The Raven
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Post by The Raven on Jan 4, 2007 22:55:32 GMT -5
erisi works for the government.
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
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Post by REDUNBECK~! on Jan 4, 2007 22:56:47 GMT -5
9/11 drives me the most nuts, primarily because those wackjob theories ignore basic huging science ("OK class, if a building is struck by a plane and the plane explodes and blows out the support structure, what will happen when you factor in gravity?"), and they disrespect thousands of innocent people. And it also worries me that there are people who can't believe that some people from other countries actually hate us enough to do this sort of thing. Wake the hug up, already!
And as for the non-Twin Towers buildings at WTC falling down...What were those buildings supposed to do after being hit by falling debris and going through the earthquake that was the collapse of the towers? Stand untouched? I'd be more curious if they HADN'T fallen to be honest.
The JFK theories drive me bonkers because the whole "Magic Bullet" BS is based on a misunderstanding - the Magic Bullet theory talks about what would have had to happen for Gov. Connally to be hit had he been seated right in front of JFK. He wasn't. He was seated to the front and left of JFK, which allowed the bullet to go straight through the president and into Gov. Connally. No magic. Just some tragically well-aimed shots.
The others listed are just silly and mostly harmless. I mean, come on, like someone set up Princess Di to crash? Nah. I do believe, however, that the paparazzi who were there allowed her to die by neglecting to call for help immediately. Tragedy sells, and that's all they care about. Sad and sick, but so sadly true.
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Post by spec on Jan 5, 2007 1:56:38 GMT -5
We have to ask, how do these theories come about if there isn't some basis for them? The "basis" for a lot of theories seem to spring from "I don't trust the *fill in the blank* ergo everything they do must not be on the level." No evidence is really required for any given theory if you don't trust the source of the main story. I would say that the basis of many of the theories would be official explanations being full of holes and not adding up rather than purely upon mistrust of *fill in the blank*. There is plenty of evidence, the question is how accurate and concrete it is. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 5, 2007 2:56:00 GMT -5
The reason for the 9/11 conspiracies is because there's waaaaaay too many unanswered questions. Not to mention outright lies and deceit. I've seen with my own eyes, the owner of the WTC stating building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition, but that was soon changed to "the fires made it collapse". here's what was probably said Fires damaged WTC building 7, necessitating it to be brought down by controlled demolition then your mind started transposing things Quite incorrect. Thanks for playing anyhow. |
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Post by LoganB on Jan 5, 2007 3:06:01 GMT -5
My friends conspiracy theorey that My Chemical Romance is trying to sound like Greenday to become less popular to take a break. I only listen to Weird Al, Queen, and Wesly Willis so I don't care at all.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 5, 2007 3:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by spec on Jan 5, 2007 3:52:01 GMT -5
I see no evidence here, just computer graphics simulation. |
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 5, 2007 4:00:07 GMT -5
I see no evidence here, just computer graphics simulation.  Right, because they just typed in code and used smoke in mirrors to make that. But it really was a magic bullet with +4 against politicans. I mean that's the most logical explanation. |
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Post by spec on Jan 5, 2007 4:09:58 GMT -5
I see no evidence here, just computer graphics simulation. Right, because they just typed in code and used smoke in mirrors to make that. But it really was a magic bullet with +4 against politicans. I mean that's the most logical explanation. Oh no i'm sure they examined the actual car and took measurements of where the seats are. But rather than show that, they show colourful computer graphics. It's undeniable proof! |
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 5, 2007 4:16:06 GMT -5
If it's from the same special that I watched on the History channel, and I believe it is, they do use that before the computer show.
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Post by spec on Jan 5, 2007 4:23:32 GMT -5
Unless the analysis was at the time of the shooting, its a big question mark.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 5, 2007 4:26:19 GMT -5
The same could be said for every unobserved murder ever.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 5, 2007 4:28:59 GMT -5
The only one that really pisses me off is 9-11. I don't need to go step by step toward all of their theories to prove them wrong, in fact, anyone with half a brain can prove them wrong simply by acting sane. As was already mentioned we are to suspect a government that couldn't kill Castro, couldn't pull off Bay of Pigs, couldn't steal papers from a Hotel, and couldn't save the Iranian Hostages magically gains +1000000000000 in managing conspiracy theories is absurd. Most of the "contradictions" they find are the reports given in the first five minutes in a rush when everyone was panicing and couldn't get the full picture and then look at what the studies found later and say, "OMG! BUSHITLER DID IT!" Or they look at grainy videos that prove nothing.
And to take Maddox's point, if this is all true how come they arn't dead? Seriously. After Augusto Pinochet gained power in Chile the first thing he did was kill all of the leftists. Now, if the government is so evil, and only wants oil (that... I haven't seen mind you) then why in the hell arn't they quelling the opposition? Concidering the power we have compared to the power of Chile when Pinochet took hold I think it would be possible. After all, thousands of people worked together to orchestrate the greatest military attack in the history of humanity.
