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Post by gsguy on Jan 4, 2007 20:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jan 4, 2007 20:23:27 GMT -5
9-11. I don't like the fact that people would actually suggest our government would kill 3,000 of its own people OR have them all fake their deaths (yes, that is a theory by 9-11 conspiracy theorists). Besides, wasn't what actually enough for these conspiracy rear canals? A group of fundamental Islamic terrorists took down two buildings with two airplanes filled with people. That should have satisfied them for years, but NO!!!! They had to come up with more crazy ideas. I believe governments, not just ours, are capable of pretty much anything if it creates a market for arms contracters and an aura of fear in order to consilidate state power. NOT saying 9-11 fits this..(although there are intersting questions)..but I personally believe that any form of cencentrated power and authority are capable of monsterous things to preserve that power and authority.
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Post by Loki on Jan 4, 2007 20:25:54 GMT -5
The lunar landing thing is plain silly: so the government and the NASA put together such a scheme, with hundreds (if not thousands) of people involved, with so many ramifications and yet they FORGOT to put the stars on the set? Or they miscounted the number of pictures "taken"? Or the scenery was created by a Z-movie director?
As confident as they may have been in the propaganda machine, such "mistakes" are too big and too evident to be factual inaccuracies due to carelessness...
The 9/11 theories are kinda fascinating, and rely massively on the mistrust many of us have in the US government, but it seems like most of the "points" made by theorists can be explained. It's more up to what we WANT to believe than about what "really" happened.
I won't even bother to elaborate on the whole DaVinci's code bullshit...
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 4, 2007 20:39:01 GMT -5
The reason for the 9/11 conspiracies is because there's waaaaaay too many unanswered questions. Not to mention outright lies and deceit. I've seen with my own eyes, the owner of the WTC stating building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition, but that was soon changed to "the fires made it collapse". here's what was probably said Fires damaged WTC building 7, necessitating it to be brought down by controlled demolition then your mind started transposing things But anyway 1. 9/11 conspiracy theorists 2. Moon Landings 3. JFK (then again i do think there was some conspiracy there, but not the mob involved one...i don't even know which ones there are)
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Post by Steve Rogers on Jan 4, 2007 21:32:12 GMT -5
I'd go with the Lunar Loonies annoying me the most because all their points have been demolished so many times that they should just accept they're wrong and move on.
The 9-11 conspiracy types win the award for the most infuriating simply because a lot of thier points boil down to some variation on "Yeah right, do you really the believe the government cares about people's lives?". It's just such a pathetic dodge it sets me to seeing red.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 4, 2007 21:38:54 GMT -5
9-11. I don't like the fact that people would actually suggest our government would kill 3,000 of its own people OR have them all fake their deaths (yes, that is a theory by 9-11 conspiracy theorists). Besides, wasn't what actually enough for these conspiracy rear canals? A group of fundamental Islamic terrorists took down two buildings with two airplanes filled with people. That should have satisfied them for years, but NO!!!! They had to come up with more crazy ideas. I believe governments, not just ours, are capable of pretty much anything if it creates a market for arms contracters and an aura of fear in order to consilidate state power. NOT saying 9-11 fits this..(although there are intersting questions)..but I personally believe that any form of cencentrated power and authority are capable of monsterous things to preserve that power and authority. Well, that is true. And, another reason I don't think the government was behind 9-11 is all the f***-ups they've made: Watergate, Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, the Iraqi War, etc. Hell, if the government could break into a hotel office successfully and covered it up, then how could they fake landing on the moon!!!!?
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Jan 4, 2007 21:39:52 GMT -5
Everyone knows that Kyle was behind the 9/11 attacks.
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Jan 4, 2007 21:45:22 GMT -5
Everyone knows that Kyle was behind the 9/11 attacks. Only the Hardly Boys can find out for sure.
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Post by JIMBOB on Jan 4, 2007 22:01:37 GMT -5
The 9-11 nuts get the vote from me.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 4, 2007 22:06:10 GMT -5
Everyone knows that Kyle was behind the 9/11 attacks. Only the Hardly Boys can find out for sure. Oh My God!!!! I have such a raging clue!!!! ;D
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 4, 2007 22:07:13 GMT -5
none of them bother me, im conspiracy minded myself
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 4, 2007 22:12:36 GMT -5
I also don't believe that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy. Yes, I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I know that might bother a few people, but I can see why. It is more comforting to think a huge conspiracy killed the president of the United States because if one man can kill the president, then that means no of us are safe!!!!
