Settling this - should end the whining

[A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto)]

pfmc said:

godz said:

I basically agree with everything Clifford says, and would like to add in:

Who the f*** still BUYS Playboy?!

like i need to see airbrushed supermodels when there are terabytes of hardcore pornography waiting at my fingertips

god bless the interweb!

Amen

cactusmatt said:

bushwanker said:

Old ladies, dead babies, lesbians, fat male strippers and gold painted gays

LOL. Yeah, it's everything but a WRESTLING show, nowadays.

[Deleted]

theboss said:

bushwanker said:

2 - End the brand extension

Two brands means twice as many rosters, twice as many house shows, twice as many touring groups. TWICE AS MUCH PROFIT. WWE can still do International tours with one brand, while the other does shows in the USA. Not possible with only one brand. WWE will therefore ignore the poor quality of Smackdown, the lack of depth and the poor rosters because two brands MAKES MONEY.

Then why doesn't Vince rename Smackdown "WCW"? With WCW's name, and library (and history) in his hands he could make twice as much money marketing two top brands rather than what is considered the WWF B-brand.

CW/UPN/Spike will not let him and he doesn't want to. When he got WCW, he went to Spike about them hosting a WCW branded show and they flat out refused since WCW failed. UPN didn't want Smackdown changing since it was an established name, doing great in the ratings and WCW was a failure. Why restart a failure? Do you remember the crowd reaction when they held just one match under the WCW name? It was horrible and the fans shit all over it. That was the last we will see of WCW outside of DVDs and books.

And before this gets brought up, ECW was reborn because in the fans eyes it wasn't a failure. They just ran out of money and were screwed by TNN/Spike TV.

[Bobafett]

bushwanker said:

I'm gonna cut to the chase. WWE is in business to MAKE MONEY. nothing else. It's not there to honor history, legacies, continuity or respectability. It's there to MAKE MONEY. Got it?

Hulk Hogan once defined a mark as "someone who thinks decisions in wrestling are made for a reason other than profit". I'd say he has it down perfectly. So with that in mind, let's shoot down all the things marks and smarks complain about, and why you'll never see them:

1 - Playboy pillow fights at WrestleMania while talented guys like RVD are kept off the card.

IT MAKES MONEY. WWE has an annual deal with Playboy to showcase a diva at Wrestlemania time. Therefore, it makes sense to have that particular diva in a prominent role on the show. If Ashley winning the title at Mania brings more focus to the Playboy mag, then it's adios Mickie James. Because Playboy MAKES MONEY

2 - End the brand extension

Two brands means twice as many rosters, twice as many house shows, twice as many touring groups. TWICE AS MUCH PROFIT. WWE can still do International tours with one brand, while the other does shows in the USA. Not possible with only one brand. WWE will therefore ignore the poor quality of Smackdown, the lack of depth and the poor rosters because two brands MAKES MONEY.

3 Get the divas off my TV/Quit releasing Diva DVDs, etc

Check the numbers - they make money

4 Make PPVs more special by bringing them back down to 5 a year. It'll make them more important like the good old days!

14 PPVs make 14 times more money than 1. or even 5. WWE will continue to milk as many PPVs as possible because they have a core contingent of fans who will buy every PPV even if the main event is Nathan Jones vs Kahli. So all they need to do is win over the 'excess population'. Simply put, more PPVs MAKES MONEY - regardless of quality of the show.

5 Let Undertaker keep his legacy - he deserves it!!

WWE could give a crap who deserves what. If Taker losing his legacy to Batista or Orton means the potential of a sizzling summer long feud while Taker get revenge, culminating in a white hot SummerSlam blow off, WWE will do it because it MAKES MONEY. To hell with Taker's legacy...it's about the house show crowds, the TV ratings and the buy rates.

6 - WWE should make a DVD set for Dynamite Kid!! He deserves it!!!

LMFAO. Like WWE releases DVD sets based on who deserves something. You don't market a product based as a tribute to someone's career. They have Hall of Fame and other bogus things for that. DVDs are marketed based on what will sell..based on what MAKES MONEY. That's why you have about 50,000 John Cena and rey Mysterio shirts to choose from, but none for Kenny Dykstra.


