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Post by davyd doesn't eat meat on Jan 21, 2007 19:55:33 GMT -5
besides his match with bret hart at wrestlemania 13, i've never been incredibly impressed with steve austin. i don't think he's a terrible worker or anything, but his character was too "white trash" for my tastes.
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Post by Waiting to Emo on Jan 21, 2007 19:59:48 GMT -5
yes i am, i'm also part of my family and i can say they're crazy Sure you can, but you make it seem as if you're not a part of it, when you said that. Weren't you complaining about the complaining just then? well the fact that i posted that comment on an internet message board shouold make it pretty obvious that i'm a member of the IWC. i was just stating that i dont do the same thing that most of the IWC do
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Jan 21, 2007 20:06:26 GMT -5
It's funny, but I've always had the complete opposite feelings on Austin "walking out". I always took it more as taking a stand against terrible booking because he could. Granted, it sucked that he left, but his reasons were somewhat justified in my opinion. Maybe what Vince and his terrible creative team needs is more people standing up to ridiculous ideas.
The Lesnar job made no sense. They just wanted Austin, who was still technically their number one babyface, to do a rudimentary job to Lesnar in the opening round of the King of the Ring tournament on TV. No build-up, no post-match feud. Just a job for no reason. When you look at wrestlers as what they really are, "actors", then find out your character is being killed in the first 15 minutes of a movie for no reason, and with no follow up, I think I'd refuse too. It sucks for the fans, yes, but it was a stupid decision by WWE.
As for the Coach job, well, I can't believe there is anyone on Earth who could justify that. Austin's in-ring comeback was a HUGE deal. He hadn't wrestled in almost 3 years, and they wanted him to lose to Coach? Once again, there was no follow up to this "Job", Austin would have just lost, then went back into inactivity. They had no plans to bring JR back, and had no plans for Austin after that match. He was going to be off TV until around Wrestlemania. So, once again, I ask you, if there's absolutely no benefit in having Austin lose, and it leads NOWHERE, why do it?
I just don't buy this whole "You have to do what the boss says, no matter what" ideal. Sometimes, bosses and company's need to be made accountable. That's the original reason why Unions were invented. (And for the record, I'm not saying WWE needs to be unionized. Just that I kind of get off on the fact that there's people Vince can't bully into doing stupid things.)
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jan 21, 2007 20:13:55 GMT -5
I am waiting for someone to call him a wifebeater. well before that comes up remember that Debra never pressed charges and forgave him. Yeah, and the guy who killed Bruiser Brody, as far as I know, was never formally charged. I've sold more drugs to more people than most people I know (granted, that was 10+ years ago, but I digress) but I never got caught, arrested, or charged. Does that make it right? 'Cause, I mean, I can always go back to selling drugs, if it's "okay to do as long as you don't get charged." Also, for the record, if I ever hit a woman, and she was stupid enough to forgive me, I'd lose respect for her, too. EDIT: For the record, I was not trying to attack you, personally, Rob. I pretty much always like your posts. This is just an attempt to debunk the "as long as whomever you wronged forgives you then everything was hunky-dory in the first place" myth. EDIT 2: Also for the record, I will probably mark HUGE when I hear the glass shatter and "Stone Cold" returns. Just because he might be a bit douchy backstage doesn't mean I won't be sitting on the couch yelling "STONE COLD! STONE COLD! BAH GAWD, KEENG, STONE COLD HAS RETURNED!!!" right along with J.R. ;D
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 21, 2007 20:21:39 GMT -5
I don't care one whit about the Lesnar thing honestly. I agree with backstagepowers assessment for the most part, not to that degree, but there's tons of people I like more.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 21, 2007 21:00:56 GMT -5
I do not hate Austin by any means. However, I did also get tired of his act back in 99. It just got stale to me, and I had trouble seeing how people could just keep cheering the guy when he effectively just did the same stuff over and over again.
At this point, I see him as little more than a quick fix for WWE. Austin has made his money, and probably invested it well. He does not need to do anything again for the rest of his life. His many injuries and the effects of simple age advancement have left his ring performances a shadow of what they once where. And, as said before, his act has gotten old. The occassional performance by him is indeed a special event, as he is one of the greatest stars wrestling ever produced. But WWE treats him just as a way to get some more ratings quick and easy. A shame, really.
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Post by salTy on Jan 21, 2007 21:18:16 GMT -5
Austin was the best. Any feeling of nostalgia I get from seeing him is fine with me. I'm not sure that there will ever be another Austin.
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Jan 21, 2007 21:34:38 GMT -5
The only thing I didn't like about Austin was him starting the most annoying catchphrase of all time.
Austin: WHAT?
WWE marks: WHAT?
Austin: WHAT?
WWE marks: WHAT?
Austin: WHAT?
WWE marks: WHAT?
And repeat for infinity
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Jan 21, 2007 21:45:00 GMT -5
I hate him for starting the "What" thing
I hope Monty pounces all you geeks for that.
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Post by Scott on Jan 21, 2007 21:51:43 GMT -5
When a wrestler dominates the company for a long span, and you're only even a moderate fan, the product can become unwatchable very fast.
Case in point: I'm a Cena fan, but if I wasn't, I might be on a Raw sabbatical right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 22:07:32 GMT -5
Last time I checked everyone here constantly dumps on the creative team, Mcmahon and Brock Lesnar.
So Austin at the time stood up to all three and everyone dumps on him too?
Honestly I couldn't really care if Austin comes back for the 57th time and does the same played out schtick again.
But I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of insider and judge him on his personal life and what suppossedly goes on backstage.
