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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 10:21:33 GMT -5
Why? Because without those fans, he'd still be some schmuck with bad hair. And lets face it, with the style Rock wrestled, he was hardly "killing himself". You know, I cant stand Bret Hart. Never could, never will. But I can possibly see why people are still fans of his. But the one thing I'll NEVER understand is there are still Rock marks in 2007. Not an insult, mind you, merely an observation. I wonder if any of you are the same people b****ing non-stop in the early 2000's about how stale he was, the same complaints I see now about Cena. Rock is probably one of if not the best on the mic. His matches were entertaining. Different tastes I guess but I never saw a Rock promo I didn't like (After his Maivia days) His promos are one of the main reasons I stopped liking him. It's hard to hate on his repetitive, sloppy move-set when EVERY main event face eventually falls into that trap as well, Benoit, Jericho and Angle perhaps excluded, but when every last interview became "What pastry can I compare to a reproductive organ this week" and "OMG KEVIN K3LLY IS TEH HERMAPHRODITE HE HAS TEH PENUS AND TEH VAJINAH!" I was getting sick of whatever the Rock was cooking. But, like you said, I suppose...different tastes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2007 10:23:04 GMT -5
Rock is probably one of if not the best on the mic. His matches were entertaining. Different tastes I guess but I never saw a Rock promo I didn't like (After his Maivia days) His promos are one of the main reasons I stopped liking him. It's hard to hate on his repetitive, sloppy move-set when EVERY main event face eventually falls into that trap as well, Benoit, Jericho and Angle perhaps excluded, but when every last interview became "What pastry can I compare to a reproductive organ this week" and "OMG KEVIN K3LLY IS TEH HERMAPHRODITE HE HAS TEH PENUS AND TEH VAJINAH!" I was getting sick of whatever the Rock was cooking. But, like you said, I suppose...different tastes. I also wasn't a fan of a number of his promos. He'd cut Cena-esque ones (low-brow jokes) half the time, and cut actual witty ones the other half. Hit or miss.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2007 10:24:22 GMT -5
Why? Because without those fans, he'd still be some schmuck with bad hair. And lets face it, with the style Rock wrestled, he was hardly "killing himself". You know, I cant stand Bret Hart. Never could, never will. But I can possibly see why people are still fans of his. But the one thing I'll NEVER understand is there are still Rock marks in 2007. Not an insult, mind you, merely an observation. I wonder if any of you are the same people b****ing non-stop in the early 2000's about how stale he was, the same complaints I see now about Cena. Even better, I figure in wrestling the goal is to make money, not hurt yourself, so if Rock came away with less injuries than his fellow wrestlers,then so be it. I agree without the fans, he'd be nothing, but that could be said for most of the roster, still why should he continue to wrestle if he doesn't need to? I wouldn't mind seeing him wrestle again, but it's not like he's under any obligation to do so. As for Rock in 2000, it didn't really start till his feud with Rikishi when I started to grow a bit tired of the Rock, but the guy was able to captivate an audience like no other, probably Austin/Hogan, but that's it. Agreed. I was a huge Rock fan, but the Rikishi thing was the beginning of the end for him. I feel like he hit his peak in the Summer of 2000 and IMO after that he started getting stale
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 2, 2007 10:26:58 GMT -5
I dont think anyone in wrestling should be pissed at the Rock for leaving. Besides Stone Cold, there wasnt a guy who meant more to the WWE in that time of war (I know Im gonna get in trouble for not saying Hogan, but Rock and Austin were much better than him).
Unlike others still in the business, the Rock was able to generate a pop or heat wherever he went.
I know its not right to say this, but the Rock is truly above just wrestling.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 2, 2007 10:31:08 GMT -5
For those who don't watch the WWE (i.e. Me) what did HBK say?
As for the Rock, he did more to help the business in 3 years (1998-2000) than anyone not named Hogan or Austin ever did. EVER. Triple H and Michaels wish they had anywhere near that type of contribution.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Jan 2, 2007 10:32:15 GMT -5
I think that the Rock's last heel run (where he squared off with and put over the Hurricane) was excellent, and I will hold that in higher regard than when he was main eventing with Triple H in 2000.