I could go on, but I'm bored. Hopefully you get the idea. If you think WWE makes decisions based on anything other than profit, you need to get your ass out of your parents basements, or your college dorm, and enter the real world where it's all about the MUNNY.

Peace out!

1- Fans go to see wrestling not playboy crap, sure it makes money, but there could be other ways to make it and if they had to have it..they should take time off skits n stuff..NOT matches for it

2- I think they need to do something with the extension..not finish it.but maybe rebrand SD! int0 WCW

3- its wrestling not prono

4- simple charge more for the less amount of ppvs, by having ppvs every month it means the fans have to pay every month, not every fan can afford that

5- Undertakers legacy is in such a way it should only ever be broken to put over a major new talent, it makes good BUISNESS sense

6- the way youre saying that you'd think you would slasgh the tyres to Kids wheelchair for craps and giggles, WWE has the footage of the matches..plus guys for example Dynamite, ever thought that it would get lots of interest in the UK, exposure is everything

Money is one thing, but if WWE keeps doing stupid stuff theh fewer people will watch and ths less money

[A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto)]

"Money is one thing, but if WWE keeps doing stupid stuff theh fewer people will watch and ths less money"

I hope you are right about that.

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

Whatever happened to Bosom?

[skskillz]

I agree with most of what the original poster said, except I think there was a bit too much hyperbole in there.

I've been saying for months, the WWE doesn't care anymore. They've been getting 3.5+ ratings since the end of 2002 despite producing the most mind numbing stupidity in wrestling history. They somehow persuaded 90,000 people to buy D2D despite only advertising one match (that stunk even on paper). They've done passable buyrates despite a complete oversaturation of the product. In other words, the WWE knows they have a monopoly on the business, and they know there are enough core fans out there to make a profit in the current landscape. Now, all of that can change with competition, but that's not very likely barring Ted Turner or another billionaire buying TNA.

With that said, I don't think it's wrong to question the decision making. The last Nitro/Raw combined drew a 7.7 rating. Nowadays, the WWE is lucky to draw 4.0, and generally hover around 3.5. In essence, they KILLED half (or more than half) of the total wrestling fanbase in a span of two years (the decline started in 2003). All that's left is the diehards. They might be making a profit now, but that has more to do with their name and the monopoly they have over the business.

In mid-2005, I had enough. I had enough of the WWE, TNA, and the current wrestling landscape in general. So I stopped watching completely. Haven't watched a second of any wrestling company since. I stick to watching my old WWF tapes from the '80's or early '90's. That's really the only way to get through to them, but honestly, they have so many core fans that any diehards who leave will be replaced rather quickly. This isn't 1995 anymore. Wrestling reached such a plateau in the late-90's that we likely will never see a mid-90's situation again. The core has stayed through the rough times and will likely never go away.

[Bushwanker]

Sorry Fett, but you have just slipped into the naive smark "I tune into WWE to see Wrestling" brigade. They are equal to the "I read Entertainment Weekly in the hopes of discussing the theories of Einstein and Hawke".

WWE has never been more than 50% about in ring action. NEVER. In the 80s it was Fuji Vice, Vachon's wedding, Gookers, and Steamboat becoming a ninja. Attitude was all about Mae Young, crucifixions, HLA, Edge going nuts in subways, Patterson in drag, etc.

WWE is just as much about Big Dick Johnson, Mae Young's boobs and Katie Vick as it is about takedowns and grapevines. And until you, and the others complaining for "wrestling" realise that, you will continue to be disappointed and have to force feed yourself a weekly show that you don't enjoy.

[hollywood]

bushwanker said:

I'm gonna cut to the chase. WWE is in business to MAKE MONEY. nothing else. It's not there to honor history, legacies, continuity or respectability. It's there to MAKE MONEY. Got it?

Hulk Hogan once defined a mark as "someone who thinks decisions in wrestling are made for a reason other than profit". I'd say he has it down perfectly. So with that in mind, let's shoot down all the things marks and smarks complain about, and why you'll never see them:

1 - Playboy pillow fights at WrestleMania while talented guys like RVD are kept off the card.

