Batista: Who Cares?

[Arturo Classico]

I never was big on Batista, well accept thought he was okay as the "enforcer" for Evolution, however never as a main event star anyway. Even the HHH feud while good I wan't into and I didn't really care about him because I never saw anything in his matches that was spectacular. Also him being all power no substance wasn't bad as a heel but it is painful as a face! He seemed after the HHH to be going nowhere and his reign was bad and they had no one to face him so they got MNM which made me like MNM which I hated back than because it gave some credibity to the tag division that a tag team of midcarders could feud with the World champion I actually thought that was awesome.

Anyway he got injured and gave a great promo but if you look back at that not only was he giving up the belt it also looked he straight just giving up. As he came back he looked horrible so bad that he made a fool of himself on ECW. It was just pathetic! Now he was botching moves badly now and he hasn't progressed at all. He can only wrestle smaller guys because with bigger ones they make him look like shit! I mean at Armeggedon look at the Black Hole Slam he attempted! Just awful! Get the belt off him ASAP!

Plus the ratings have more to do with the Undertaker than Batista and the establishing of Kennedy as a star! I hope if it's either HBK or Taker I just want them to win! Batista should just retire as he is useless! Soon it will be Kennedy's time and he already has proven able to wrestle and improve himself something Batista can't do!

[ghettooverlord]

brainofj said:

I can honestly, and proudly, say that I never liked him. Ever. Not from day one.

This is something we watch for entertainment. You say stuff like that about Richard Nixon, not entertainers. -.-

[mo]

I liked him with Evolution, and I was pissed when he won at WM21, he's boring he sucks and I just don't like him

[BHB]

Batista is only where he is because:

1. The Randy Orton push stalled badly.

2. Because of his age and close friendship to HHH, HHHe didn't feel threatened by him or mind having him in the main event scene. Basically HHH elevated him so he could wrestle his friend in main events.

[mysterydriver]

Batista seems afraid of getting reinjured now. I can appreciate that he doesn't want to get hurt, but his matches are getting sloppy. Kennedy looked like the star at the Royal Rumble. Kennedy made that match.

Batista's nice guy outside, mean inside ring gimmick isn't good for him. Look at Bobby Lashley, it doesn't work there either. Cena is just downright goofy sometimes Making a broad generalization that most of you won't agree with, fans want a tough guy who acts tough.

Yes, it is that dreaded comparison to Steve Austin. Later, when Austin started singing and laughing about people seemed to stop caring as much as when he was diving over policemen just to punch Vince. They still liked Austin, just not as much and that is when the boom began to dwindle.

Remember Kurt Angle, coming out, beating people up, making them tap, and all the time backing up whatever he said? It was great. One problem, he was the heel because Cena was the face. That is when the Cena hate gained major, major steam.

That is just a few of my ideas on the topic of tough guys...I figured a conversation with Batista would be just as good a time to drop them as any.

And one more thing...

Kennedy.

[Arturo Classico]

See the thing is I feel Batista will get booed badly at Wrestlemania anyway you Look at it! No one will cheer Batista over Undertaker or HBK and he shouldn't get the win over either guy. I would much just rather see Kennedy vs Benoit that should have been saved for the WHC for Wrestlemania but they crushed that. Batista time is dwindling down and I don't see him being main event for much longer.

[Bub (BLM)]

kingsofwrestling said:

See the thing is I feel Batista will get booed badly at Wrestlemania anyway you Look at it! No one will cheer Batista over Undertaker or HBK and he shouldn't get the win over either guy. I would much just rather see Kennedy vs Benoit that should have been saved for the WHC for Wrestlemania but they crushed that. Batista time is dwindling down and I don't see him being main event for much longer.

Agreed. Undertaker would get cheered over Batista. Michaels would get cheered over Batista. He's pretty much going to get his ass booed out of the arena at Mania.

[Joekishi]

I really think Batista needs to turn more heelish and more wild as WRestlemania time comes by.

For now he's just been this really mellow dude who yells, but doesn't really show his anger that much.

I think if Batista started effing people up no matter heel/face would be great guys like Benoit, Finlay, REgal, LonDrick, Chavo, or MVP getting DESTROYED by a dirty cheating no mercy Batista would be cool.

[oltrelamorte]

Batista needs better theme music too.

Motorhead > Saliva

[Mr. Zombie]

I think Batista's problem goes back before he and HHH ever met at Wrestlemania. If I remember correctly, his feud with HHH was kind of puttering into 'mania because of poor booking and overwritten scripts for Batista. Remember the contract signing, the long winded HHH promos, a complete lack of Batista until the end of the show.....he got himself over, but he hasn't really been given the chance to do much since then. HHH's feud got him to the top of the card, but he was more over before 'Mania then he was afterwards. We all loved it because it was fun to see someone unexpected get himself over....he was a guy we cheered for out of choice.