Getting to the topic of the thread, I saw that as more of a storyline thing, but I could totally see it being a jab at Angle.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2007 10:33:33 GMT -5
Rock is probably one of if not the best on the mic. His matches were entertaining. Different tastes I guess but I never saw a Rock promo I didn't like (After his Maivia days) His promos are one of the main reasons I stopped liking him. It's hard to hate on his repetitive, sloppy move-set when EVERY main event face eventually falls into that trap as well, Benoit, Jericho and Angle perhaps excluded, but when every last interview became "What pastry can I compare to a reproductive organ this week" and "OMG KEVIN K3LLY IS TEH HERMAPHRODITE HE HAS TEH PENUS AND TEH VAJINAH!" I was getting sick of whatever the Rock was cooking. But, like you said, I suppose...different tastes. I couldnt agree more about his promos though. Which is why all the Cena promo hate baffled me, because those same people thought that the 1,200 different pie/strudel/anus/monkey's nipple/hermaphrodite jokes were the be all end all of promos. The problem with the Rock's promos was that every funny thing he ever said would be run into the ground after a few weeks and he'd get stale
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Post by Byakugan on Jan 2, 2007 10:35:22 GMT -5
His promos are one of the main reasons I stopped liking him. It's hard to hate on his repetitive, sloppy move-set when EVERY main event face eventually falls into that trap as well, Benoit, Jericho and Angle perhaps excluded, but when every last interview became "What pastry can I compare to a reproductive organ this week" and "OMG KEVIN K3LLY IS TEH HERMAPHRODITE HE HAS TEH PENUS AND TEH VAJINAH!" I was getting sick of whatever the Rock was cooking. But, like you said, I suppose...different tastes. I couldnt agree more about his promos though. Which is why all the Cena promo hate baffled me, because those same people thought that the 1,200 different pie/strudel/anus/monkey's nipple/hermaphrodite jokes were the be all end all of promos. The problem with the Rock's promos was that every funny thing he ever said would be run into the ground after a few weeks and he'd get stale I have a feeling I didn't get this feeling because I never watched much WWE. A Rock promo here and there and each time it was gold. Guess I just wasn't a big enough fan. (Never have watched WWE week after week religiously)
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 10:37:32 GMT -5
I think that the Rock's last heel run (where he squared off with and put over the Hurricane) was excellent, and I will hold that in higher regard than when he was main eventing with Triple H in 2000. Getting to the topic of the thread, I saw that as more of a storyline thing, but I could totally see it being a jab at Angle. I agree there and it was cool that he put over Hurricane like that, but, someone (Triple H?) squashed Helms right afterwards, negating what Rock did. As for his humor, the last time I can remember laughing at anything a FACE Rock said (Yes, I liked his last run as the tattooed Hollywood Rock heel) was an exchange that went a little something like Buh Buh Ray: We are the D-D-D-D- Rock: IT-IT-IT-IT DOESNT MATTER! Simple comedy and no need to reference a strudel or a llama's anus.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Jan 2, 2007 10:42:58 GMT -5
The idea of HBK and HHH putting themselves over as some kind of greats is laughable. Both have had remarkably similar careers in many ways. Both guys rose to the top when business tanked and everyone else vaguely interesting had left.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 2, 2007 10:43:13 GMT -5
I couldnt agree more about his promos though. Which is why all the Cena promo hate baffled me, because those same people thought that the 1,200 different pie/strudel/anus/monkey's nipple/hermaphrodite jokes were the be all end all of promos. Delivery and originality come to play with that, IMO. Archie Bunker was funny. If someone less funny tried to emulate Archie's character, it wouldn't be funny even if that actor were using the exact same lines. That's Cena's problem. He tries to be the Rock, but doesn't have anywhere near the talent or charisma.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 10:49:05 GMT -5
The idea of HBK and HHH putting themselves over as some kind of greats is laughable. Both have had remarkably similar careers in many ways. Both guys rose to the top when business tanked and everyone else vaguely interesting had left. You're kinda off there, IMO. HBK's first runs as champ, in 1996-1998 took place when HBK, HHH, Owen, Bulldog, Bret, Vader, Sid, Taker, Goldust, Kane, and Austin were all in the company in one stage or another. HHH's most recent runs in the 2000's took place amidst guys like Austin, Angle, HBK, Kane, Jericho, Booker, and RVD (We'll just forget the Steiner and Nash feuds) HBK and HHH together as DX (Though, perhaps moreso the HHH/Chyna/X-Pac/NAO incarnation) was only second in popularity to Austin during the Attitude era (Though they'd eventually be eclipsed by Rock) Compare that to the main event scene on RAW right now that features Cena, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Umaga....and then everyone else on a second tier, with an occasional guest appearence by Ric Flair towards the top.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 2, 2007 10:50:17 GMT -5
why are you thinking he was just talking about him?