IT MAKES MONEY. WWE has an annual deal with Playboy to showcase a diva at Wrestlemania time. Therefore, it makes sense to have that particular diva in a prominent role on the show. If Ashley winning the title at Mania brings more focus to the Playboy mag, then it's adios Mickie James. Because Playboy MAKES MONEY

2 - End the brand extension

Two brands means twice as many rosters, twice as many house shows, twice as many touring groups. TWICE AS MUCH PROFIT. WWE can still do International tours with one brand, while the other does shows in the USA. Not possible with only one brand. WWE will therefore ignore the poor quality of Smackdown, the lack of depth and the poor rosters because two brands MAKES MONEY.

3 Get the divas off my TV/Quit releasing Diva DVDs, etc

Check the numbers - they make money

4 Make PPVs more special by bringing them back down to 5 a year. It'll make them more important like the good old days!

14 PPVs make 14 times more money than 1. or even 5. WWE will continue to milk as many PPVs as possible because they have a core contingent of fans who will buy every PPV even if the main event is Nathan Jones vs Kahli. So all they need to do is win over the 'excess population'. Simply put, more PPVs MAKES MONEY - regardless of quality of the show.

5 Let Undertaker keep his legacy - he deserves it!!

WWE could give a crap who deserves what. If Taker losing his legacy to Batista or Orton means the potential of a sizzling summer long feud while Taker get revenge, culminating in a white hot SummerSlam blow off, WWE will do it because it MAKES MONEY. To hell with Taker's legacy...it's about the house show crowds, the TV ratings and the buy rates.

6 - WWE should make a DVD set for Dynamite Kid!! He deserves it!!!

LMFAO. Like WWE releases DVD sets based on who deserves something. You don't market a product based as a tribute to someone's career. They have Hall of Fame and other bogus things for that. DVDs are marketed based on what will sell..based on what MAKES MONEY. That's why you have about 50,000 John Cena and rey Mysterio shirts to choose from, but none for Kenny Dykstra.


I could go on, but I'm bored. Hopefully you get the idea. If you think WWE makes decisions based on anything other than profit, you need to get your ass out of your parents basements, or your college dorm, and enter the real world where it's all about the MUNNY.

Peace out!

Holy shit...
All this time...
All this time I've thought it was different...
I thought it was some sort of nonprofit charity...

But YOU, sir, have shown me the light! My God, it's all so clear to me now. Everything makes sense. Everything is so bright. Now that I know the truth!

My eyes have been opened, and I see wrestling in a whole different light now! And it's all thanks to you! Thank you, sir, thank you! None of this would be possible without you. I'm sure hundreds more will see this post and see things in a completely different manner.

You, sir, are a SAINT!

[Bushwanker]

hollywood said:

bushwanker said:

I'm gonna cut to the chase. WWE is in business to MAKE MONEY. nothing else. It's not there to honor history, legacies, continuity or respectability. It's there to MAKE MONEY. Got it?

Hulk Hogan once defined a mark as "someone who thinks decisions in wrestling are made for a reason other than profit". I'd say he has it down perfectly. So with that in mind, let's shoot down all the things marks and smarks complain about, and why you'll never see them:

1 - Playboy pillow fights at WrestleMania while talented guys like RVD are kept off the card.

IT MAKES MONEY. WWE has an annual deal with Playboy to showcase a diva at Wrestlemania time. Therefore, it makes sense to have that particular diva in a prominent role on the show. If Ashley winning the title at Mania brings more focus to the Playboy mag, then it's adios Mickie James. Because Playboy MAKES MONEY

2 - End the brand extension

Two brands means twice as many rosters, twice as many house shows, twice as many touring groups. TWICE AS MUCH PROFIT. WWE can still do International tours with one brand, while the other does shows in the USA. Not possible with only one brand. WWE will therefore ignore the poor quality of Smackdown, the lack of depth and the poor rosters because two brands MAKES MONEY.

3 Get the divas off my TV/Quit releasing Diva DVDs, etc

Check the numbers - they make money

4 Make PPVs more special by bringing them back down to 5 a year. It'll make them more important like the good old days!

14 PPVs make 14 times more money than 1. or even 5. WWE will continue to milk as many PPVs as possible because they have a core contingent of fans who will buy every PPV even if the main event is Nathan Jones vs Kahli. So all they need to do is win over the 'excess population'. Simply put, more PPVs MAKES MONEY - regardless of quality of the show.

