The Problem With Wrestling

[Rockhound]

I think I kinda figured out why wrestling is so bad anymore. Bad writers/bookers aside, the main problem is the talent itself. What do I mean you ask? Just take a look at the WWE roster:

Carlito
Kenny Dykstra(and the rest of the Spirit Squad for that matter)
Cena
Randy Orton
Edge
MNM

The list goes on and on. How many times(believe me there is a point coming on) have you heard J.R. go on about one of these guys being the "Youngest" so and so. How many of these guys have paid their dues outside of OVW? None. The company goes out and finds these young kids with some athletic ability, put them in OVW for a while, then bring them up to the big time and these guys are as green as grass. They all have maybe 5 moves to their repetoir and that's it and it shows by fan reaction. Am I wrong?

[heffer111]

theyre all over, so ya, i say you are wrong

[mrpink]

Well take Edge off that list and I agree with 100%.

[Rockhound]

mrpink said:

Well take Edge off that list and I agree with 100%.

I only put Edge on there because he didn't exactly tour the indy circuit. I'm wondering though, is this the future of wrestling? Production line wrestlers?

Oh, and thank you for putting my picture as your avatar.

[Godhand]

I dont like the system wwe has right now. I can understand why they do it tough. This way they start the wrestler off from scratch, they can make the wrestler however the wwe wants instead of having to educate an indy wrestler on how to do things wwe style. Most wrestlers signed by wwe indy or not have to go through ovw or dsw for a while anyway. Still you lose life experiances and work ethic that comes from busting your as on the indies for many years before making it big.

[angryfan]

Kinda puzzled by some of the names that made the list, as well as some that didn't.

I think a big probem is the relative age of the main event (or for that matter anybody getting major TV time) compared to relative inexperience.

Compare the two men in the RAW main event for much of 2006, Edge and Cena.

Edge is 34, but has been on the road since 1993, working all over the place.

Cena is 30, and started in 2001. Six years of experience.

Look at what's brewing on Smack Down.

Taker and big Dave are heading to a Mania match. Once again, a vet with a "young guy" right?

Taker's closing in on his 45th birthday, but has been in the business for 19 years, and by all accunts is winding his career down.

Batista's 41, with less than half of the experience of Taker, all of it with WWE.

[Big DSR Energy]

MNM

Nitro I can see, but Mercury (aka Joey Matthews) was pretty much an indy veteran before getting picked up by WWE.

[Mitch 4:20]

angryfan said:

acvaginas

Acvaginas???

[The Captain]

rockhound said:

The list goes on and on. How many times(believe me there is a point coming on) have you heard J.R. go on about one of these guys being the "Youngest" so and so. How many of these guys have paid their dues outside of OVW? None. The company goes out and finds these young kids with some athletic ability, put them in OVW for a while, then bring them up to the big time and these guys are as green as grass. They all have maybe 5 moves to their repetoir and that's it and it shows by fan reaction. Am I wrong?

Let's take a look at some of these names and see what they've done outside of the WWE and its developmental territories.

Carlito

Son of Puerto Rico wrestling legend Carlos Colon. Wrestled with the Puerto Rican World Wrestling Council since 1999 and is an 11 time WWC Heavyweight Champion.

Cena

Before being signed to the WWE, started wrestling for UPW in 2000. Worked matches with Samoa Joe, among others. His father, John Cena Sr., is also a local promoter in New England.

Randy Orton

Third generation wrestler. Started working the St. Louis indy scene in 2000.

Edge

Edge is a ring veteran and worked MANY independent feds in Ontario and the Great Lakes region during the 90's before signing with the WWF in 1998. (Fun fact: Sex and Violence, the slogan on the Rated R "sperm" shirt was a tag team he was in during his indy days with Joe Legend)

MNM

While Nitro was more or less made by Tough Enough, Joey Mercury wrestled as Joey Matthews and was even in the old ECW during its dying days, not to mention ROH and even TNA. He's definitely made the rounds as far as indy feds go.

[HMARK Center]

While some of the names on this list don't apply, the overriding point isn't a bad one, either. Simply signing a guy who "looks good", shipping him to OVW for a few months, then slapping a silly gimmick on him and saying "Alright, get over" isn't exactly a sound policy.

[Big DSR Energy]

scoopdogg said:

angryfan said:

acvaginas

Acvaginas???

Someone misspelled "accounts."

[angryfan]

dsr said:

scoopdogg said:

Acvaginas???

Someone misspelled "accounts."

Heh, um, oops.

