Everybody hates Shawn

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cdr said:

rob1 said:

Do we really think the lost smile was made up to aoid doing the favour for Bret? is it not even possible that his injuries were genuine? In the book he talks about doctors and surgeries,ie watched the promo, seemed pretty genuine to me

Maybe. But I'm sure if it were Razor vs. HBK, HBK probably would have worked double-time to find his smile.

He also was very injured going into WrestleMania 14, but without Bret standing across the ring, he found the courage to go on.....possibly because Undertaker helped him find that night, but Shawn denys that as well.

Yeah, if I remember the story correctly, Taker had to threaten Michaels because he decided he didn't want to job to Austin even thought he knew it was his last match in a while...another exemple of how professional Shawn was back then!

[skskillz]

Shawn Michaels has forfeited more titles than he's ever lost (forfeited the tag titles 3 times, the IC title twice, and WWF title once).

He's been considered a prick by pretty much every wrestler who has spoken candidly about him, other than his friends and even they say that he was a jerk.

The reason he gets a free ride by Vince: he didn't jump to WCW when everyone else did. Shawn didn't draw any money, but he was the top guy in the company in 1996 and everyone was jumping to WCW at the time. He stayed.

The reason he gets a free ride by fans: WORKRATE!!111!11!!.....and stuff.

[amsiraK]

I dunno... I read his bio and it does make some sense. He doesn't give himself much of a break as far as how he behaved, but he does make some sense about it. Of course, because it's his bio, you take things with a grain of salt.

But he even says that Montreal was HIS IDEA.

[Dynamic Dee]

karisma888 said:

I dunno... I read his bio and it does make some sense. He doesn't give himself much of a break as far as how he behaved, but he does make some sense about it. Of course, because it's his bio, you take things with a grain of salt.

But he even says that Montreal was HIS IDEA.

Yeah i read it too. He does know that he was wrong about some things that he did. Of course like any other bio, a person is going to be biased towards their side of the story and try to come out looking as good as possible. Those that hate Shawn will try to make him look as bad as possible. Thats just how it goes.

[Ultimo Chocula]

I think the Undertaker has threatened to kick HBK's ass on more than one occastion. He may have been the only guy who had the grapes to stand up to him at that time.

I don't think HBK has changed all that much to be quite honest. I think he uses the "born again" excuse as a bullet proof sheild. It may be that I'm cynical but I just don't buy it.

[AriadosMan]

Were the announcers referencing some real-life dislike that UT has for Shawn when they said "these two certainly wouldn't give each other Christmas cards" last night on Raw? UTs chokeslam of him looked more...forceful than usual, somehow.

[Bobafett]

ultimochocula said:

I think the Undertaker has threatened to kick HBK's ass on more than one occastion. He may have been the only guy who had the grapes to stand up to him at that time.

I don't think HBK has changed all that much to be quite honest. I think he uses the "born again" excuse as a bullet proof sheild. It may be that I'm cynical but I just don't buy it.

wasn't there an incident wherre Bret said in passing he'd be happy about Jobbing to HBK and HBK basicly turned around and says "with all due respect, don't expet me to job to you" or something to that effect?

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bobafett said:

ultimochocula said:

I think the Undertaker has threatened to kick HBK's ass on more than one occastion. He may have been the only guy who had the grapes to stand up to him at that time.

I don't think HBK has changed all that much to be quite honest. I think he uses the "born again" excuse as a bullet proof sheild. It may be that I'm cynical but I just don't buy it.

I believe he want to Vince flat out and said that he's not jobbing for anyone, anywhere. Bret said he would drop the title to Shawn, just not in Canada. Of course that's just one variation to the story.

wasn't there an incident wherre Bret said in passing he'd be happy about Jobbing to HBK and HBK basicly turned around and says "with all due respect, don't expet me to job to you" or something to that effect?

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bobafett said:

ultimochocula said:

I think the Undertaker has threatened to kick HBK's ass on more than one occastion. He may have been the only guy who had the grapes to stand up to him at that time.

I don't think HBK has changed all that much to be quite honest. I think he uses the "born again" excuse as a bullet proof sheild. It may be that I'm cynical but I just don't buy it.

wasn't there an incident wherre Bret said in passing he'd be happy about Jobbing to HBK and HBK basicly turned around and says "with all due respect, don't expet me to job to you" or something to that effect?

I think it was for the wrestlemania XII match!

[Ultimo Chocula]

Hey, where'd my text go?

[amsiraK]

It didn't want to do the job and went off to look for its smile.

And I always thought (and Shawn's book backs it up, but... again... it's HIS book) that he and UT got along, not as in close friends but as in coworkers.

Am I alone in thinking... there's more to Bret/Shawn than we're allowed to hear? From reading and hearing accounts from both sides, it's always come off to me as if there's something missing from it. Like a real reason they don't like each other.

I dunno. I just always get that feeling.

[Dynamic Dee]

karisma888 said:

It didn't want to do the job and went off to look for its smile.

