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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 8, 2007 13:06:29 GMT -5
I guess i'd better enter this year and find out for sure!
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 8, 2007 13:41:05 GMT -5
What about when Vader cleared the ring after he was eliminated, throwing HBK (the eventual winner) over the top in the process. HBK and the others were allowed to carry on. That bothers me. Vader eliminated HBK in '96, but they said that it didn't count because Vader had already been eliminated. But in '97, Ahmed Johnson eliminated Farooq AFTER Ahmed had already been eliminated, and it counted! Outrageous! Well, the Vader/Monsoon confrontation happened because IIRC Gorilla needs a few months off (surgery maybe?), so they did this to set up Vader beating Monsoon up a week or 2 later on RAW (Monsoon returned at WM12) - it also helped get Vader over big time as a heel. The Rumble just happened to be the place where Vader debuted and a good way to stir up controversy between he and Monsoon. Ahmed/Faarooq was already a hot feud at the time and this just heated it up.
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Post by Mercyful Fate on Jan 8, 2007 13:46:47 GMT -5
I understand that they did it all for storyline purposes, but it just doesn't make sense.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 8, 2007 13:55:59 GMT -5
I understand that they did it all for storyline purposes, but it just doesn't make sense. They should just have Chewbacca sit at ringside this year, and whenever something dumb or senseless happens during the match (or all night, for that matter), the announcers just point at him and he roars.
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Post by kwydjebo on Jan 8, 2007 14:12:13 GMT -5
The Royal Rumble is one of the Premiere WWE events and as such the WWE championship committee is dedicated to never being stagnate, but improving on the event year to year. As such every year all participants, several weeks prior to the event, are given a package that outlines the various rule changes for that year's Rumble. For instance, In 1994 Being thrown over the top rope and then land on, and subsequently riding a midget, or team of midgets, back into the ring was perfectly acceptable, however in 1994, the team of midgets could not exceed 3, and could not be members of the Screen Actors Guild.
Now the fans (And subsequently those refered to as Internet "Smarts" or "Smarks" or as Triple H referes to them "Losers with no life") are never given copies of these updated rules as some of them are a bit confusing, and the WWE simply doesn't share these with you, but they do exist, and all wrestlers and officials are well aware of them.
Trust us, we're the WWE, we know what we're doing, we beat WCW after all.
This response to this thread from a figment of my imagination that thinks he works for the WWE ;D
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Post by The Boss on Jan 8, 2007 14:20:02 GMT -5
There was a bit of silence after Savage jumped out, I think Vince was telling Monsoon/Brain to make up some BS about it. He probably got over-excited and jumped out on his own. Remember this IS the guy who tried to PIN in the 94 Rumble ::rolls eyes:: Yes you can eliminate yourself. It's happened too many times to question it. Like you said Savage just screwed up and Heenan came up with the "nobody threw him out" excuse. Personally I would have just said "the ref didn't see it." Hey that's what happened when "Stinko" Steve snuck back in. In my opinion it was much more dramatic to have Savage eliminate himself. It showed just how strong the hatered was between Savage and Jake Roberts. Being that he didn't win anyway, they should have just told Savage to stay out. At least we would have been spared that rediculous pin attempt.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Jan 8, 2007 14:24:53 GMT -5
I understand that they did it all for storyline purposes, but it just doesn't make sense. They should just have Chewbacca sit at ringside this year, and whenever something dumb or senseless happens during the match (or all night, for that matter), the announcers just point at him and he roars. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is Chewbacca!
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 8, 2007 14:37:28 GMT -5
Didn't Ahmed Johnson jump over the top rope just to get to Faarooq? Why would you do that?
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Post by Stu on Jan 8, 2007 14:45:05 GMT -5
There was a bit of silence after Savage jumped out, I think Vince was telling Monsoon/Brain to make up some BS about it. He probably got over-excited and jumped out on his own. Remember this IS the guy who tried to PIN in the 94 Rumble ::rolls eyes:: Yes you can eliminate yourself. It's happened too many times to question it. Like you said Savage just screwed up and Heenan came up with the "nobody threw him out" excuse. Personally I would have just said "the ref didn't see it." Hey that's what happened when "Stinko" Steve snuck back in. In my opinion it was much more dramatic to have Savage eliminate himself. It showed just how strong the hatered was between Savage and Jake Roberts. Being that he didn't win anyway, they should have just told Savage to stay out. At least we would have been spared that rediculous pin attempt. He eliminated himself in 1992. He tried to pin Yokozuna in 1993. In 1994, he only lasted about three minutes. And as many of you have said it, there aren't any consistent rules; it all just depends on what is being booked. The only time something may change is likely when someone is legitimately injured at some point. Besides, if consistent, legitimate rules were in place, we would have been denied moments like Lawler under the ring and Nunzio chilling on the outside.
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Post by thiazzi on Jan 8, 2007 14:45:25 GMT -5
Sonjay Dutt was eliminated from a battle royal in his CZW debut without ever getting in the ring. He climbed up the turnbuckle from the outside and jumped down onto somebody on the floor. They wouldn't let him get in the ring and he looked genuinely pissed and frustrated.
Over-the-top matches are weird.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 8, 2007 15:03:27 GMT -5
The Chavo elimination from last year's Rumble still bothers me. He went through the ropes, not over the top, so therefore he was not eliminated and the final 2 should've been Chavo and Rey.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 8, 2007 15:44:54 GMT -5
They should just have Chewbacca sit at ringside this year, and whenever something dumb or senseless happens during the match (or all night, for that matter), the announcers just point at him and he roars. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is Chewbacca! Good grief, bring Clarence Mason back too!
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 8, 2007 16:41:42 GMT -5
The Chavo elimination from last year's Rumble still bothers me. He went through the ropes, not over the top, so therefore he was not eliminated and the final 2 should've been Chavo and Rey. The top rope pad is part of the inner ring. In other words, it is inside the area of ropes that people have to be thrown over. Therefore, since he was standing on it to prepare for the Frog Splash, the elimination would count.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 8, 2007 16:52:02 GMT -5
For some reason I believe Savage's elimination in 92 was a botch
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 8, 2007 17:19:32 GMT -5
I remember Kane went to chase X-Pac or someone by doing his backwards roll over the top rope in like the 99 or 00 Rumble and he was elminated that way...
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Post by Mitch 4:20 on Jan 8, 2007 21:00:44 GMT -5
safe to say you CAN eliminate yourself...
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Post by Garee on Jan 8, 2007 21:02:24 GMT -5
Yes you can, and no you can't, it depends on what Vince decides that day
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Post by Nickie James on Jan 9, 2007 7:00:34 GMT -5
Bradshaw eliminated himself. He was clotheslining Big Show out of the Rumble (2004) but at the third time, he missed and went over the ropes. *sigh* Became a Bradshaw fan since then.
The only thing that peeves me more than that is when two wrestlers land on the floor "at the same time."
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 9, 2007 8:30:36 GMT -5
The only thing that peeves me more than that is when two wrestlers land on the floor "at the same time." At the end of a match, of course. During a battle royal/Royal Rumble, when there are other people still in it, it's perfectly fine and no one cares.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jan 9, 2007 8:47:39 GMT -5
Bradshaw eliminated himself. He was clotheslining Big Show out of the Rumble (2004) but at the third time, he missed and went over the ropes. *sigh* Became a Bradshaw fan since then. The only thing that peeves me more than that is when two wrestlers land on the floor "at the same time." If it happens again this year, maybe Vince won't tear both his quads getting into the ring this time.
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