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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 1, 2024 18:49:37 GMT -5
Manny Fernandez is essentially an infamous bullshit artist who constantly makes shit up, and stolen valor is when someone presents themselves as having a military history (especially seeing combat) that did not happen. Sergeant Slaughter is sort of a grey area in that respect, with him not being a serviceman, but I am unclear on if Robert Remus has attempted to present himself as a veteran, or if it has always been the character of Sgt. Slaughter and the character alone where there's the fictitious military career. Out of character interviews he admitted to going to the Army surplus shop to buy his bully hat and other props... so at least now he mentions that "Sarge" is the Ex-Soldier not him. |
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Post by 06vwgti on May 1, 2024 18:52:56 GMT -5
Jacqueline went from wrestling men in USWA, managing Kevin Sullivan in WCW while beating up jobbers to being Sable's punching bag in WWF
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Post by Sephiroth on May 1, 2024 18:53:17 GMT -5
James Mitchell’s run in WCW was nothing spectacular. His ECW run had its moments but he was still pretty lost in the shuffle. He became a big player in TNA and now the NWA.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 1, 2024 20:48:41 GMT -5
Zack Ryder in WWE...Matt Cardona everywhere else? Ehh, I’d say he was somewhat accomplished in wwe. He won the IC, US, and tag titles, that’s pretty much one away from a grand slam |
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Post by fw91 on May 1, 2024 21:02:24 GMT -5
Mean Mark Callous in WCW. The Undertaker in WWE. Enough said.
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Post by The Barber on May 2, 2024 6:11:29 GMT -5
Manny Fernandez is essentially an infamous bullshit artist who constantly makes shit up, and stolen valor is when someone presents themselves as having a military history (especially seeing combat) that did not happen. Sergeant Slaughter is sort of a grey area in that respect, with him not being a serviceman, but I am unclear on if Robert Remus has attempted to present himself as a veteran, or if it has always been the character of Sgt. Slaughter and the character alone where there's the fictitious military career. Didn't he also say that he played for the Miami Dolphins, but it turned out to be another guy with the same name? |
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Post by floundertime on May 2, 2024 9:07:49 GMT -5
Punishment Martinez to Damien Priest
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 2, 2024 9:27:03 GMT -5
Dudes would be getting their lunch ate on WWE TV and then pop up on TNA months later and you're now supposed to take them as this serious upper card threat just because they came from the "real" company
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on May 2, 2024 10:03:18 GMT -5
Mean Mark Callous in WCW. The Undertaker in WWE. Enough said. Mean Mark Callous who had a US Title Match on PPV months prior to Survivor Series with Lex Luger and had Paul E as a manager? Yeah Ole says he may not have drawn but it wasn't like Mark was a jobber. He was programmed with a Main Eventer in Luger for a belt on a major event. That's a lot better than a lot of guys get. |
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Post by Cyno on May 2, 2024 11:03:27 GMT -5
So many examples are guys who were big in one promotion and then mid card or lower once they got to WWE. Are there any examples of the opposite? Big in WWE, but lesser elsewhere? I’d assume once you make it in WWE you instantly have credibility everywhere else. Trying to come up with one and none are coming to mind Bret Hart. Came into WCW as a big deal but then fell victim to the politics. He was still a 2 time world champion in WCW. Yeah, he wasn't THE guy in WCW, but still a upper card-main eventer fixture. |
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 2, 2024 11:35:57 GMT -5
Swerve in WWE, they wanted Flop Dollar to be the star of the group and looked how that turned out for Swerve
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Post by chrom on May 2, 2024 11:40:43 GMT -5
Mustafa Ali has proven himself successful in his post WWE career
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 2, 2024 12:14:53 GMT -5
Shane Douglas is a funny one.
Up-and-comer in WWF.
Tag Champ in WCW.
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Dean Douglas in WWF.
The Franchise again in ECW.
Mid-carder in WCW.