And I always thought (and Shawn's book backs it up, but... again... it's HIS book) that he and UT got along, not as in close friends but as in coworkers.

Am I alone in thinking... there's more to Bret/Shawn than we're allowed to hear? From reading and hearing accounts from both sides, it's always come off to me as if there's something missing from it. Like a real reason they don't like each other.

I dunno. I just always get that feeling.

Yeah i never heard Taker or Austin back up the story that Shawn didn't want to drop the belt at Mania 14. Who knows really. As far as the Bret/Shawn feud, i'm sure there were more things that went on than what we heard about. There were accounts that Bret wasn't the most easy person to deal with either. He doesn't has the bad rep that Shawn got, but there were reports that he could be pretty difficult when he wanted to be.

[The son of a plumber.]

Bret Hart is my favorite wrestler. I think both of them are probably huge ego driven guys that are both douches. They most likly didnt like each othe because they seem like very similar people deep down they just went about it different ways.

[skskillz]

blaze said:

Yeah i never heard Taker or Austin back up the story that Shawn didn't want to drop the belt at Mania 14. Who knows really.

Undertaker was on Off the Record in 2003 (?) and confirmed the story. The clip might still be on Youtube.

I'll reiterate: every wrestler that candidly talks about Shawn Michaels rarely says anything positive about his character (as a human being). It's always "great worker but.....".

[Ultimo Chocula]

mark said:

Bret Hart is my favorite wrestler. I think both of them are probably huge ego driven guys that are both douches. They most likly didnt like each othe because they seem like very similar people deep down they just went about it different ways.

Bret probably was difficult at times but he's always struck me as a "business first" type of guy. He just wanted to protect the E from being taken as a joke and if it meant he had to be a douche.

Shawn has always been a self promoter.

[algertman]

mastershake said:

cdr said:

****DISCLAIMER******

I AM AN HBK FAN.

That being said, I think his autobio was a pile of crap and I think he lied throughout.

"I never refused to job. The dirtsheets made it up. If asks you to, you do"......Yeah, coming as it does from the guy who got the sweet of the stick during Montreal.

"I never took drugs. I could have never failed that drug test"......yeah Shawn, I'm sure the lab waxed up.

Plus others thing he talks about, where I just don't believe him.

There's no denying HBK's ability or talent, but I think he's full of crap

I really think people should stop blaming Shawn for Montreal. Shawn Michaels didn't cause Montreal; Bret Hart and his ego caused Montreal. If Bret would have done as he was told and dropped the strap before he left for WCW, then none of this would have happened.

The phrase "Bret screwed Bret" comes to mind.

Based on his creative control he had in his contract at the Bret did not screw Bret.

[Arturo Classico]

To me HBK is just about himself. Really I don't see people who always defend Micheals really it makes no sense to me. If you bash Teddy Hart you have to slam him as well. The Kliq basically used McMahon and anyone they were not cool with got buried. Please tell me if it wasn't for The Kliq would have Bam Bam and Vader would have got world titles? Also what about Douglas? He was still over as a heel with a total shit gimmick. Basically it was who ever HBK, Diesel and today with HHH there friends are the ones who get the pushes. If it wasn't for HHH would Orton and Batista get world titles so quickly? So even though HBK is entertaining he should go f*** him self!

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blaze said:

karisma888 said:

It didn't want to do the job and went off to look for its smile.

And I always thought (and Shawn's book backs it up, but... again... it's HIS book) that he and UT got along, not as in close friends but as in coworkers.

Am I alone in thinking... there's more to Bret/Shawn than we're allowed to hear? From reading and hearing accounts from both sides, it's always come off to me as if there's something missing from it. Like a real reason they don't like each other.

I dunno. I just always get that feeling.

Yeah i never heard Taker or Austin back up the story that Shawn didn't want to drop the belt at Mania 14. Who knows really. As far as the Bret/Shawn feud, i'm sure there were more things that went on than what we heard about. There were accounts that Bret wasn't the most easy person to deal with either. He doesn't has the bad rep that Shawn got, but there were reports that he could be pretty difficult when he wanted to be.

Taker told it himself at OTR (A canadian sport show) a few days before mania 18

[Dynamic Dee]

gabou142 said:

blaze said:

Yeah i never heard Taker or Austin back up the story that Shawn didn't want to drop the belt at Mania 14. Who knows really. As far as the Bret/Shawn feud, i'm sure there were more things that went on than what we heard about. There were accounts that Bret wasn't the most easy person to deal with either. He doesn't has the bad rep that Shawn got, but there were reports that he could be pretty difficult when he wanted to be.

Taker told it himself at OTR (A canadian sport show) a few days before mania 18

Oh ok, I didn't know about that.

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blaze said:

gabou142 said:

Taker told it himself at OTR (A canadian sport show) a few days before mania 18

Oh ok, I didn't know about that.

Now you do...he also told the story of Sid crapping in is thight at mania 13