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Post by xombiehiphop on Jan 21, 2007 16:30:25 GMT -5
Raven was one hundred percent clean and sober upon entering the WWE so the "personal demon" thing is no excuse.
He did a mini version of the seven storyline on Heat but never got to do the real thing. This is the seven storyline as much as I can remember. It sounds amazing when Raven tells it, but I can't remember all the details.
He got himself into the best shape of his career..constantly came up with idea's..and they released him. No excuses. They dropped the ball with Raven.
I don't think he was used THAT badly in WCW. At least he was always a high mid carder. He was a fricken jobber in the WWE.
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Post by wrath on Jan 21, 2007 16:37:56 GMT -5
Here ya go!
"Since psychological damage lasts longer, he wanted to do that based off of the seven deadly sins. The first three would have been jobbers or guys like Coach, in order to get things started without bogging down in a feud. The fourth one would become a feud, which would last a few months, which would end with Raven losing an “I Quit” match.
You’d think it would end the storyline but he’d then actually come back two weeks later and come in for the fifth sin. The last ones were going to be envy and lust. He wanted take a face like Matt Hardy and show him on a bar in a videotape kissing a girl who isn’t Lita, checking into a hotel with her, etc., all the way up to the shot of the “Do not disturb” sign going on the door. The next shot would be of the aftermath of the night before, with beer bottles and condom wrappers abound, then pulling back to show Raven consoling Lita. While he would be consoling her, he would be feeling on her and trying to kiss her but she’s too busy sobbing. It would come out later that Matt didn’t actually do it. The next week, he’d be gone while Hardy would be trying to find him for revenge. The week after, Raven would have Lita in the ring and insist on playing the tape again because, while Matt’s sin was lust, Raven’s was envy because he was envious of Matt’s perfect life and perfect girlfiend and so forth.
Immediately after saying that he was guilty of envy, he’d act like his soul was purged despite completely screwing over all those other people. Matt would beat the piss out of Raven, Lita would knock Matt out with an international object, and Lita would leave with Raven. He’d then feud with Matt and it would turn out that Lita had cheated on Matt first and that their relationship was already in trouble but that Matt had been trying as hard as he could to hold it together. Raven booked it out to be a six month program with at least two major feuds within that time but he was later asked by Stephanie McMahon where he would go afterwards. Raven felt that he’d be made by that storyline for life at that point and that they wouldn’t NEED to find other sins to have programs on."
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 21, 2007 23:23:35 GMT -5
I wonder what would've happened if Raven stayed with E in 1994 and took over creative(he wanted to be a full time wrestler but Vince wanted him to be a writer)
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 22, 2007 0:24:23 GMT -5
Here ya go! "Since psychological damage lasts longer, he wanted to do that based off of the seven deadly sins. The first three would have been jobbers or guys like Coach, in order to get things started without bogging down in a feud. The fourth one would become a feud, which would last a few months, which would end with Raven losing an “I Quit” match. You’d think it would end the storyline but he’d then actually come back two weeks later and come in for the fifth sin. The last ones were going to be envy and lust. He wanted take a face like Matt Hardy and show him on a bar in a videotape kissing a girl who isn’t Lita, checking into a hotel with her, etc., all the way up to the shot of the “Do not disturb” sign going on the door. The next shot would be of the aftermath of the night before, with beer bottles and condom wrappers abound, then pulling back to show Raven consoling Lita. While he would be consoling her, he would be feeling on her and trying to kiss her but she’s too busy sobbing. It would come out later that Matt didn’t actually do it. The next week, he’d be gone while Hardy would be trying to find him for revenge. The week after, Raven would have Lita in the ring and insist on playing the tape again because, while Matt’s sin was lust, Raven’s was envy because he was envious of Matt’s perfect life and perfect girlfiend and so forth. Immediately after saying that he was guilty of envy, he’d act like his soul was purged despite completely screwing over all those other people. Matt would beat the piss out of Raven, Lita would knock Matt out with an international object, and Lita would leave with Raven. He’d then feud with Matt and it would turn out that Lita had cheated on Matt first and that their relationship was already in trouble but that Matt had been trying as hard as he could to hold it together. Raven booked it out to be a six month program with at least two major feuds within that time but he was later asked by Stephanie McMahon where he would go afterwards. Raven felt that he’d be made by that storyline for life at that point and that they wouldn’t NEED to find other sins to have programs on." I dunno about the rest of you, but I'd love that to be the focus of RAW instead of the tired Cena/DX/Vince triumvirate we've endured over the last eight months. So when you say the ABOVE idea is stupid, judge it against what we've been given in the last half a year. Then decide.
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Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Jan 22, 2007 0:49:18 GMT -5
The seven deadly sins angle would have been interesting to watch... thought provoking, long term booking, giving a young guy in Matt Hardy a platform to advance up the card... what isn't there to like.
But WWe really missed the boat in a Raven/Taker feud to see who's darker. I never thought Ravens flock got tiresome. I thought it would have been neat to see a new flock started in WWe then a feud w/ Taker.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 22, 2007 0:53:44 GMT -5
They took one of the most psychological heel wrestlings of all time and turned him into a joker who brought a cart full of garbage to the ring like some hobo.
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Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Jan 22, 2007 1:02:00 GMT -5
Another cool idea would have been a "Seven Deadly Sins Series" of seven gimmick matches pertaining to each of the seven sins: Pride: "I Quit" Match, Wrath:First Blood Match, Sloth:Last Man Standing Match, etc.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 22, 2007 1:17:33 GMT -5
So we would have:
PRIDE: I Quit match WRATH: Hell In a Cell match SLOTH: Last Man Standing match. ENVY: First Blood Match GREED: Ladder Match GLUTTONY: Iron Man Match LUST: Inferno Match
Sound about right?
Great idea, mongobeefhead.
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Post by joeman on Jan 22, 2007 1:43:26 GMT -5
The seven deadly sins angle would have been interesting to watch... thought provoking, long term booking, giving a young guy in Matt Hardy a platform to advance up the card... what isn't there to like. But WWe really missed the boat in a Raven/Taker feud to see who's darker. I never thought Ravens flock got tiresome. I thought it would have been neat to see a new flock started in WWe then a feud w/ Taker. If Raven came before 99 or after 2004, then his fued with the Undertaker might have happened.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 22, 2007 2:01:43 GMT -5
Which was the better stable, Taker's Ministry or Raven's Flock?
That right there is one tough question......
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