5 Let Undertaker keep his legacy - he deserves it!!

WWE could give a crap who deserves what. If Taker losing his legacy to Batista or Orton means the potential of a sizzling summer long feud while Taker get revenge, culminating in a white hot SummerSlam blow off, WWE will do it because it MAKES MONEY. To hell with Taker's legacy...it's about the house show crowds, the TV ratings and the buy rates.

6 - WWE should make a DVD set for Dynamite Kid!! He deserves it!!!

LMFAO. Like WWE releases DVD sets based on who deserves something. You don't market a product based as a tribute to someone's career. They have Hall of Fame and other bogus things for that. DVDs are marketed based on what will sell..based on what MAKES MONEY. That's why you have about 50,000 John Cena and rey Mysterio shirts to choose from, but none for Kenny Dykstra.


I could go on, but I'm bored. Hopefully you get the idea. If you think WWE makes decisions based on anything other than profit, you need to get your ass out of your parents basements, or your college dorm, and enter the real world where it's all about the MUNNY.

Peace out!

Holy crap...
All this time...
All this time I've thought it was different...
I thought it was some sort of nonprofit charity...

But YOU, sir, have shown me the light! My God, it's all so clear to me now. Everything makes sense. Everything is so bright. Now that I know the truth!

My eyes have been opened, and I see wrestling in a whole different light now! And it's all thanks to you! Thank you, sir, thank you! None of this would be possible without you. I'm sure hundreds more will see this post and see things in a completely different manner.

You, sir, are a SAINT!

Anyone else noticed the disturbingly high reliance on sarcasm by participants in this thread? And we all know what sarcasm is.

[Deleted]

bushwanker said:

hollywood said:

Holy crap...
All this time...
All this time I've thought it was different...
I thought it was some sort of nonprofit charity...

But YOU, sir, have shown me the light! My God, it's all so clear to me now. Everything makes sense. Everything is so bright. Now that I know the truth!

My eyes have been opened, and I see wrestling in a whole different light now! And it's all thanks to you! Thank you, sir, thank you! None of this would be possible without you. I'm sure hundreds more will see this post and see things in a completely different manner.

You, sir, are a SAINT!

Anyone else noticed the disturbingly high reliance on sarcasm by participants in this thread? And we all know what sarcasm is.

It's like ketchup or something isn't it?

[hollywood]

bushwanker said:

Anyone else noticed the disturbingly high reliance on sarcasm by participants in this thread? And we all know what sarcasm is.

Noooooooooooo.

[skskillz]

Sarcasm draws money.

["Hollywood" Cactus Matt]

bootytime said:

bushwanker said:

Anyone else noticed the disturbingly high reliance on sarcasm by participants in this thread? And we all know what sarcasm is.

It's like ketchup or something isn't it?

I believe it's an old, old wooden ship.

[Avalanche Alvarez]

curly said:

I read it, I can't unread it.

POSTS....OF....DISINTEREST!

[Bushwanker]

Nobody but smarks give a damn about work rate anyway. Here's an example for you:

Let's say WWE booked two arenas in the same town and ran two shows simultaneously. One is a "Hoss Fest" with the likes of Lashley, Kane, Snitsky. It also has the old broken down legends like Flair, Rhodes and Hogan. And let's throw some diva pillow fights in for good measure.

Arena #2 features no nonsense straight wrestling and tech-fests with the likes of Benoit, Punk, Benjamin, Mysterio, etc. No gimmicks, no divas...just straight wrestling.

Tell me - HONESTLY - which one would draw biggest? I think we both know the answer. Because hardcore internet fans make up about 30% of WWE's paying, participating fanbase. That's that.

OUCH!!! (Sorry, it hurts being right all the time.)

[-Lithium-]

Invasion was done to give McMahon an ego boost, not to make money, no doubt...

[Austin's Middle Finger]

avalanchealvarez said:

curly said:

I read it, I can't unread it.

POSTS....OF....DISINTEREST!

Goddammit, I love that little fella.

[qwerty123]

bushwanker said:

I'm gonna cut to the chase. WWE is in business to MAKE MONEY. nothing else. It's not there to honor history, legacies, continuity or respectability. It's there to MAKE MONEY. Got it?

