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Post by mrpink on Jan 21, 2007 18:11:58 GMT -5
I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I was just wondering why all this hatred for Austin has popped up all of a sudden. Maybe it was always there and I just never noticed. Anyway, besides the situation with Debra, which I neither condone or defend, why is everyone turning on Austin?
Him and the Undertaker carried the WWF, yes I said F, on their backs for the year 1998. Rock and Foley were finally ready to go in 1999 and Hunter didn't make much of a singles impact until 2000. He was the attitude area. He helped bring the company back from the brink of obscurity. Sure he may have been a jerk at times, bitter, but no worse than Hogan.
Other than the situation with Brock, which has been misconstrued, I can't remember him actively refusing to put someone over. Again. maybe I just never heard about it, but I pay close attention.
He walked out on the company after a disagreement with creative. Not the best way to handle the situation, yes, but this is the same creative currently crapping all over the business. Can't blame him there. If Austin saw the writing in the wall, than Vince should have.
He refused to put over Brock, ON FREE TV WITH NO BUILDUP. It was a stupid idea to have that match and I don't blame him.
He didn't believe that Jarrett could be a big star. Well, maybe he was wrong about that, but look at J-E-Double F now. Maybe Steve had a point. Plus, I'm sure Debra was a factor somehow.
He refused to put over Coach on PPV. I'm not even gonna comment on that one.
He has done some bad things, yes, but he was still the biggest and best made star the company has ever had. Hogan is a walking ego. Cena? I laugh.
Sorry for the rant, but I was just wondering, intelligently, why all the sudden hatred.
Discuss?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 18:15:30 GMT -5
I don't see why you should get flamed, you haven't said anything disrespectful, it's your opinion. It's not sudden "hatred", it's just views on Austin leaving the company the way he did on those two occasions.
As for Austin, I don't hate him at all, I'm a big fan, but the guy has an ego as well, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. He walked out twice on the company, because things weren't going his way, that's not professional at all. Even with the loss to Coach, it would've been forgotten and even Trips jobbed to J.R so it's not like he was the only one to do that, yet people seem to forget that.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 21, 2007 18:16:12 GMT -5
There's nothing to discuss. You provided an excellent argument.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 21, 2007 18:16:35 GMT -5
I dont hate Austin, I hate WWE doing whatever stupid crap reason they do to get him on TV when its obvious he's either too lazy, too hurt, or just downright unwilling to work an actual match.
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Post by Loki on Jan 21, 2007 18:17:40 GMT -5
I'm not an Austin fan. I just don't get what was so great with him in the first place, not character-wise, not wrestling-wise, not entertainment-wise.
He's the Icon of an era of pro wrestling I strongly dislike, so, even though I have to recognize and respect what he had done, I refuse to welcome his Nth comeback, especially since he can't add a thing to the show in the mid-run.
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Post by MGH on Jan 21, 2007 18:19:01 GMT -5
I don't hate him. I made it clear I'm a huge Austin fan, or I should say I was when he was around. But that doesn't mean he's perfect. If you do something unprofessional you do something unprofessional. He isn't exempt from that.
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 21, 2007 18:32:11 GMT -5
I hate when he returns briefly just to do pointless skits and crap. Stay in or get out is what I say.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 21, 2007 18:34:42 GMT -5
Know whats pretty funny. The fact that if he just woulda just lost to Lesnar, not one fan would remember that match. We only remember it cause of him refusing to lose, something that no one should ever do...
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Post by mrpink on Jan 21, 2007 18:47:35 GMT -5
Okay so it seems like its less hate for Austin and more hate for the reason he's being brought back. I can understand that I guess. Still, anything that will make the product better is a welcome change for me. I could be naive but I hope that maybe Austin coming in might help. I don't know I've been wrong before.
Now if they could only find a way to get Rocky to come back for a least a visit. I mean besides if they induct his dad into the HOF. I so want to see Rock and Carlito getting into a verbal war. I want to see Rock put guys like Masters, Khali and Cena into their place.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 21, 2007 18:49:32 GMT -5
Even though Austin still gets a helluva pop, it's depressing to watch WWE TV from 1997-1998 and then watch it today -- the crowds are just so different; they cared then because the product was new and fresh...while today it's not.
If anything, Austin today reminds people that Austin yesterday was just SO MUCH BIGGER.
I like Austin, and I agree with basically the entire argument made in the original post here. But Austin today is a crutch for a feeble WWE, and one day that crutch is either gonna break or just not be there. The WWE needs to learn how to stand up on its own...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 21, 2007 18:49:33 GMT -5
I don't have any hate, but I've really never been a fan. I always thought the Rock and HHH were much more entertaining.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 18:51:38 GMT -5
I don't think Austin will do much good, he'll get his plugs in, get a good pop from the crowd, drink a few beers and be on his way, much like he did last year before WM22, and in 2005.
