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Post by robferatu on Jan 31, 2007 4:06:43 GMT -5
Whenever I go back and watch old WWE PPV's from 2003-2004. It never ceases to amaze me at how far Batista has gotten. I remember thinking back then that as soon as Evolution broke up he was sure be one of those people they wished luck to on there future endeavors. But he's still around and in his second reign as World Heavyweight Champion none the less. Does anyone think he'll be remembered in lets say ten years. Like Hogan and Austin will always be remembered and I even think in lets say twenty years that John Cena will be remembered for his contributions to the WWE, but what about Batista? What if he ends The Undertakers undefeated streak at Wrestlemania? Would that mean one day he'll be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame? I cringe at the thought of that.
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Jan 31, 2007 4:27:35 GMT -5
Batista is on top cause the 2 monster non giants (Goldberg and Lesnar) arent wrestling anymore.
Lashley and Batista are really weak mediocre versions of the non giant monsters but they are on top cause wrestling always needs those types.
I miss Goldberg
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Post by Francis on Jan 31, 2007 4:32:45 GMT -5
I don't mind Batista being champion, he's over with the fans enough to be.
It's just the whole beating Taker thing that makes absolutely no sense. I find it hard to believe that UT would agree to job to Batista of all people, he's just too old to give the streak to.
I would understand Cena, I don't like Cena but still he's young and over and apparently in for the long haul.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 31, 2007 6:08:03 GMT -5
Batista and John Cena will be remembered like Bret Hart, Diesel, HBK, British Bulldog, or Ricky Steamboat.
of course not for mic skills, coolness, or wrestling skill.
just for being a top guy, but not an Icon like Taker, Hogan, Andre, Rock, or Austin
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Post by Loki on Jan 31, 2007 7:30:39 GMT -5
Batista and John Cena will be remembered like Bret Hart, Diesel, HBK, British Bulldog, or Ricky Steamboat. of course not for mic skills, coolness, or wrestling skill. just for being a top guy, but not an Icon like Taker, Hogan, Andre, Rock, or Austin I think it's still too early to call where Cena will be at the end of his career. And besides... Hart and Michaels were top guys who actually added somthing of value to the show, even though they didn't reach the Icon status Diesel was on the top because he was big, and was over for a littile while. Steamboat and Bulldog were never 100% top guys in WWF, rather luxury upper midcarders. The only real Icons in the business are Hogan, Austin, Rock and maybe Andre... Taker falls in the Hart-HBK category IMO. Batista can only hope to be ranked up there with Diesel as "better than nothing big guy"
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Post by Arturo Classico on Jan 31, 2007 7:41:56 GMT -5
To me at least Cena has potential with being young and his matches arent horrible and if they are it is not his fault it's booking and I don't like the "aww..shucks" Marine gimmick.
As Batista goes I feel he is done! He's about as old as HBK and has no future! He's 40 and is just horrible! I feel he will not be seen as a very good champion and will not be looked as someone who contributed much at all. I feel it would be better to build Kennedy, MVP, Miz and Matt Hardy and others than concentrating on a guy who could seriously break down at any time! I'd rather Mark Henry than Batista!
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Jan 31, 2007 8:19:30 GMT -5
If what the "dirt sheets" say is true, then his lack of passion for the business should get him released.
The man knows how to dress, and he looks like a star, but that's about it: the look.
If Taker does face him, I hope that he humbles the heck out of Batista (Non-Sheik humbling, mind you), like he was rumored to do with Lesnar before they booked him against Goldberg at WM XX
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Post by Fortunato on Jan 31, 2007 8:47:39 GMT -5
I remember a brief period when Batista was a smark darling, mostly during his Evolution, pimped-out suit phase. I largely agree with the current assessment about his lack of spark lately, but when did the IWC start to turn on him? I seem to think it was when he fought Booker T backstage. Can anybody else think of a defining turning point for everyone's new antipathy toward Batista?
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Post by catwoman on Jan 31, 2007 9:42:48 GMT -5
If what the "dirt sheets" say is true, then his lack of passion for the business should get him released. The man knows how to dress, and he looks like a star, but that's about it: the look. If Taker does face him, I hope that he humbles the heck out of Batista (Non-Sheik humbling, mind you), like he was rumored to do with Lesnar before they booked him against Goldberg at WM XX Agreed on all counts. Apparently, he was also a real schmuck back in developmental...Real superiority complex and unimpressive work ethic. He has the look but ever since he went on his own post-Evolution (and deflated a la Chris Masters), he's bored me as champ. I'd much rather see Kennedy with the title...but he's probably not quite there yet.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 31, 2007 9:48:50 GMT -5
Once I heard "he's friends with HHH" (during the days of Evolution) I never ever thought of him as a guy who'd ever be on the verge of being fired, but rather someone who'd either go out when he chose to or too injured to work anymore...
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 31, 2007 9:48:54 GMT -5
I remember a brief period when Batista was a smark darling, mostly during his Evolution, pimped-out suit phase. I largely agree with the current assessment about his lack of spark lately, but when did the IWC start to turn on him? I seem to think it was when he fought Booker T backstage. Can anybody else think of a defining turning point for everyone's new antipathy toward Batista? I hate when people say someone "turned on him", the guy's promos were great, he was cool, had the intensity and it died out when he got injured. I remember even on an episode of SD a few months back, John Cena even said that to him that he lost his fire, I know it's kayfabe and all, but there is some truth to that, he seems to be coasting on his HHH feud from 2 years ago. He gets a great crowd pop, undeniably, but the guy is just halfassing it nowadays. Has nothing to do with people "OMG TURNING ON HIM!!WHY!!11", if he was more intense and probably kept the hair, and gave a crap, then maybe no one would have to say he was losing his touch.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 31, 2007 9:49:33 GMT -5
He had 1 good feud..............................HHH.