Hulk Hogan once defined a mark as "someone who thinks decisions in wrestling are made for a reason other than profit". I'd say he has it down perfectly. So with that in mind, let's shoot down all the things marks and smarks complain about, and why you'll never see them:

1 - Playboy pillow fights at WrestleMania while talented guys like RVD are kept off the card.

IT MAKES MONEY. WWE has an annual deal with Playboy to showcase a diva at Wrestlemania time. Therefore, it makes sense to have that particular diva in a prominent role on the show. If Ashley winning the title at Mania brings more focus to the Playboy mag, then it's adios Mickie James. Because Playboy MAKES MONEY

2 - End the brand extension

Two brands means twice as many rosters, twice as many house shows, twice as many touring groups. TWICE AS MUCH PROFIT. WWE can still do International tours with one brand, while the other does shows in the USA. Not possible with only one brand. WWE will therefore ignore the poor quality of Smackdown, the lack of depth and the poor rosters because two brands MAKES MONEY.

3 Get the divas off my TV/Quit releasing Diva DVDs, etc

Check the numbers - they make money

4 Make PPVs more special by bringing them back down to 5 a year. It'll make them more important like the good old days!

14 PPVs make 14 times more money than 1. or even 5. WWE will continue to milk as many PPVs as possible because they have a core contingent of fans who will buy every PPV even if the main event is Nathan Jones vs Kahli. So all they need to do is win over the 'excess population'. Simply put, more PPVs MAKES MONEY - regardless of quality of the show.

5 Let Undertaker keep his legacy - he deserves it!!

WWE could give a crap who deserves what. If Taker losing his legacy to Batista or Orton means the potential of a sizzling summer long feud while Taker get revenge, culminating in a white hot SummerSlam blow off, WWE will do it because it MAKES MONEY. To hell with Taker's legacy...it's about the house show crowds, the TV ratings and the buy rates.

6 - WWE should make a DVD set for Dynamite Kid!! He deserves it!!!

LMFAO. Like WWE releases DVD sets based on who deserves something. You don't market a product based as a tribute to someone's career. They have Hall of Fame and other bogus things for that. DVDs are marketed based on what will sell..based on what MAKES MONEY. That's why you have about 50,000 John Cena and rey Mysterio shirts to choose from, but none for Kenny Dykstra.


I could go on, but I'm bored. Hopefully you get the idea. If you think WWE makes decisions based on anything other than profit, you need to get your ass out of your parents basements, or your college dorm, and enter the real world where it's all about the MUNNY.

Peace out!

[Harmonica]

cactusmatt said:

bootytime said:

It's like ketchup or something isn't it?

I believe it's an old, old wooden ship.

I thought it was a venerial disease

[Bobafett]

bushwanker said:

Sorry Fett, but you have just slipped into the naive smark "I tune into WWE to see Wrestling" brigade. They are equal to the "I read Entertainment Weekly in the hopes of discussing the theories of Einstein and Hawke".

WWE has never been more than 50% about in ring action. NEVER. In the 80s it was Fuji Vice, Vachon's wedding, Gookers, and Steamboat becoming a ninja. Attitude was all about Mae Young, crucifixions, HLA, Edge going nuts in subways, Patterson in drag, etc.

WWE is just as much about Big Dick Johnson, Mae Young's boobs and Katie Vick as it is about takedowns and grapevines. And until you, and the others complaining for "wrestling" realise that, you will continue to be disappointed and have to force feed yourself a weekly show that you don't enjoy.

do you know me? no, I don't watch WWE except the big 4 ppvs, have you ever considered this....

"EVERYONE HAS A BLOODY OPINION AND IS 100% WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO HAVE ONES, THATS WHGY FORUMS LIKE THIS EXSIST, YOU THINK WHAT YOU SAID WILL REALLY CHANGE EVERYONES OPINION THEN YOU MUST BE AS NAIVE AS YOU THINK I AM, YES ENTERTAINMENT HAS ITS PLACE BUT THEY HABE WRESTLERS, A WRESTLING RING..I COULD GO ON BUT I WON'T, THE FACT IS WE COMPLAIN AND HAVE A RIGHT TO, SO LEAVE US ALONE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE OUR COMPLAINING AND DEBATING WHY ARE YOU HERE........WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!