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Post by Desi on Jan 21, 2007 22:09:39 GMT -5
Honestly I couldn't really care if Austin comes back for the 57th time and does the same played out schtick again. But I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of insider and judge him on his personal life and what suppossedly goes on backstage.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 21, 2007 22:13:54 GMT -5
Steve Austin is someone who doesn't like to take bullshit from anybody. He's persona in real life is very similar to his on screen character. Steve Austin knows that he is a big star in wrestling. He knows that he shouldn't have to lose to certain people, and should only feud with certain people. Not because he's an egomaniac. But because he's smart.
Take this example. Raven gave this in one of his Secrets of the Ring. When he was in WCW as Scotty Flamingo I think, he was having a match with Ricky Steamboat. And while they were setting up the match, Steamboat would disagree with some of Raven's ideas for moves, because his character wouldn't do that for Raven, and he's right. At that time, Raven was down at the bottom, and Ricky Steamboat was at the top. It's not ego, it's just buisness. Would it be believable if Scotty 2 Hotty started squashing Triple H? Of course not.
Steve Austin when he walked out that first time did it for one reason. Buisness. He knew that it was a mistake for them to have Steve Austin lose in a KOTR qualifying match to Brock Lesnar in an unscheduled match on Raw. Firstly, why is Austin in the KOTR. He already won it, and he doesn't need to be pushed to the next level. He's Steve Austin for god sakes. And secondly, if they were pushing Brock Lesnar as this big star and future main eventer, wouldn't it make more sense to have Austin vs Lesnar at a later time, and then have Austin job to him. Austin had no problems with losing to Lesnar, unless he was built to a certain level.
Steve Austin is a smart man when it comes to wrestling, that's all.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 22:14:27 GMT -5
Last time I checked everyone here constantly dumps on the creative team, Mcmahon and Brock Lesnar. So Austin at the time stood up to all three and everyone dumps on him too? Honestly I couldn't really care if Austin comes back for the 57th time and does the same played out schtick again. But I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of insider and judge him on his personal life and what suppossedly goes on backstage. It's good to stand up to them, certainly I agree wholeheartedly, but not to walk away which was reported (who knows it may not have happened). It's not like they asked him to join the KMA club and lick McMahon's taint on TV or anything.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 22, 2007 1:36:02 GMT -5
It's funny, but I've always had the complete opposite feelings on Austin "walking out". I always took it more as taking a stand against terrible booking because he could. Granted, it sucked that he left, but his reasons were somewhat justified in my opinion. Maybe what Vince and his terrible creative team needs is more people standing up to ridiculous ideas. The Lesnar job made no sense. They just wanted Austin, who was still technically their number one babyface, to do a rudimentary job to Lesnar in the opening round of the King of the Ring tournament on TV. No build-up, no post-match feud. Just a job for no reason. When you look at wrestlers as what they really are, "actors", then find out your character is being killed in the first 15 minutes of a movie for no reason, and with no follow up, I think I'd refuse too. It sucks for the fans, yes, but it was a stupid decision by WWE. As for the Coach job, well, I can't believe there is anyone on Earth who could justify that. Austin's in-ring comeback was a HUGE deal. He hadn't wrestled in almost 3 years, and they wanted him to lose to Coach? Once again, there was no follow up to this "Job", Austin would have just lost, then went back into inactivity. They had no plans to bring JR back, and had no plans for Austin after that match. He was going to be off TV until around Wrestlemania. So, once again, I ask you, if there's absolutely no benefit in having Austin lose, and it leads NOWHERE, why do it? I just don't buy this whole "You have to do what the boss says, no matter what" ideal. Sometimes, bosses and company's need to be made accountable. That's the original reason why Unions were invented. (And for the record, I'm not saying WWE needs to be unionized. Just that I kind of get off on the fact that there's people Vince can't bully into doing stupid things.) [/rant] Sums up my take on the walkouts. And I'll say this again: An Austin or a Rock backstage right now, mentoring or hanging with one of the younger stars (Much like Piper was beginning to do with The Highlanders) would do a WORLD of good for the WWE and RAW in general right now. Tell me you wouldn't like to see Austin mentoring Carlito on the ways to really get at Vince? In that role, he'd be fine. But as an active wrestler....no. I agree with those that say that Austin "Stunnering" current talent does no one any good, and only serves to make the victim of the Stunner look weak in comparison. Ditto for Austin as Michaels' replacement partner against Rated RKO. Unless it leads to Austin letting down Michaels the same way Michaels let him down ( IE in a Retirement Match) there's no way HBK needs to be saddled with a broken down Rattlesnake.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 22, 2007 2:48:13 GMT -5
I don't hate Austin. I found him enjoyable in his prime, and a little past it. However, that doesn't change the fact that when he was asked to lose, having no creative control in his contract, he decided the best course of action was to walk out on the company that made him a HUGE star. Other wrestlers have been victims of bad booking, but they were professionals and did their jobs like they were told. Austin got it in his head that he was too big to job to this guy or that guy without it being the main event of a PPV, so he walked out. If he had done his job like he was told to, and like most wrestlers do, I'd have no problem with him.
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Post by rossamania on Jan 22, 2007 3:46:58 GMT -5
The only thing I didn't like about Austin was him starting the most annoying catchphrase of all time. Austin: WHAT? WWE marks: WHAT? Austin: WHAT? WWE marks: WHAT? Austin: WHAT? WWE marks: WHAT? And repeat for infinity I don't watch too much wrestling on TV anymore. I've been watching a lot of wrestling DVDs instead (mainly WWE legends sets), so I don't really have a problem with whether or not Stone Cold comes back. However, I am watching the Piper's Pits on Piper's set right now, the one at Wrestlemania 21 in fact, and Piper's responses to the WHAT?'s from the marks are pretty funny. "Are you deaf?!" "Try to keep up with me!"
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