That's it, imo
But he did have charisma and looked solid in the ring but since injury he's Sucked
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Jan 31, 2007 9:56:10 GMT -5
I remember a brief period when Batista was a smark darling, mostly during his Evolution, pimped-out suit phase. I largely agree with the current assessment about his lack of spark lately, but when did the IWC start to turn on him? I seem to think it was when he fought Booker T backstage. Can anybody else think of a defining turning point for everyone's new antipathy toward Batista? I think the IWC turned on him when he came back from the injury and looked lousy in the ring.
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Post by akkountent on Jan 31, 2007 9:57:12 GMT -5
I agree w/ the other posters about Vince basically needing to always have 1 or 2 "big men" to hold a strap. I don't get it though; if you go back and look at the WWE's history over the last 20 years, the "big men" haven't been the most popular or sold the most merchandise. Hogan was big and was advertised as having 24" pythons, but he wasn't as well put together as other wrestlers of his era. The Rock and Stone Cold had good bodies and were certainly in great shape, but they weren't the most chiseled of their era either. Even today, CM Punk, HBK, Undertaker - these are arguably the most over guys on their respective shows and they are no-where near close to having the most defined or biggest body on their show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2007 9:58:05 GMT -5
Batista was never the IWC's darling. John Cena and Orton were for a brief peroid, But I never really remembering anyone care about Batista other than when he was feuding with HHH.
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Post by Fortunato on Jan 31, 2007 11:28:36 GMT -5
I remember a brief period when Batista was a smark darling, mostly during his Evolution, pimped-out suit phase. I largely agree with the current assessment about his lack of spark lately, but when did the IWC start to turn on him? I seem to think it was when he fought Booker T backstage. Can anybody else think of a defining turning point for everyone's new antipathy toward Batista? I hate when people say someone "turned on him", the guy's promos were great, he was cool, had the intensity and it died out when he got injured. I remember even on an episode of SD a few months back, John Cena even said that to him that he lost his fire, I know it's kayfabe and all, but there is some truth to that, he seems to be coasting on his HHH feud from 2 years ago. He gets a great crowd pop, undeniably, but the guy is just halfassing it nowadays. Has nothing to do with people "OMG TURNING ON HIM!!WHY!!11", if he was more intense and probably kept the hair, and gave a crap, then maybe no one would have to say he was losing his touch. It's the same difference. I wasn't blaming the fans for their change in opinion toward Batista. I feel pretty much the same way about the guy. He was in a hot feud with one of the biggest stars in the industry, he had a fire in his belly, he gave measured, articulate, but intense promos, and he dressed sharper than anyone in the history of the WWE. As champion, he would have been great to showcase on Regis & Kelly or anywhere in the mainstream media, because he didn't dress or sound like most people's idea of a wrestler. Then, like Keyser Soze, "Poof," all that was gone. The suits made more infrequent appearances, the matches were kind of "bleh," and the only thing he got fired up about was his entrance. Batista seemed to stop caring, so I stopped caring about the Batista character. Whether you call that "turning on him" or reevaluting your position based on current performance is irrelevant, because the end result is the same: Whatever we felt about the guy THEN, we don't feel the same about him NOW. I was just wondering when this "Batista apathy" started to emerge in most fans? For me, it was when I heard about his dissing A.J. Styles. For others, it might have been his post-injury performance, etc., etc.
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Post by Libertine on Jan 31, 2007 11:31:16 GMT -5
Batista was a hot favourite over his feud with HHH, but since he's come back he's just another musclehead. You always knew he would eventually triumph over Booker and any programme with the Undertaker could go really badly (Batista ends the streak; crowd hate it) or really boring.
I remember a Batista promo where he stated "I've fulfilled an ambition I've had since I was kid to win the world title" and you know, I just don't believe him.
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Post by Loki on Jan 31, 2007 11:40:02 GMT -5
Everybody loved Batista when he was feuding with Triple H, well... because he was feuding with Triple H (aka Satan himself). Then when he won the belt and he defeated Satan two more times, and the well-built feud was over, the veil fell! And we re-realized Batista wasn't that great after all... He still was the same generic big guy who was hanging around with Evolution.
Batista looked like a million bucks because he was booked in the most anticipated feud this side of Rock and Austin... He was the One who was gonna stop the unstoppable Game.
But without a hot feud with a damn good (pun intended) Superstar, he's nothing more than an uberpushed Warlord...
Sure the fans still cheer for him because he's big and (kinda) dominant, but he's definitely running out of gas...
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 31, 2007 11:45:54 GMT -5
Batista started to lose me when he cut the infamous "bully" promo on JBL.
"JBL, you're a bully, and I'm gonna beat you up!"
Nice to know that what works in kindergarten can translate to the world of sports entertainment.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Jan 31, 2007 11:46:02 GMT -5
I can honestly, and proudly, say that I never liked him. Ever. Not from day one. For years now, I've said he's a shorter Sid. That his mic skills were suspect at best ("I'm gonna kick the devil's ass!" Ooh, real witty comeback, Dave.). For years, I've said he's an over-rated, over-pushed, over-hyped lunk, totally undeserving of his push. It's sweet to be right, finally. Jed Shaffer ~If everyone would just listen to me ...
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