I remember that the bookers and writers took everything we liked about him (the soft spoken thoughtful nature, logic, natural acting ability, normal backstage behavior, able to show emotion naturally through looks and facial expression), squashed it, and replaced it with everything he wasn't (overwritten corny dialogue, bad jokes, bad camera work, long promos, contract signing, that "wrestler non-logic stupidity" we all know about). As soon as he got over, (around NYR), he was neutered of everything that got him over.This was the beginning of the end for him.

The fact that he hasn't been able to feature what he's good at has completely killed him. Thats why the Eddie feud worked so well......Eddie's character was able to bring out that logical monster side of Batista that worked very, very well. He didn't have to engage in long winded banter. The man has natural body language and acting ability, and a knack for being able convey what he was thinking without having to say it. He played this off of Eddie really well.

So whats wrong with Batista now? He's not able to showcase what he's good at. We didn't buy into him for the Hoss-a-mania thing he does now....we've seen that done before and much better. When we liked him, it was because of his natural character, which he hasn't been able to showcase at all lately. Now he's just a monster face, and it doesn't work well for him at all, despite his physique.

[Monty Black]

I think the biggest problem with Batista now is that he's..............................OUT OF SHAPE! Sure he's big and muscular but he's got too much mass to be able to wrestle properly. Look at him in 03-04 he was lean and ripped, now he's big and massive. I swear if we did a picture beside picture of him at the start of Evolution and then pics from the Rumble the difference would be astonishing.

He just looks so tired in his matches and his strength seems to fail him a lot. On top of that Batista used to have speed and agility, now he hardly ever pops back up onto his feet after the spinebuster. He also has no intensity these days and can't look good unless he faces smaller guys. Another thing I can't stand is that no one is ever able to pose a serious threat to him. At least Cena has Umaga and Khali who he somewhat fears, Batista faced the possibility of never getting a shot at the title again vs Booker and walked into the match with no worry whatsoever. It's just hard to like a champion who seems invulnerable. This is why I find Cena's the best current champion.

[Arturo Classico]

rhzombie18 said:

I think Batista's problem goes back before he and HHH ever met at Wrestlemania. If I remember correctly, his feud with HHH was kind of puttering into 'mania because of poor booking and overwritten scripts for Batista. Remember the contract signing, the long winded HHH promos, a complete lack of Batista until the end of the show.....he got himself over, but he hasn't really been given the chance to do much since then. HHH's feud got him to the top of the card, but he was more over before 'Mania then he was afterwards. We all loved it because it was fun to see someone unexpected get himself over....he was a guy we cheered for out of choice.

I remember that the bookers and writers took everything we liked about him (the soft spoken thoughtful nature, logic, natural acting ability, normal backstage behavior, able to show emotion naturally through looks and facial expression), squashed it, and replaced it with everything he wasn't (overwritten corny dialogue, bad jokes, bad camera work, long promos, contract signing, that "wrestler non-logic stupidity" we all know about). As soon as he got over, (around NYR), he was neutered of everything that got him over.This was the beginning of the end for him.

The fact that he hasn't been able to feature what he's good at has completely killed him. Thats why the Eddie feud worked so well......Eddie's character was able to bring out that logical monster side of Batista that worked very, very well. He didn't have to engage in long winded banter. The man has natural body language and acting ability, and a knack for being able convey what he was thinking without having to say it. He played this off of Eddie really well.

So whats wrong with Batista now? He's not able to showcase what he's good at. We didn't buy into him for the Hoss-a-mania thing he does now....we've seen that done before and much better. When we liked him, it was because of his natural character, which he hasn't been able to showcase at all lately. Now he's just a monster face, and it doesn't work well for him at all, despite his physique.

See thats why I said it would be a much better matchup at Wrestlemania if HBK faced him rather than Taker. Taker would kill any credibity he has left! HBK, would be able to just be a moster which is why people liked him in the first place. Taker would make Batista look like a total goof and than squash him like he does to all his "monster" opponents at Wrestlemania.

People say it would make no sense for Taker to face Cena, I say it makes perfect sense since the WWE is more prestigous and with the build up a loss versus Taker would destroy him where if he win or loses versus HBK it wouldn't be so bad, since he is a legend and would still make Batista look good, while Taker although is alegend would make Batista look very bad.

[Brain Of F'n J]

ghettooverlord said:

brainofj said:

I can honestly, and proudly, say that I never liked him. Ever. Not from day one.

This is something we watch for entertainment. You say stuff like that about Richard Nixon, not entertainers. -.-

Why can't I? I watch wrestling for entertainment, too (it isn't for the high vitamin C content). And Batista does not, has never, and will never entertain me. I find him an absolutely generic big man, interchangable with Matt Morgan, Nathan Jones, Trytan, Heidenreich, Snitsky and the million-and-one other talentless bodybuilder oafs that Vince keeps hiring.

Jed Shaffer
~Never thought I'd cheer for Undertaker to get one more title reign.