[KingPopper]

Batista and Masters should be on that list. But anyways it's a bad system, playing your dues is the bad bone of the wrestling business. Look at Lesnar, even though I mark hard for the guy, he had never wrestled before coming to OVW, in fact WWE paid him 30,000 just to come train with them. Of course Lesnar was a rocket to stardome, but he got burned out and left. If he knew how hard it was sleeping in cars, making 20 bucks a show, he might have had a better respect for the sport.

[Red 'n' Black Reggie]

rockhound said:

mrpink said:

Well take Edge off that list and I agree with 100%.

I only put Edge on there because he didn't exactly tour the indy circuit. I'm wondering though, is this the future of wrestling? Production line wrestlers?

Oh, and thank you for putting my picture as your avatar.

actually, edge went all over the place in canada, and i think he went to mexico too.

[Joekishi]

rockhound said:

mrpink said:

Well take Edge off that list and I agree with 100%.

I only put Edge on there because he didn't exactly tour the indy circuit. I'm wondering though, is this the future of wrestling? Production line wrestlers?

Ya see Edge was touring the indie circuit same as Rhino, Christian, and Val Venis..

John Cena was picked up from UPW same as Chris Masters, because well they had a great look, and in Cena's case great charisma.

Why does one have to "toil" in the indies?

Look at Kurt Angle, barely any time in USWA or any indie for that matter, in fact the closest he's been to wrestling for an indie is his current stint for TNA.

Of course you people do know that "paying your dues"= getting stiffed by older guys to get humbled into doing the business way of things.

What Hardcore Holly did to Capotelli happens almost all the time in training, it's part of that old school you're here to learn not to be a movie star kind of thing.

[Person With A Hat]

basicboogeynomix said:

Of course you people do know that "paying your dues"= getting stiffed by older guys to get humbled into doing the business way of things.

Iron Shiek, get the f*** out of my head.

[nisi]

WWE does have a history of pushing young guys too fast, although this list does not exactly demonstrate that. I like Kenny myself, and they haven't really overpushed him yet as far as I can see.

[Deleted]

In an effort of saying anything that hasn't already been said, when Stone Cold and the Rock were on top was anyone really hampered by their reigns because they were uncertain what dues they paid pre-WWE?

It really doesn't bother me, I don't see why it should bother anyone, if you don't like them, then there's your reason for not liking them, I'd have no more appreciation for a guy like Orton than I already have now if his time before WWE was spent in a few indy feds, which I'm sure he has, I just don't know his history.

[Rockhound]

nichotine said:

In an effort of saying anything that hasn't already been said, when Stone Cold and the Rock were on top was anyone really hampered by their reigns because they were uncertain what dues they paid pre-WWE?

It really doesn't bother me, I don't see why it should bother anyone, if you don't like them, then there's your reason for not liking them, I'd have no more appreciation for a guy like Orton than I already have now if his time before WWE was spent in a few indy feds, which I'm sure he has, I just don't know his history.

Stone Cold paid his dues, so to speak. He wrestled Chris Adams' USWA for a couple of years before he went to WCW. As for the Rock, I guess you don't remember the "Die, Rocky, Die" comments when he was given the IC title after only 2 or 3 months.

Why does one have to "toil" in the indies?

The point I'm trying to make is that "toiling" in the minors(for the lack of a better term) gives a wrestler a chance to hone their skills so they don't blow spot after spot or at least give them a chance to learn more than a few moves.

Oh, and Kenny Dykstra didn't get a real push? He was a tag champ after what, 3 weeks? I'd call that a push.

[Avalanche Alvarez]

rockhound said:

I think I kinda figured out why wrestling is so bad anymore. Bad writers/bookers aside, the main problem is the talent itself. What do I mean you ask? Just take a look at the WWE roster:

Carlito
Kenny Dykstra(and the rest of the Spirit Squad for that matter)
Cena
Randy Orton
Edge
MNM

The list goes on and on. How many times(believe me there is a point coming on) have you heard J.R. go on about one of these guys being the "Youngest" so and so. How many of these guys have paid their dues outside of OVW? None. The company goes out and finds these young kids with some athletic ability, put them in OVW for a while, then bring them up to the big time and these guys are as green as grass. They all have maybe 5 moves to their repetoir and that's it and it shows by fan reaction. Am I wrong?

Disagree.
The list of wrestlers you mention, EVEN WITH CENA and his limited repetoire of moves are hard workers.
It's the quality of the matches and the opponents they have to face that's the problem.
The writers ARE the problem.
They're using old ideas, schlocky gimmicks, and are stuck with three rosters and wrestlers that continually wrestle each other week after week and bore us to f***ing tears.

Solution:

*New writers
*Dissolve the brands
*Advance more wrestlers from OVW and DSW

Make it new, fresh and interesting already!