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 10:51:32 GMT -5
why are you thinking he was just talking about him? Well I dont recall HBK's exact quote, but, I know HBK was a bit miffed when Rock said something along the lines of HBK "not being worth coming back to face", and Rock was supposed to be the next Hogan and lead the company for years to come, and that didn't quite pan out. So it sounded like Rock to me, but it could've been any number of people or no one in particular at all.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Jan 2, 2007 10:59:34 GMT -5
The idea of HBK and HHH putting themselves over as some kind of greats is laughable. Both have had remarkably similar careers in many ways. Both guys rose to the top when business tanked and everyone else vaguely interesting had left. You're kinda off there, IMO. HBK's first runs as champ, in 1996-1998 took place when HBK, HHH, Owen, Bulldog, Bret, Vader, Sid, Taker, Goldust, Kane, and Austin were all in the company in one stage or another. Sorry but I cannot go along with this. As soon as Austin rose to the top HBK soon left. HHH was really a nobody until he went single post 1998 and everyone else on that list other than Taker the mainstream audience by and large couldn't give crap about. So considering that HBK didnt stick around much when Austin took off, the only two guys he had to compete with were Bret and Taker and with the greatest of respect to both men, neither commanded great mainstream recognition. HHH's most recent runs in the 2000's took place amidst guys like Austin, Angle, HBK, Kane, Jericho, Booker, and RVD (We'll just forget the Steiner and Nash feuds) Compare that to the main event scene on RAW right now that features Cena, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Umaga....and then everyone else on a second tier, with an occasional guest appearence by Ric Flair towards the top. True to an extent but look at everyone else who during their time in WWE in recent years were ahead of HHH in the eyes of both the company and the fans. Lesnar, Austin, Rock, Hogan - that's just since 2002. Fact is that HHH has only really been in a position to be 10 time World Champ because he's not really had a competitive environment to work in. If anyone thinks Edge, Umaga, Orton and RVD comes close to even being considered as genuine main event competitors then they're very much mistaken.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 2, 2007 10:59:39 GMT -5
HBK's first runs as champ, in 1996-1998 took place when HBK, HHH, Owen, Bulldog, Bret, Vader, Sid, Taker, Goldust, Kane, and Austin were all in the company in one stage or another. In 1996, business was way down for the WWF. Michaels wasn't champion in 1997 after losing his smile until the end of the year, and he was only a placeholder to drop the belt to Austin (who by that point was the focal point of the company). Michaels left when the "Austin Era" began, and only came back when the down period was beginning. Michaels either has really bad timing, or he's not a draw. I'll go with the latter. While HHH was champion in 2000, the company was marketed around the Rock. When the Rock and Austin left, it exposed HHH as the complementary player that he was, because no one really cared about him as the top heel who destroyed everyone. It's not unreasonable to suggest HHH and Michaels were simply guys who were pushed to the moon in down periods, and not guys who deserve any "legend" label.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Jan 2, 2007 11:04:33 GMT -5
Yes, HHH and HBK only managed to succeed in their illustrious careers at a time when business had tanked.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 11:05:12 GMT -5
Eh, I have no problem seeing Edge as a main eventer...or, should I say HAD no problem. He's done NOTHING to interest me whatsoever since Lita retired and he got Orton for his new b***h.
And Cousin Judge, when you say Hogan was seen "ahead of HHH" in the fans eyes in 2002....well, HHH jobbed the title to him! I'm not saying this about you directly, but, damn, anything HHH has done since 2000 is a total "damned if he did, damnded if he didnt" scenario in the eyes of so many people
Also I dont think HBK "has bad timing", I think his body was seriously jacked up and he needed time to rest, plain and simple.
Finally, a lot of people seem to equate the champion with drawing power. I disagree, as at times, the man chasing the title (Austin or HBK especially) interests me more than the man WITH the title (At the time, Bret or Undertaker)
And if Hillbilly Jim and JYD are "Legends", HBK and HHH damn sure will be too.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 2, 2007 12:08:24 GMT -5
Didn't Rock flat-out insult Michaels in some interview a while back?
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