How come Cindy Sheehan isn't dead, how come Alex Jones isn't dead, how come the Loose Change guys arn't dead? The answer is simple, the truth is out there, it's been staring us in the face. A bunch of pissed off muslims flew planes into the towers. Face it. There is no conspiracy. If you want a conspiracy go to a communist country, there are plenty there. Live in Mao's China and be amazed as politicans randomly disappear. Live in Stalin's Russia and watch all of the show trials. Live in Castro's Cuba and stand amazed as Cienfuegos mysteriously dies flying over the Gulf of Mexico. That's a conspiracy theory, some with facts behind them. Or live in Hitler's Germany, or Pinochet's Chile.
Some people can't think logically. Does the government lie? Yes. Mostly they withold truth. It is our duty to realize when they are lying and for what reasons. This is not a case of lying.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Jan 5, 2007 5:26:15 GMT -5
JFK, KFC, Conspiracy
They all sound too similar for there not to be something there
Kennedy is secretly running a chicken franchise
Paul is dead man,miss him, miss him
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jan 5, 2007 9:06:31 GMT -5
The only one that really pisses me off is 9-11. I don't need to go step by step toward all of their theories to prove them wrong, in fact, anyone with half a brain can prove them wrong simply by acting sane. As was already mentioned we are to suspect a government that couldn't kill Castro, couldn't pull off Bay of Pigs, couldn't steal papers from a Hotel, and couldn't save the Iranian Hostages magically gains +1000000000000 in managing conspiracy theories is absurd. Most of the "contradictions" they find are the reports given in the first five minutes in a rush when everyone was panicing and couldn't get the full picture and then look at what the studies found later and say, "OMG! BUcrapLER DID IT!" Or they look at grainy videos that prove nothing. And to take Maddox's point, if this is all true how come they arn't dead? Seriously. After Augusto Pinochet gained power in Chile the first thing he did was kill all of the leftists. Now, if the government is so evil, and only wants oil (that... I haven't seen mind you) then why in the hell arn't they quelling the opposition? Concidering the power we have compared to the power of Chile when Pinochet took hold I think it would be possible. After all, thousands of people worked together to orchestrate the greatest military attack in the history of humanity. How come Cindy Sheehan isn't dead, how come Alex Jones isn't dead, how come the Loose Change guys arn't dead? The answer is simple, the truth is out there, it's been staring us in the face. A bunch of pissed off muslims flew planes into the towers. Face it. There is no conspiracy. If you want a conspiracy go to a communist country, there are plenty there. Live in Mao's China and be amazed as politicans randomly disappear. Live in Stalin's Russia and watch all of the show trials. Live in Castro's Cuba and stand amazed as Cienfuegos mysteriously dies flying over the Gulf of Mexico. That's a conspiracy theory, some with facts behind them. Or live in Hitler's Germany, or Pinochet's Chile. Some people can't think logically. Does the government lie? Yes. Mostly they withold truth. It is our duty to realize when they are lying and for what reasons. This is not a case of lying. I personally believe that a government will be as secretive and violent and authoritarian as the people in that country allow. The fact is that we in america have (thankfully) a certain culture of defiance, we expect our government to be somewhat democratic and enough of us stay diligent enough that the government cannot do the same things, and on the same levels that fascistic countries do. We as americans have a healthy mistrust of government and of authority..and the fact is the government knows if it does too many evil things, or does them in the open..the people will simply revolt and there will be civil war or a revolution. The fact is the more a nations people free themselves from a culture of subservience, obedience, and authoritarian rule the less power the governments leaders have to do things against that population. You cant say that non fascist governments arent corrupt and evil because those in fascist countries are moreso. Also..people always talk about "liberals" being the 9-11 theorists..and the few who do believe the conpiracy may be on the left...but the fact is 99% of the democrats, greens, socialists, communists, anarchists I know dont believe the theory. |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 5, 2007 9:29:35 GMT -5
I voted 9-11. Incredibly annoying, and one of the theories with the most glitches ever... and the less proofs, BTW...
I also found something on the internet about the New World Order ( nah, not the wrestling stuff ), which was also mixed with stuff about Skulls & Bones and verious satanist signs... that pretty incredible.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 5, 2007 9:30:19 GMT -5
Easily 9/11 nutjobs, but I won't really go into it so as to keep to the rules here. Moon landing fakers come next, and, call me crazy if you want, but I'm 100% certain there is alien life out there (Not because I have any proof, but its completely ignorant and arrogant to think that of all the planets and galaxies out there we are the ONLY FREAKING ONE WITH INTELLIGENT LIFEFORMS OR CIVILIZATIONS) but whether the government has information on that or not, I dont know.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Jan 5, 2007 9:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 5, 2007 9:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by backstagepowers on Jan 5, 2007 9:48:59 GMT -5
People that think that the government set up explosives on the levees in New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina so that they could flood the city and get rid of all the black people.
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