cause, and maybe they even know that Idk might not be but it could be an incentive to not release certain talents early or "give them what they want" when they bitch and moan. But at some point you shouldn't hold a guy there that doesn't want to be there though. That'll fester into the rest of the locker room. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2024 1:36:06 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a kickback to their deals if they're cut early or without proper cause, and maybe they even know that Idk might not be but it could be an incentive to not release certain talents early or "give them what they want" when they bitch and moan. But at some point you shouldn't hold a guy there that doesn't want to be there though. That'll fester into the rest of the locker room. I agree, it all depends on how everything factors in Like we know about Miro, his situation's only worsened due to injuries and personal stuff, but there are disgruntled employees reportedly like Malakai who seem to be willing to wrestle until their deals are done regardless, so I'm gonna say it depends on what kind of stink they're stirring, like Andrade, they seemed to let him go early. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 3, 2024 3:42:48 GMT -5
Like, before all this happened, I said that if you get rid of people who don’t want to be there, you set a precedent of having to get rid of anyone for any grievance for any reason because you let this one guy go. I still stand by that but it gets muddier now all of this is going on.
My point before also goes for workers who sign them. If you aren’t satisfied or aren’t sure about something, don’t sign for 3-5 years. The contract should be binding for both sides. For as much as Miro and others would be better off going, they signed that contract. Heck, Miro signed a new contract not long ago. It’s hard to sympathize with their grievances when they’re sure they can be signed by WWE at a moment’s notice.
EDIT: I'll clarify, if there is a genuine issue like mental health like with AQA and Kylie Rae or something along those lines, yeah, give them their release. That doesn't feel as worth it to keep on for on actual good reason. I'm more talking about the Miros of the world that can't play ball for some reason.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 3, 2024 5:40:09 GMT -5
If Tony released Miro, for example, the idea that he'd then be bound to release anyone else with a grievance... why? It's his money, his company. He can do whatever he wants.
Who knows how certain people's contracts are worded, maybe he'd have to pay Miro's up. Likely it's just colliding ego's. But there is no legal precedent being set either way and morally well, look at this thread.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 3, 2024 5:42:32 GMT -5
I don't think wrestling is a good industry for five year contracts. I don't think it's a good industry even for three year contracts. Too much can change with individuals, companies, and the industry at large.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2024 5:50:28 GMT -5
I don't think wrestling is a good industry for five year contracts. I don't think it's a good industry even for three year contracts. Too much can change with individuals, companies, and the industry at large. Wasn't it The Good Brothers who revealed WWE never actually signs people to a long term deal? It's all flavor text and the deals are actually three month deals that have a rollover period where people can be cut Now this was a few years ago in their last run, so things could have changed with new people coming in and the merger, but it always made me think about "long term deals" in wrestling. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 3, 2024 6:56:01 GMT -5
I don't think wrestling is a good industry for five year contracts. I don't think it's a good industry even for three year contracts. Too much can change with individuals, companies, and the industry at large. Wasn't it The Good Brothers who revealed WWE never actually signs people to a long term deal? It's all flavor text and the deals are actually three month deals that have a rollover period where people can be cut Now this was a few years ago in their last run, so things could have changed with new people coming in and the merger, but it always made me think about "long term deals" in wrestling. They’re just describing it that way because they can release people with 90 days notice despite whatever the length of the deal is (because they’re not fully guaranteed deals- they’re more like an NFL contract than an MLB one, to use a sports example). I’m sure it depends on the contract but it sounds like AEW contracts allow you to be cut with no notice, or at least those that were cut this week have contracts allowing that. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 3, 2024 9:43:19 GMT -5
I don't think wrestling is a good industry for five year contracts. I don't think it's a good industry even for three year contracts. Too much can change with individuals, companies, and the industry at large. Wasn't it The Good Brothers who revealed WWE never actually signs people to a long term deal? It's all flavor text and the deals are actually three month deals that have a rollover period where people can be cut Now this was a few years ago in their last run, so things could have changed with new people coming in and the merger, but it always made me think about "long term deals" in wrestling. From what I remember they said the guarantee wasn't as impressive as it sounded based on how the contract structure was |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 3, 2024 9:51:07 GMT -5
Wasn't it The Good Brothers who revealed WWE never actually signs people to a long term deal? It's all flavor text and the deals are actually three month deals that have a rollover period where people can be cut Now this was a few years ago in their last run, so things could have changed with new people coming in and the merger, but it always made me think about "long term deals" in wrestling. From what I remember they said the guarantee wasn't as impressive as it sounded based on how the contract structure was Yeah, my takeaway was that WWE contracts are similar to, like, college coaches' contracts. For example, if you do a search for "John Calipari" here (https://transparency.ky.gov/search/Pages/SalarySearch.aspx#/welcome), his listed salary is only $399,999.96, but he definitely clears well into the 7 figures every year. Just a lot of his paycheck is "nonsalary" performance-based bonuses and whatnot. I think the WWE guys probably make also make a "base salary" that is not as high as you would expect, but the top earners get huge "bonuses" based on things like merch sales, a percentage of TV and streaming deals, and PLE gates. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 3, 2024 9:55:39 GMT -5