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Post by salz4life on May 2, 2024 12:18:50 GMT -5
Swerve in WWE, they wanted Flop Dollar to be the star of the group and looked how that turned out for Swerve I seriously can't believe this and I actually don't hate Top Dolla. I think he was solid on the mic, but in ring??? ehhh. Swerve was so obviously the guy and he's proved it in AEW. |
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Post by sfvega on May 2, 2024 13:24:39 GMT -5
So many examples are guys who were big in one promotion and then mid card or lower once they got to WWE. Are there any examples of the opposite? Big in WWE, but lesser elsewhere? I’d assume once you make it in WWE you instantly have credibility everywhere else. Trying to come up with one and none are coming to mind Bossman and Virgil come to mind. Bossman had a pretty good run early on with WWF, a largely forgettable run in WCW (positioned ok sometimes but never got over), and then a run in WWF where he was a big part of The Corporation in a huge angle. Virgil got positioned really well as DiBiase's bodyguard and was in the mix in big matches and angles before the split with DiBiase which was the height of his career. In WCW, he quickly slid down to jobber status and lower end cannon fodder for whoever was going up against NWO. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 2, 2024 13:40:57 GMT -5
James Gibson in ROH is a really interesting case. A WCW/WWE lower-midcarder (at best) showing up on the indies and getting a push isn't that unusual in the grand scheme of things, except that ROH was very choosy with that treatment in 2005. He subsequently stands out not only because ROH pushed him more than would be expected, but because his return to WWE was right back to the same spot. It almost feels like his ROH run could have portended a better career in WWE if he were a new wrestler instead of a returning wrestler, although his height was always going to doom him to a low ceiling there-and-thenabouts.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 2, 2024 17:51:03 GMT -5
Okada in TNA is up there, though excursions are sort of unusual cases. Given the wrestler is there to learn, and is not expected to remain with the company, they don't usually get handed the world on a silver platter. Still, it was egregious enough to annoy NJPW, as was their use of SANADA (even if he got it way better than Okada did), and damaged the relationship between the companies for quite some time, along with other perceived disrespect. SANADA wasn't in NJPW when he was in TNA, he was in Wrestle-1. Plus, it was after TNA's & NJPW's relationship had soured. |
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 2, 2024 18:11:07 GMT -5
Manny Fernandez is essentially an infamous bullshit artist who constantly makes shit up, and stolen valor is when someone presents themselves as having a military history (especially seeing combat) that did not happen. Sergeant Slaughter is sort of a grey area in that respect, with him not being a serviceman, but I am unclear on if Robert Remus has attempted to present himself as a veteran, or if it has always been the character of Sgt. Slaughter and the character alone where there's the fictitious military career. I think Slaughter did have some Stolen Valor issues at some point, with him claiming to have served. I can’t remember when he said it, or was alleged to have said it but I’m chalking it up as him just living the gimmick as he’s the epitome of that era of guys. I’m a Marine Corps veteran and I have zero issue with it. |
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Post by ace on May 2, 2024 19:08:25 GMT -5
Big Poppa Pump from WCW menace to teaming/feuding with Test then back to riches in TNA where he cut the greatest promo of all time: STEINER MATH. Steiner’s best run of his career was in TNA and no one will ever convince me otherwise. He was PERFECT. For years. Came in…talked about killing people…everyone bought it…sold his ass off and lost. Then he’d talk about killing someone else…everyone would buy it…he’d sell his ass off and lose again. He was a perfect pro wrestler at that moment in time. Then he started doing comedy. And HE GOT EVEN BETTER |
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Post by jason1980s on May 2, 2024 21:09:12 GMT -5
I think Slaughter did have some Stolen Valor issues at some point, with him claiming to have served. I can’t remember when he said it, or was alleged to have said it but I’m chalking it up as him just living the gimmick as he’s the epitome of that era of guys. I’m a Marine Corps veteran and I have zero issue with it. A month or two before covid hit, a few news outlets reported about Robert Remus and him claiming to be a Marine when he never served. They posted a newspaper article from the mid 80s about the Marine Corp not liking him claiming to be one of them. Then covid hit and just about everything took a backseat. I think he got lucky since 2020 seemed like the first time multiple places were picking up on the story of him claiming to be a Marine and the way he handles interviews is very touchy as he skirted kayfabe and reality. I was actually pretty surprised that the A&E bio had a part where he addressed the issue. He kept to the narrative that he, Robert Remus, did not serve but in keeping kayfabe Sgt. Slaughter did serve. I guess I was surprised they put that on there since it was still a WWE production though these A&E bios do show some guys in negative lights. |
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