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Post by ronsimmons on Jan 10, 2007 2:07:24 GMT -5
I'm glad he lost, now he can have more interesting matches. Agreed and this is coming from a punk fan.
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Post by Scott on Jan 10, 2007 2:42:25 GMT -5
It's a relief and gives them something else to focus on with his character.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 10, 2007 6:46:41 GMT -5
Hardcore Holly just seems like someone he should have rolled over. I mean..has he EVER been over? I take it you missed the Big Shot gimmick...well that was over with me at least. And much of the IWC at the time, as much as they try to history revise that out of existence (when someone ceases to be "IWC Cool," it becomes, "We never liked him, etc. etc.")
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 10, 2007 6:52:08 GMT -5
Holly has been "jobber to the stars" since he came to ECW. In order to keep any credibility he needed a win like this. I'd rather have seen more push-worthy guys like Test or Thorn get that big win though. I still find it idiotic that they never gave Shannon Moore a chance before turning him into the ECW's biggest jobber. Doing repeated promos of him being the next big thing only to constantly job him once it was apparent crowds wouldn't accept him as a face is just stupid. I'n not a big fan of his but I think he had some heel-potential and should've gotten a shot before they gave-up on him. Well Moore I think is a prime example of a "signed so TNA can't have him" acquisition, second only to most of the guys on Velocity now. With the bonus of having someone seen on Impact to job out. Johnny Ace wants to sign these guys just to bury them so TNA can't use them after they're wished well in future endeavors, don't ya know. Or at least that's what the IWC told me ;-) And BTW, Punk in 2007 = Benoit in 1997. He jobs to someone, uproars and glass ceiling theories ensue.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Jan 10, 2007 6:55:41 GMT -5
Hardcore Holly just seems like someone he should have rolled over. I mean..has he EVER been over? I take it you missed the Big Shot gimmick...well that was over with me at least. And much of the IWC at the time, as much as they try to history revise that out of existence (when someone ceases to be "IWC Cool," it becomes, "We never liked him, etc. etc.") *opens door* If you see The Big Show tell him The Big Shot's lookin' for him! *opens door* If you see The Big Show tell him The Big Shot's lookin' for him! *opens door* If you see The Big Show tell him The Big Shot's lookin' for him! *opens door* If you see The Big Show tell him The Big Shot's lookin' for him! *opens door* If you see The Big Show tell him The Big Shot's lookin' for him! And so on...
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Post by EJS on Jan 10, 2007 6:56:24 GMT -5
I miss "Big Shot"... Hardcore Holly needs to start acting like an asshole again (on screen that is). His current heel character doesn't seem much different than his last generic-tough face character, except for the attack people after matches part.
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Post by manx21 on Jan 10, 2007 7:08:18 GMT -5
wows punk lost. its not like its gonna kill him and i'm a huge punk fan. it might make this a bit more interesting. and i guess holly wasnt a bad choice cos he is one of the top heels on ecw and a step up from mike knox. if he goes over punk in the feud, then i think the E are being a bit silly
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jan 10, 2007 7:29:56 GMT -5
SEE-ERM PERNK SHUD NVR LOOSE! HE AM DE BESTEST!!!!111!!
Seriously, I like Punk a lot, but... I like Holly even more. In fact, you could say I'm the world's biggest Bob Holly mark. I don't think this hurts Punk, he's still over, he just lost a match... he is still getting a push, don't worry 'bout it.
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Post by leemir on Jan 10, 2007 8:28:09 GMT -5
I've seen Punk lose many a match or even a feud & still benefit from it more than the winner.
But still... Holly?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 10, 2007 8:34:47 GMT -5
I've seen Punk lose many a match or even a feud & still benefit from it more than the winner. But still... Holly? That's what I am saying. I am not going, " OMG CM PUNK LOST A MATCH! BUT HE IS JESUS!" I am confused how Hardcore Holly can be a threat to a guy who has been running through people for months. I guess after him being pretty much a nobody for years can be washed away witha good fued, but it still confuses me.
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Post by salTy on Jan 10, 2007 8:51:59 GMT -5
I like how all you "anti-smarks" are saying everyone's whining about Punk losing.
Ok, I've seen about four people in this thread disagreeing with the booking while everyone else in this thread mocks them. It's one post where someone says "I thought it was stupid having him lose to Sparky Plugg." Then six posts following it saying "OMG!!!11 PUNXORZ!!!11 But seriously, I like Punk blah blah blah Xerox post." You look like jackasses.
