Why do people complain about annoying heels?

[Rocky Angle]

I mean seriously, they are supposed to be annoying. Yes, that includes Johnny Nitro and Melina. It even includes Randy Orton. Too many people here go on about how über smarkish they are, then go on about how they can't stand their attitudes and style.

Fair enough if you don't like their performances, but saying a heel sucks because you find their character annoying is just retarded. Randy Orton would be a bad heel if he came across as likeable and friendly. But he's a good heel because he comes across as a total cock.

Everyone agree? Good.

[Tha Kid Joker]

rockyangle said:

Everyone agree? Good.

You... didn't give me enough time to answer...

['Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada]

Well ... the logic goes that if you don't find them cool or funny, they suck.

I don't pay any attention to that. I just know that I like some guys and don't like others. That's the long and short of it. I don't worry if Carlito is a good 'face' or 'heel', because I just don't like Carlito. Likewise, I don't care if Orton isn't a 'great heel', because I like some aspects of him.

It's just another way of putting labels on someone so you can praise/criticize them, and have a reason more valid than 'well I just like/don't like them'.

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I agree. Guys like Edge(and Orton or Nitro, as you mentioned), do get over as heels because of being "The heels you want to punch in the face." That's the correct way for a wrestler to be a heel. Otherwise, if they were badass heels, they'd be cheered, a'la HHH around Wrestlemania. They're just doing their jobs right. Particularly Edge. And this manner is the way that the "Super Fit" heels have to get over. Because if they didn't, they'd be too popular with women(guys like Orton or Nitro, in particular). But since they do, they get all-around heel heat.

[mo]

much of the faces annoy me even more

[Dynamic Dee]

In the mid-late 90s heels started acting cooler than the faces. The nWo did this and was cheered over the WCW guys alot of times. The Rock and Stone Cold were also examples of heels that were "too cool" to get booed on a regular basis. A good heel shouldn't be doing things that the fans like. They should be going out of their way to get booed.

[maxx420]

A friend of mine used to go on & on about how much he HATED Chris Jericho during his Undisputed title reign. Another friend & I were pointing out that Jericho was the heel & you're SUPPOSED to hate him, but the guy just wasn't getting it.

However, there is such a thing as X-Pac Heat.

[Dave the Dave]

I agree. CAN I GET A HOO RAH!?

[MGH]

Because "good heels" get you to tune in and want to see them die.

"Annoying heels" or annoying characters in general will make you change the channel. I turn off Smackdown during Miz segments, they f'n suck.

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

I complain about heels sometimes because I am still a mark in a lot of ways. I am a smark in the sense that I read up on all the backstage stuff, and I know way more about the business than your average mainstream fan. But with that in mind, I still suspend reality and allow myself to believe in what is happening. I still say "good guy" and "bad guy". I still root for my favorites as I watch the match, even though I know that the winner was already determined a long time ago.

Having said all this though, I actually like Johnny Nitro and Randy Orton to a certain degree. I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong with allowing yourself to be a mark once in a while.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

Good heel: Bret Hart during the Hart Foundation of 1997. You DESPERATELY wanted to see Stone Cold and HBK get ahold of him and just dismantle him. "Disliked" due to his great heel character.

Bad heel: Randy Orton. Disliked because he's a geniune jerkoff. You'd rather change the channel than watch him, even if its to watch him lose.

["IcePic" Rick Cobos]

mygreatesthour said:

Because "good heels" get you to tune in and want to see them die.

"Annoying heels" or annoying characters in general will make you change the channel. I turn off Smackdown during Miz segments, they f'n suck.

Exactly, there's a fine line that separates the two groups of heels, and it can be very easy to overstep that line.

[Boomaga]

If I don't want to watch you, period, you're a bad heel. I don't want to watch Johnny Nitro. Maybe when he learns moves, then I'll want to, but a spinaroonie legdrop... not so much.

[Rocky Angle]

lenny said:

I complain about heels sometimes because I am still a mark in a lot of ways.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the same way. Most of my wrestler likes and dislikes are not for smarky reasons. I guess what annoys me is people who go on and on about how much certain guys sucks, and criticise them for very marky reasons while wearing their smark hat.

If that makes any sense at all.

And damn, I didn't realise that by making this thread I was indirectly praising the Miz. He doesn't count because I'm a hypocrite.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Annoying heels" or annoying characters in general will make you change the channel. I turn off Smackdown during Miz segments, they f'n suck.

Agreed. There's a difference in the ol' Horsemen, I dislike you and will pay to see your get your comeuppance... and the Miz/KFed/ whoever, I dislike you and will run to the fridge and get a soda and then see what's on History Channel for a lil bit.

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boomaga said:

If I don't want to watch you, period, you're a bad heel. I don't want to watch Johnny Nitro. Maybe when he learns moves, then I'll want to, but a spinaroonie legdrop... not so much.

Learns moves? What, like he can't do any decent moves? His moveset is fine. Plenty big, too.

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rockyangle said:

lenny said:

I complain about heels sometimes because I am still a mark in a lot of ways.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the same way. Most of my wrestler likes and dislikes are not for smarky reasons. I guess what annoys me is people who go on and on about how much certain guys sucks, and criticise them for very marky reasons while wearing their smark hat.

I think the best example of that is when they started working angles around Edge boning Lita.

[Kevin Hamilton]

I still think it's a lil weird people started hating their characters cuz of that.

[wwerules60]

I think Vince Mcmahon is the best heel, he makes both marks and smarks hate him and think he is a crazy old Mr. Burns type guy for real.

[EvilShadow76]

I don't even find the heels on Raw to be annoying in a good way. For me it's pretty much the old get the f*** off my screen deal because they're not interesting. You have Edge as the ultra-angry former face who blames the fans for everything wrong in his life, Orton who's generic cocky heel #999,999, and Nitro who's another boring snobbish character. None of these characters interest me in the slightest.

The best heel they've had in several years would have to be Bradshaw. I tuned into see anyone kick his ass back in 2004 etc because he knew how to push the right buttons.