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Post by The Boss on Feb 22, 2007 17:29:58 GMT -5
Didn't Hogan do his own company before? I think he was a co-owner of XWF with Jimmy Hart and Greg Valentine. No. Jimmy Hart and Brian Knobs co-owned the XWF. HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN only made a one time appearence to help sell the promotion to television. Unfortunetly they didn't have the finances they needed to get the promotion off the ground. Too bad. It was a fantastic promotion. Get the DVD if you don't have it already. |
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Feb 22, 2007 17:30:28 GMT -5
Except Hulk Hogan. He is the ONLY one. And Vince should understand that. It's waxing Hulk Hogan. He IS the Spectacle of Pro Wrestling. Very few, if any can put on the spectacle like Hogan. this man has a point.............if it were still 1985 If Hogan came out and got hardly any kind of POP I'd say yes. But he still blows the roof off whenever he appears. |
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Post by MGH on Feb 22, 2007 17:31:05 GMT -5
this man has a point.............if it were still 1985 If Hogan came out and got hardly any kind of POP I'd say yes. But he still blows the roof off whenever he appears. And some of us watching at home should care about that ....why? |
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Post by akkountent on Feb 22, 2007 17:32:01 GMT -5
Except Hulk Hogan. He is the ONLY one. And Vince should understand that. It's waxing Hulk Hogan. He IS the Spectacle of Pro Wrestling. Very few, if any can put on the spectacle like Hogan. this man has a point.............if it were still 1985 Exactly. After Hogan left the WW(F) in '93, the only things that he could possibly do that could draw interest were to turn heel and have a "dream match" with a way-over Attitude Era star. It's all been done. Hogan at WM 23 adds nothing to the card. |
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Feb 22, 2007 17:33:37 GMT -5
If Hogan was involved in the Trump match it would be all over the place. Trust Me.
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Post by The Boss on Feb 22, 2007 17:34:17 GMT -5
this man has a point.............if it were still 1985 If Hogan came out and got hardly any kind of POP I'd say yes. But he still blows the roof off whenever he appears. Add to that the fact that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is still the #1 draw. Vince makes more money when HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is on the card. |
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Post by akkountent on Feb 22, 2007 17:36:04 GMT -5
It already is all over the place. Yahoo.com, ESPN's Mike & Mike in the Morning, etc etc. It's already being talked about in the mainstream; adding Hogan does nothing but add ridiculousness to the match because many people who don't watch pro-wrestling will be like, "geez, it Hogan still wrestling? I remember watchig him vs. King Kong Bundy back when I was in college?"
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Post by balmudo on Feb 22, 2007 17:37:17 GMT -5
Nah, Wrestlemania 16....17, whatever. That was after that one match where Earthquake springboarded off of Jake The Snake's back and did a Shooting Star Press on Hogan. |
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Post by anticonscience on Feb 22, 2007 17:38:15 GMT -5
plus with all this media attention you want to display some of the more popular up and coming talent, not somebody who everybody knows already and just plain doesn't have it anymore. You want to make new stars with this instead of making it nothing but nostalgia.
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Feb 22, 2007 17:41:54 GMT -5
plus with all this media attention you want to display some of the more popular up and coming talent, not somebody who everybody knows already and just plain doesn't have it anymore. You want to make new stars with this instead of making it nothing but nostalgia. Yup, because doing that for the past 5 years has really helped wrestling. It's todays "Stars" who don't have it,Hogan still and will always "Have It". Thats what wrestling is lacking..Nostalgia. What do you think caused the 90's boom??? |
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Post by akkountent on Feb 22, 2007 17:45:19 GMT -5
plus with all this media attention you want to display some of the more popular up and coming talent, not somebody who everybody knows already and just plain doesn't have it anymore. You want to make new stars with this instead of making it nothing but nostalgia. Yup, because doing that for the past 5 years has really helped wrestling. It's todays "Stars" who don't have it,Hogan still and will always "Have It". Thats what wrestling is lacking..Nostalgia. What do you think caused the 90's boom??? The "original" DX. |
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Post by The Boss on Feb 22, 2007 17:46:06 GMT -5
this man has a point.............if it were still 1985 Exactly. After Hogan left the WW(F) in '93, the only things that he could possibly do that could draw interest were to turn heel and have a "dream match" with a way-over Attitude Era star. It's all been done. Hogan at WM 23 adds nothing to the card. What the hell are you talking about? WCW's popularity began to grow from the moment HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN arrived. He single handedly turned WCW into the monster promotion that it became. By the time HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN turned heel he had already taken WCW from a distant second promotion that few casual fans watched, to a major promotion that was looked upon as the WWF's equal if not superior. WCW was big enough to go head to head with the WWF's #1 program and from the very first show was trading victories with the WWF. That's a hell of an accomplishment. Turning heel was just the icing on the cake that put them over the top. Because the heel turn got so much attention people tend to think that's the only reason WCW became popular. But the two years prior to that saw WCW grow into a major promotion. In fact it was during these years when the boom of the 90s actually started. Before Nitro, Monday Night RAW's ratings averaged approx. 3.6. Once Nitro debuted those ratings dropped to 2.5 with Nitro averaging about the same for a total of 5.0 showing pro wrestling viewership had actually increased. |
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Feb 22, 2007 17:46:15 GMT -5