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Post by AmericanDragon420 on Jan 21, 2007 19:02:35 GMT -5
Austin's haters ussually are half smart fans that hear stories like the Lesnar one and either hear the wrong version of it or don't understand all of it. Bret Hart and Ric Flair have the same kind of haters. Either way, they act like it's always wrong to refuse to put someone over. In al reality, its perfectly acceptable to refuse to do the job in certain situations. Now if you're doing it like Hogan, thats different. But Bret not wanting to put a piece of shit like HBK over or Flair not wanting to job for Rick Steiner at Starrcade is different.
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Post by therealmamamiller on Jan 21, 2007 19:08:37 GMT -5
Hate is a strong word - I dislike him for many reasons some of which might not even be his fault. First of all I don't like what his character represented and as I've said before and will again. His emergence signaled the end of pro wrestling as a form of family entertainment. Secondly I truly have no use for a man who beats on a woman and it wasn't just Debra. I dislike the fact that he made being a drunk seem like the in thing to do and I dislike the way he twice walked out on the federation in mid story line. For a few years there they marketed him to the point of nausea (not his fault). Now they're talking about bringing him back to promote a movie that won't do jack at the box office anyway.
I know that SCSA made a huge impact in the WWE/F/G and I'm in the minority but I will never ever be a fan of his.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 21, 2007 19:11:06 GMT -5
I have a question for all of you who feel that he was completely unprofessional to walk out and refuse to job to Brock Lesnar:
Why do YOU continually bring it up to bust his balls about it, but the two wrestlers who were most effected by him walking out (Lesnar and Eddie) never showed any bitterness towards him over it?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 19:12:44 GMT -5
Austin's haters ussually are half smart fans that hear stories like the Lesnar one and either hear the wrong version of it or don't understand all of it. Bret Hart and Ric Flair have the same kind of haters. Either way, they act like it's always wrong to refuse to put someone over. In al reality, its perfectly acceptable to refuse to do the job in certain situations. Now if you're doing it like Hogan, thats different. But Bret not wanting to put a piece of crap like HBK over or Flair not wanting to job for Rick Steiner at Starrcade is different. Well, tell that to Vince and co. on those 2 occasions when he walked out. As said several times, it wouldn't have killed his career if he had. Hogan did it and lost decisively, and his cred wasn't hurt one bit.
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Post by MGH on Jan 21, 2007 19:16:28 GMT -5
I have a question for all of you who feel that he was completely unprofessional to walk out and refuse to job to Brock Lesnar: Why do YOU continually bring it up to bust his balls about it, but the two wrestlers who were most effected by him walking out (Lesnar and Eddie) never showed any bitterness towards him over it? That's like asking why we have problems with the Eddie Guerrero storylines when Vickie has no problem with it. Because we have the right to our own opinion and feelings on the matter.
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Post by Tonto Goldstein on Jan 21, 2007 19:18:18 GMT -5
That's like asking why we have problems with the Eddie Guerrero storylines when Vickie has no problem with it. Because we have the right to our own opinion and feelings on the matter. Well, in Vickie's defense, she's getting big $ to have no problem with it. Vince McMahon is more or less her pimp right now, sorry to say.
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Post by backstagepowers on Jan 21, 2007 19:19:19 GMT -5
I just don't like him...i'm not going to spit out any of the generic smark BS...he's just boring to me. It's always the same thing, come stomping down to the ring, the middle fingers, cut a pointless promo, drink beer, middle finger, someone comes down from the back, pointless promo, beer, middle finger, beer, beer, middle finger, continue with the pointless promo while Austin has a stupid look on his face, Austin interrupts, beer, Austin hands beer to the other person in the ring, act like everything is good, Stunner, middle finger, tired music plays, beer, middle finger, beer, Austin stomps up the ramp, middle finger, then maybe 10 or 15 minutes later (if that long) we get a stupid skit, beer, middle finger, beer, and it never stops.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 19:20:04 GMT -5
I have a question for all of you who feel that he was completely unprofessional to walk out and refuse to job to Brock Lesnar: Why do YOU continually bring it up to bust his balls about it, but the two wrestlers who were most effected by him walking out (Lesnar and Eddie) never showed any bitterness towards him over it? He was unprofessional, if my boss told me to do something and I walked off in a fit, despite my intentions it was unprofessional to do so. I'm not busting his balls about it, it's what happened. I'm sure Lesnar wasn't upset, neither was Guerrero, WWE would just find something else to do to get over and they did. Not bitter or angry towards him, just saying my view on the matter.
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