I also agree that Punk losing to Mr. J.O.B. Squad cleanly was stupid. Why? Feud over, that's why. Holly proved he was better, and Punk can't disprove it. Not a great way to put the new blood over. But hey, I'm no bookerman.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jan 10, 2007 9:04:47 GMT -5
7 pages? 7 pages? Are we serious? Punk lost to Holly, it's ok. Feuds usually have both guys win a match or two with the face generally getting the blowoff match win. I'm not gonna complain about Holly winning until we see where it goes. If there are no more matches between the two then having Holly win was pointless, but I see them having at least another match with Punk making Holly tap out.
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Post by Ratings on Jan 10, 2007 9:15:04 GMT -5
He was going to lose eventually; and if it was a good match where he looked strong, then there isn't really much to complain about.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jan 10, 2007 9:24:39 GMT -5
People didn't get this upset when Punk lost to Val Venis last year. ;D
Just kidding.
Seriously though, I don't have a problem with Punk losing. The inherent problem with undefeated streaks is that it really produces a lot of pressure for how to end it. The longer a streak goes, the harder it becomes to come up with a spectacular enough way to end it. Like Umaga having such a long streak, and he lost by a Cena roll-up. Not too climactic. The Masterlock is another example of something that has been unbroken for a long time (not counting Iraq, since WWE doesnt). When the hold finally does get broken, there is going to be a ton of pressure to make sure it is booked amazingly.
My long winded point is that undefeated streaks aren't all they're cracked up to be, and this will help Punk in the long run since he can have some "normal" feuds with actual suspense in the match outcomes.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jan 10, 2007 9:31:08 GMT -5
It was just one small loss, why the uproar? Oh yeah, CM punk (The IWC GAWD!) lost - to Holly (An IWC hated bald guy "cleverly" named baldcore.) Just incase this offended anyone, it was just a little joke. IWC GAWD is like JBL's "Wrestling GAWD" line. Get it? *crickets* Oh and I meant what I said, Baldcore is a lame nickname.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 10, 2007 9:35:19 GMT -5
I always like SpongeBob AngryPants for Holly.
LOL
This thread is exactly why I hate undefeated streaks. They're nice for the guy having them, but it's unrealistic. No one can stay undefeated forever or it's BORING. If Punk plowed over everyone in his path, wouldn't that make him John Cena? *ducks IWC garbage rain*
Seriously, it's lots better to watch give and take in a feud. It keeps it fresh. Punk losing to Holly isn't the end of the world. Especially since they're trying to push Bob as a big deal in ECW.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 10, 2007 9:47:32 GMT -5
before everyone goes nuts, he didn't get squashed, it was a good match, and punk has charisma so its not like he's gonna be buried Doesn't matter. THIS is what's wrong with the Double E. They build this guy up, one of their biggest stars goes on the shelf for 8 months and they have Punk lose?! To a man that WON'T get a title shot OR wear the ECW championship?! Pretzel logic is cute but not practical. SOMEONE fix the Double E.
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Post by Dynamic Dee on Jan 10, 2007 10:24:21 GMT -5
I always like SpongeBob AngryPants for Holly. LOL This thread is exactly why I hate undefeated streaks. They're nice for the guy having them, but it's unrealistic. No one can stay undefeated forever or it's BORING. If Punk plowed over everyone in his path, wouldn't that make him John Cena? *ducks IWC garbage rain* Seriously, it's lots better to watch give and take in a feud. It keeps it fresh. Punk losing to Holly isn't the end of the world. Especially since they're trying to push Bob as a big deal in ECW. I agree totally. I see many people say how they hate to see guys that never job but when Punk jobs they get upset. Its only one job anyway and i'm sure Punk won't become the new S.D. Jones after this. I doubt that this will hurt him in the long run.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 10, 2007 10:26:55 GMT -5
I shut off Extreme Velocity the instant that Holly got the win. Make of that what you will.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 10, 2007 10:28:58 GMT -5
I always like SpongeBob AngryPants for Holly. LOL This thread is exactly why I hate undefeated streaks. They're nice for the guy having them, but it's unrealistic. No one can stay undefeated forever or it's BORING. If Punk plowed over everyone in his path, wouldn't that make him John Cena? *ducks IWC garbage rain* Seriously, it's lots better to watch give and take in a feud. It keeps it fresh. Punk losing to Holly isn't the end of the world. Especially since they're trying to push Bob as a big deal in ECW. I agree totally. I see many people say how they hate to see guys that never job but when Punk jobs they get upset. Its only one job anyway and i'm sure Punk won't become the new S.D. Jones after this. I doubt that this will hurt him in the long run. LOL - they need Holly to call him that. And I wouldn't even classify this as jobbing him out. He lost. Someone HAS to lose or else it's a match that never ends. It'll be more interesting watching him overcome the odds than having him march over everyone in his path. We've already got that happening on RAW.
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