Yup, because doing that for the past 5 years has really helped wrestling. It's todays "Stars" who don't have it,Hogan still and will always "Have It". Thats what wrestling is lacking..Nostalgia. What do you think caused the 90's boom??? The "original" DX. WRONG! It was the WCW bringing in all the former WWF guys. |
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Post by anticonscience on Feb 22, 2007 17:47:29 GMT -5
plus with all this media attention you want to display some of the more popular up and coming talent, not somebody who everybody knows already and just plain doesn't have it anymore. You want to make new stars with this instead of making it nothing but nostalgia. Yup, because doing that for the past 5 years has really helped wrestling. It's todays "Stars" who don't have it,Hogan still and will always "Have It". Thats what wrestling is lacking..Nostalgia. What do you think caused the 90's boom??? letting wrestling evolve instead of being held back by the same old way things were done since the 80s? Stone Cold, DX, and the nWo Call me Dr. Kevorkian because sometimes you need to do a little euthanizing and at this point Hogan needs to be put down like a rabid dog. His ego is so big that he thinks he needs to get paid more than everybody else on the card, people who have busted their asses for months building up for the show instead of Hogan who shows up a few weeks before once his check clears. And then refusing to put ANYBODY over, even when he has a bad knee that's so bad that he can barely walk to the ring. Yes Hogan once was the man but he drank too much of his own kool-aid and buys into his own hype almost as bad as the Warrior. Sure he still gets big pops but is it worth sacrificing so much for it? I don't think so. |
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Post by The Boss on Feb 22, 2007 17:47:45 GMT -5
It already is all over the place. Yahoo.com, ESPN's Mike & Mike in the Morning, etc etc. It's already being talked about in the mainstream; adding Hogan does nothing but add ridiculousness to the match because many people who don't watch pro-wrestling will be like, "geez, it Hogan still wrestling? I remember watchig him vs. King Kong Bundy back when I was in college?" But those casual fans still tune in to see him. Without HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN they don't. |
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Post by anticonscience on Feb 22, 2007 17:49:28 GMT -5
Exactly. After Hogan left the WW(F) in '93, the only things that he could possibly do that could draw interest were to turn heel and have a "dream match" with a way-over Attitude Era star. It's all been done. Hogan at WM 23 adds nothing to the card. What the hell are you talking about? WCW's popularity began to grow from the moment HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN arrived. He single handedly turned WCW into the monster promotion that it became. By the time HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN turned heel he had already taken WCW from a distant second promotion that few casual fans watched, to a major promotion that was looked upon as the WWF's equal if not superior. WCW was big enough to go head to head with the WWF's #1 program and from the very first show was trading victories with the WWF. That's a hell of an accomplishment. Turning heel was just the icing on the cake that put them over the top. Because the heel turn got so much attention people tend to think that's the only reason WCW became popular. But the two years prior to that saw WCW grow into a major promotion. In fact it was during these years when the boom of the 90s actually started. Before Nitro, Monday Night RAW's ratings averaged approx. 3.6. Once Nitro debuted those ratings dropped to 2.5 with Nitro averaging about the same for a total of 5.0 showing pro wrestling viewership had actually increased. I'll give you that one. Hogan turning heel was a big part of it since he was a face for so long and so iconic as a face that him as a bad guy was just shocking. But Hogan wasn't the entire nWo, he had Hall and Nash there and those guys were quite popular at the time as well. And the way they were booked was different than most stables around at the time, especially once Bischoff joined and they were in control |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2007 17:50:47 GMT -5
Thats what wrestling is lacking..Nostalgia. What do you think caused the 90's boom??? You're right, I forgot about everyone clamoring for Hogan to return to his heel roots and go back to his most successful character Sterling Golden, Steve Austin take on Vince McMahon in a Wrestlemania 3 rematch, Sting waiting in rafters like he did in the 80s or, the nWo revive the spirit of when the AWA invaded the WWF. Wait....none of that happened before the 90s. So maybe, it was the original idea and fresh stars that did it. |
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Post by oltrelamorte on Feb 22, 2007 17:53:09 GMT -5
Vince made the right choice. Wow.
Go away, Hogan. There are plenty of guys better than you & that deserve a better payday than you. You skulleted old coot.
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Post by The Boss on Feb 22, 2007 17:53:24 GMT -5
plus with all this media attention you want to display some of the more popular up and coming talent, not somebody who everybody knows already and just plain doesn't have it anymore. You want to make new stars with this instead of making it nothing but nostalgia. Making new stars? Never in the history of pro wrestling have the wrestlers meant any less than the Trump/McMahon match. The focus is on Trump and McMahon. Even the ECW and IC titles are being ignored. And now even the referee ("Stinko" Steve) will over shadow the wrestlers. What's he there for anyway? Dare I say it? Nostalgia. |
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Post by akkountent on Feb 22, 2007 17:55:34 GMT -5
plus with all this media attention you want to display some of the more popular up and coming talent, not somebody who everybody knows already and just plain doesn't have it anymore. You want to make new stars with this instead of making it nothing but nostalgia. Making new stars? Never in the history of pro wrestling have the wrestlers meant any less than the Trump/McMahon match. The focus is on Trump and McMahon. Even the ECW and IC titles are being ignored. And now even the referee ("Stinko" Steve) will over shadow the wrestlers. What's he there for anyway? Dare I say it? Nostalgia. He's there because he's got a movie coming out in April and WM is a forum of exposure to the masses to hype it. |
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