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Post by shemmy86 on Jan 4, 2007 22:20:56 GMT -5
It is pretty much a ies between the JFK, 9-11, and moon landing. The 9-11 conspiracy really pisses me off though. Penn and Teller Bulls hit did a good show on debunking these three too.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 4, 2007 22:22:04 GMT -5
It is pretty much a ies between the JFK, 9-11, and moon landing. The 9-11 conspiracy really pisses me off though. Penn and Teller Bulls hit did a good show on debunking these three too. Oh yes. I love that episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2007 22:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by spec on Jan 4, 2007 22:39:02 GMT -5
The thing about 9-11 theorist is the government has lied about so much so often..(with us usally finding out decades later) and done so may things in secret that I for one dont blame people for at least asking questions. I dont put it past our government to pulla V For vendetta type thing..and who the president is matters nothing in that opinion. Do I think the government has been totally honest about 9-11? Probably not. Do I think it was an "inside job." Probably not. Do I think Bush planned it and carried it through..(even though I loathe his policies) almost positive..no. Still..I dont blame people for asking questions...the government and everything is does/says should be cross examined a million times as a rule. I agree with this. Question everything. It's utterly naive to think that governments have the best interests of citizens as a higher priority than profit and power itself. Throughout history those in power have exercised social control over the masses in unethical and underhanded ways. They lie, deceive and even murder to achieve their ends and to keep the population in line through fear. To totally accept all aspects of conspiracy theories would be foolish but to trust and believe governments would be foolish as well. We have to ask, how do these theories come about if there isn't some basis for them?
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Post by shemmy86 on Jan 4, 2007 22:41:02 GMT -5
It is pretty much a ies between the JFK, 9-11, and moon landing. The 9-11 conspiracy really pisses me off though. Penn and Teller Bulls hit did a good show on debunking these three too. Oh yes. I love that episode. I have come to the conclusion that there is no bad episode of Bulls hit, maybe an uncomfortable one (like that circumscision epsiode, ugh)
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 4, 2007 22:44:18 GMT -5
Oh yes. I love that episode. I have come to the conclusion that there is no bad episode of Bulls hit, maybe an uncomfortable one (like that circumscision epsiode, ugh) That episode made be want to reverse my circumsised penis.
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Post by Hypnotix on Jan 4, 2007 22:48:00 GMT -5
Definitely the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
My in-laws got a DVD player for Christmas, and me being the technical wizard I am, had to help them hook it up. Once it was hooked up, my father-in-law pulled out the only DVD's he had at the time, one of them was a documentary he picked up in the discount bin at Walmart, and the other one was a burned dvd of the Loose Change 9/11 conspiracy movie that he got from some guy at work. As much as it irritated me to watch it, we managed to laugh it off by disproving just about every theory they presented.
Its just pathetic. They zoom in something like ten times to the actual impacts and play them frame by frame. The pictures themselves are blurry as hell, and one frame before the actual impact (as they claim) a flame appears on the face of the towers - which they claim to be a missle! Having worked in television, I can tell you that each second of video contains 30 frames. The naked eye is not going to notice something happening in 1/30th of a second, nevermind the fact that these videos were shot from up to a mile away from the point of impact. So clearly a missle would've been fired from the front of an airliner, which isn't designed to carry one, and it was fired 1/30th of a second before they collided with the towers - BOTH TIMES!
And the Pentagon thing was supposedly a tomahawk cruise missle. Nevermind the almost 300 people that are unaccounted for now. They must've all been displaced. Its funny, but the "documentary" never once explains what must've happened to all those people.
9/11 conspirancy theorists are nothing more than whiny liberals who want to believe that Bush somehow planned the whole thing. If that were the case, then did Clinton plan the first bombing back in 1993?
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 4, 2007 22:51:01 GMT -5
We have to ask, how do these theories come about if there isn't some basis for them? The "basis" for a lot of theories seem to spring from "I don't trust the *fill in the blank* ergo everything they do must not be on the level." No evidence is really required for any given theory if you don't trust the source of the main story.
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