Vince vows to fix ecw

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kingoftheindies said:

I was just thinking, one thing I'm disappointed with is how the new ECW began. The IWC knew Vince was startng a third brand, but the general fans didn't, and WWE never really built up the "rebirth"

I remember Joey Styles' great promo about how he ated being a story teller, and how he was constantly told to ignore the action in the ring. It truely was a great promo that could've started something. Then, RVD came out the next week and said he backed up Joey. What could've been the start of a Revolution, that turned into a feud between WWE and ECW, went cold turkey. RVD then told Cena he was cashing in MITB at ONS, and the ECW originals showe up during the contract signing.

Then one day out of no where, Paul Heyman just said "as you might know, ECW is coming back and it will be on the Sci Fi channel" and he announced Kurt Angle as his Smackdown draft choice.

The next week during the ECW vs. WWE special, Big Show jumped ship for no reason (unless you go on to wwe.com regularly).

What I'm getting at, is WWE dropped the ball with the hype. Had they built a revolution after Joey's comments ECW has got great momentum going into it's debut. Instead, it was jut brushed off as if everybody knew ECW was coming back.

This was one of the BIGGEST dissapointments I've witnessed in my 20 years of watching wrestling-actually storyline wise, and aside from wrestling deaths this was THE BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT in my 20 years of watching wrestling

[demolitionax]

Yeah, if Vince would let the originals run the show, ECW could be good again.

[amsiraK]

samachine said:

Isn't Vince the reason ECW is broken?

That's one of those conundrums he's never going to figure out.

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Or admit.

[erik316wttn]

I don't know if ECW can be fixed.

Right now the roster is streched way too thin. If it was back to one merged roster, we'd have almost another Attitude Era. The talent is there, it's just stretched out too far.

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erik316wttn said:

I don't know if ECW can be fixed.

Right now the roster is streched way too thin. If it was back to one merged roster, we'd have almost another Attitude Era. The talent is there, it's just stretched out too far.

I actually think its the other way around. The is more than enough talent on all three brands but, Vince doesn't want them competing with each to prevent one looking bad and making him look bad and then there is just aren't that many who can write things as good and as innovate as the guys in the Attitude Era.

Basically what I am trying to say is that it isn't the talent that's spread to thin, its creative.

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joker said:

He could start by making all the matches be fought under Extreme Rules as a default.

Next he would need to get the title off Lashley and give it to either Sabu, Dreamer, RVD or Sandman.

Then bring in some luchadores to wrestle good quality matches, I dunno maybe switching Elijah Berk with Super Crazy would be a good start.

Then build from there perhaps a tg team division.

That's just crazy talk!

[bob]

it's not completely Vince McMahon's fault that ECW has been getting dismal ratings, there's plenty of blame go around

RVD getting busted with pot while ECW champion, Kurt Angle being released really really crippled ECW, as well as Big Show having to retire due to injuries

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I think honestly the biggest problem with the new "ECW" is that the Originals weren't established as a threat soon enough. Honestly, I'm all for the Originals being used to put over new talent, especially someone like Elijah Burke, who truly is the future of the company, but a win over someone like the Sandman or Dreamer doesn't mean shit, because the current fans weren't given a reason to care about the characters. Video retrospectives on the originals, with commentary from former ECW guys who came in for One Night Stand 05 would have been excellent. Give the fans an education on the past, and they'll appreciate the stars of the future.

[Ultimo Chocula]

If he wants to fix ECW he should end it. Period.

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theboss said:

samachine said:

Isn't Vince the reason ECW is broken?

How is Vince to blame? ECW never had the finances needed to succeed. They tried too hard to become a major promotion over night and dug themselves into a hole and could not get out.

Sure ECW was somewhat popular for a little while. But that was due more to the wrestling boom of the 90's. Everything in pro wrestling was more popular. But even at it's peek ECW never had a large following.

If anything Vince should be given credit for bringing back ECW. It may not be the ECW of old, but if were to have remained shut down, ECW's tremendous (albeit brief) history would be at risk of being forgotten all together.

Vince should be given as much credit for bringing back the nWo as he did ECW. Both bombed/ are bombing. I’d be willing to cut Vince some slack if this was indeed the first time he had a money-making venture in his hands, then for whatever reason, proceeded to run it into the ground; but he should have learned his lesson from the Invasion debacle. Sadly, I’m starting to think that he doesn’t even think that whole venture was a critical failure.

As for ECW being popular, the fact that ONS 2005 drew more buys than almost every single WWE single-brand ppv that year proves that something promoted and financially backed by Vince, but produced in the real ECW spirit could and did succeed. (and by that I mean, in rules, edginess and style, and not just pushing the original roster).

As for “keeping the name of ECW alive”, it already is with DVDs. The DVDs have brought in so much income that it would have paid Heyman’s original debts over about ten times. There’s still tons of people who buy the DVDs and make ECW profitable. The problem is these same people are not tuning in on Tuesday night to watch WWF career no hopers like Bob Holly & Test wrestle a manufactured Bobby Lashley for a prop. They haven’t given us any reason to care. They just keep booking in their same terrible outdated style. And that my friend is Vince McMahon’s fault. You can blame your players for sucking if you run a real sports team. But when you write all the stories and all the results and people still reject it, that’s your fault.

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Bring Heyman back as a booker.

[Jiren]

Get Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy & Bill Corbet to replace Tazz & Styles

Ariel comes out

Bill as crow: I've got something she can suck
Mike: CROW!!!!!!!

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cenamark21 said:

It's rumored that Vince is now on a mission now to "fix" the ECW brand

I doubt that's true, for 2 reasons:

1) Attempting to 'fix' something implies that you acknowledge that something is wrong with it - otherwise, it doesn't need to be fixed. Vince McMahon is never wrong (at least in his own mind).

2) The whole reason why Vince decided to give ECW its own show was so that he could tarnish its legacy - the same way he tarnished WCW's by deliberately sabotaging something as idiot proof as the InVasion angle.

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theboss said:

Sure ECW was somewhat popular for a little while. But that was due more to the wrestling boom of the 90's.

That's untrue, as far as I'm concerned.

The wrestling boom of which you speak did not last throughout the entire 1990s; it occurred in the latter part of it. ECW was popular BEFORE the wrestling boom took off; that's why a fed-up Philly audience chanted "ECW!" during WWF's 1995 King of the Ring.

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theboss said:

If anything Vince should be given credit for bringing back ECW. It may not be the ECW of old, but if were to have remained shut down, ECW's tremendous (albeit brief) history would be at risk of being forgotten all together.

Did Vince McMahon pay you to say that? No one who experienced ECW during the time in which it revolutionized wrestling in the 90s would EVER forget its legacy.

Your suggestion that wrestling fans would forget about ECW if it weren't for McMahon bringing it back is about as credible as saying that no one will remember Randy "Macho Man" Savage since McMahon has some apparent beef with him and refuses to acknowledge him in all of his documentaries.