From what I remember they said the guarantee wasn't as impressive as it sounded based on how the contract structure was Yeah, my takeaway was that WWE contracts are similar to, like, college coaches' contracts. For example, if you do a search for "John Calipari" here (https://transparency.ky.gov/search/Pages/SalarySearch.aspx#/welcome), his listed salary is only $399,999.96, but he definitely clears well into the 7 figures every year. Just a lot of his paycheck is "nonsalary" performance-based bonuses and whatnot. I think the WWE guys probably make also make a "base salary" that is not as high as you would expect, but the top earners get huge "bonuses" based on things like merch sales, a percentage of TV and streaming deals, and PLE gates. Quite possibly. I know that Shane Helms has mentioned making more than his actual salary by virtue of merch alone when the Hurricane gimmick was at its height. Of course, that is also probably because he was considered a lower card guy when he was brought in who then exploded in popularity with the superhero gimmick. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 3, 2024 10:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah, my takeaway was that WWE contracts are similar to, like, college coaches' contracts. For example, if you do a search for "John Calipari" here (https://transparency.ky.gov/search/Pages/SalarySearch.aspx#/welcome), his listed salary is only $399,999.96, but he definitely clears well into the 7 figures every year. Just a lot of his paycheck is "nonsalary" performance-based bonuses and whatnot. I think the WWE guys probably make also make a "base salary" that is not as high as you would expect, but the top earners get huge "bonuses" based on things like merch sales, a percentage of TV and streaming deals, and PLE gates. Quite possibly. I know that Shane Helms has mentioned making more than his actual salary by virtue of merch alone when the Hurricane gimmick was at its height. Of course, that is also probably because he was considered a lower card guy when he was brought in who then exploded in popularity with the superhero gimmick. Speaking of Helms, I always laugh how he said at one point Hurricane was top 3 in merch sales at one point, and he said if he was doing the gimmick just a few years late he'd likely get a world title reign but that isn't how things were done back then. Heck, Sandman said he got moved to Raw because his merch sale was so high |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 3, 2024 10:17:47 GMT -5
From what I remember they said the guarantee wasn't as impressive as it sounded based on how the contract structure was Yeah, my takeaway was that WWE contracts are similar to, like, college coaches' contracts. For example, if you do a search for "John Calipari" here (https://transparency.ky.gov/search/Pages/SalarySearch.aspx#/welcome), his listed salary is only $399,999.96, but he definitely clears well into the 7 figures every year. Just a lot of his paycheck is "nonsalary" performance-based bonuses and whatnot. I think the WWE guys probably make also make a "base salary" that is not as high as you would expect, but the top earners get huge "bonuses" based on things like merch sales, a percentage of TV and streaming deals, and PLE gates. My understanding of the pay structure nowadays in WWE is that you get a guaranteed salary, much higher than any guarantees that used to be in contracts, but the only extra on top is merchandise. You’re no longer paid based on the gate each night or your card placement or PPV buys. The contract is an all-in number. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 3, 2024 10:49:07 GMT -5
Yeah, my takeaway was that WWE contracts are similar to, like, college coaches' contracts. For example, if you do a search for "John Calipari" here (https://transparency.ky.gov/search/Pages/SalarySearch.aspx#/welcome), his listed salary is only $399,999.96, but he definitely clears well into the 7 figures every year. Just a lot of his paycheck is "nonsalary" performance-based bonuses and whatnot. I think the WWE guys probably make also make a "base salary" that is not as high as you would expect, but the top earners get huge "bonuses" based on things like merch sales, a percentage of TV and streaming deals, and PLE gates. My understanding of the pay structure nowadays in WWE is that you get a guaranteed salary, much higher than any guarantees that used to be in contracts, but the only extra on top is merchandise. You’re no longer paid based on the gate each night or your card placement or PPV buys. The contract is an all-in number. I was just speculating based on that Good Brothers interview, which seemed to imply that the guaranteed salary is lower than many would expect. The more guaranteed money wrestlers are getting, the better, in my book. |
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Post by markymark on Apr 3, 2024 11:35:28 GMT -5
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Post by chrom on Apr 3, 2024 11:53:34 GMT -5
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 3, 2024 12:59:28 GMT -5
Giving someone a clothesline to the face would be a great finisher if it was planned. When it's an accident, not so much.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 3, 2024 13:17:23 GMT -5
Burying them on the way out? |
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 3, 2024 14:10:21 GMT -5
Burying them on the way out? Yeah thats really a new one for me |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 3, 2024 16:16:19 GMT -5
I mean, Gravity was clearly not ready for a major contract and was hired because his brother is Bandido.
I thought that Jora Johl's contract had quietly expired and he left ages ago.
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Post by mystermystery on Apr 3, 2024 16:40:26 GMT -5
Jora Johl would often cut promos in Punjabi that they directed toward a more Indian audience (not even subtitled for uneducated Americans like me)
I would assume any chance of a push for him disappeared the moment Tony got Satnam Singh to develop the whole "One in a Billion" thing. I'd assume his former tag partner Rohit Raju was PPA since he's working in Glory Pro and A1 now (Last seen winning a tag match with Johl on Dark in March of 2023).
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